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Posted on 09/13/2005 9:12:31 AM PDT by joan
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Yeah, it's all me Tom.
The Balkans is awash in SA-7s and its derivatives, and has been ever since Yugoslavia dissolved. To this day, NATO is scarfing them up for destruction in Bosnia, and Macedonia, but with Albania's pre '97 stocks still unaccounted for, the work is going to take awhile.
But if you want to buy into in this MANPADS version of Bigfoot sightings, with its typical Serbian logical inconsistency, well who am I to stop you?
If you choose to believe that the Taleban doesn't have any use for Stingers now that Afghanistan's skies are filled with US planes and helicopters, and instead chooses to smuggle any remaining stocks thousands of miles into an area overstocked with similar systems, well it just fits the type of information you've chosen to belive in the past, doesn't it?
If you can pull one confirmed instance where a Stinger has been found in the Balkans, then you're a better man than I, Tom.
But as it stands right now, it's all just so much disinformation and half-assed reporting which misrepresents any SAM as a "Stinger", as if it were a generic category all its own.
I'll see your stupid with a Presevo Valley, and raise you a Sandzak and a Vojvodina, just 'cause I can.
Still don't speak any of the Balkan languages. Sorry.
Bosnia, thanks to its high-level infrastructure, organized government, and European connections, is able to offer jihadists the most for their money. But Albania, and Kosovo, thanks to their criminality, dis-organization, and purposeful chaos, offer the jihadists a very effective hide-out on Europe's doorstep. Although it is unfashionable to say so, Islam entails support for any Muslim's jihad, whether it be the "quest for inner peace and wisdom," or the conversion, enslavement, or death for infidels. "Moderate," Islam is merely an enabling mechanism for radical Islam.
You're funny. Can you come up with even a half-decent response, though?
You are absolutely wrong. However, I can give you the benefit of the doubt, as the stingers reported from the Kosovo sources could very well be isolated to the incidents reported in 2002. I can't answer for Bosnia, but for Kosovo I'm 100% sure because I did a personal interview with the specialist that interviewed the Albanians what did have the information. The information was confirmed via a lie detector test and it was reported in a Camp Bondsteel security meeting, Unclassed. I'm not even going to discuss it further because you more than likely wouldn't even know about it.
This has nothing to do with Serbian bigfoot sightings as you would take the dramatic approach to lie and admit you aren't aware. You are posting, not for my benefit, but to promote the MSM BS for other readers and give some doubt to the truth. The Stingers were going to be used against NATO, UN targets by the Albanian or Muh. located there. They were not given the opportunity as I don't know how the situation was handled after confirmed by KFOR.
Hoplite, it is all you......you tend to leave out key facts or data in order to make your point. This is a typical "Clintonian" trend...of lying. You also don't make comment on points or facts that go against your point, you don't comment unless you can find some twist after you confer with others about points you can't make at the moment. You're easy to handle.......must be frustrating to always call on those smarter and more knowledgable than you to give you talking points no matter how weak.
By the way, the collection of weapons by the Macedonians, I have eyewitness reports that several OSCE/UN inspectors had observed the same weapons in more than one stack. They had old chinese weapons in some cases, and it was discovered that the serial numbers of the weapons in one stack matched the same weapons in another alledged stack of weapons after they had suspicions.
The collection of 2,000-3,000 weapons didn't even scratch the surface. Most of the weapons were old and poorly maintained pieces. The "real" weapons were never touched. The whole turn in was a farce.........same for the UCPMB in South Presevo.
The war isn't over.....it will break out again if Kosovo gets independence as Ceku will be a signficant instigator and planner for South Presevo (referred to as East Kosovo), Western Macedonia, Volvidina and Sandjak to name a few of the after effects.....this is for sure.
ANYBODY CLINTON BACKS I HATE! Why, because if clinton and his sorry wife like them they have to be like him and his ugly wife... they have to be devils!!
What do you expect from a relative of Clark???
You absolutely hit that nail on the head more than anyone I have heard in just a few sentences. What you wrote is not from a slighted view...it is from FACT......without debate or any counter. thank you.........
Are these idiots still arguing these points? They have absolutely no grounds or standing points to argue these issues. It's all hearsay.....and rumor. The book the Dept of State put out was based only on reports from displaced Albanians. They were threatened, cajoled, and forced to give out false info. This is confirmed.....not rumor....
'Nuff said. Your word on the matter means nothing Tom.
What are you talking about? Of course I have references.....I will have to search for the Bondsteel Security Meeting Report and my personal notes on the interview I had with the examiner.
Also, I don't have to prove anything to you because you are either a coward for avoiding Holbrookes speech, the proof already presented on the various issues....you seem to avoid the issues that are laid before you. You look for holes and whatever points you can twist into a negative. You avoid the facts and the positives. Actually, I don't even post to you as it makes no difference either way.
You are inept and very deceptive about your answers and your questions. If I didn't know better I would think that you were one of those geeky type of lawyers. Remember, even hell hates a rubber backbone....rubber smells bad burning......:))
When you can drop the attitude, come up with facts, I'll gladly agree or acknowledge that you are correct and I learn something. Also you do the same, otherwise, keep up the attitude and you become a poster of little signficance.
Ah. We're back to your inability to understand simple written English, I see.
When you can drop the attitude, come up with facts
Facts that prove that no Afghan Stingers wound up in the Balkans?
Prove a negative, Tom?
Yer just too damned smart for me - I can't.
Nobody can, as a matter of fact, as what you're looking for is what's called a logical fallacy.
Don't you worry yourself over it, though. I sure ain't.
And you can keep your references unless their available on a public website, like NATO's or UNMIK's. Your word, on its own, carries no weight whatsoever.
"Ah. We're back to your inability to understand simple written English, I see."
***** No, let me explain to you since you don't understand. I am asking the question in an exclamatory manner to express my "inability" to comprehend your disjointed and inept comments. All your comments to me as well as other posters, (except for your fellow Vikings...:))) are only designed to deceive and provoke the reader. As I said before, I've been told about your ramblings and need to "brag" about how you have gotten this poster or that poster, banned. It's like you never grew out of your high school maturity level. It's really embarrassing to even respond to you on this level. But, its the only level you are capable of dealing with.
Apparently many journalist and writers that have quoted me and have personally seen my references, documentations and confirmed all my assertions think differently. So, you are speaking for yourself, which in fact has proven to be deceptive. One small example was the claim that Serbs murdered American citizens. Well, technically maybe, but you failed to mention that they were Albanians that joined the KLA and were considered combatants. Even though the executions require investigations and as of two weeks ago has been brought to the surface for an investigation. You leave out key information, you hid until you can find one assertion that you can twist and respond with that juvenile attitude that you have.
So, I can provide evidence of my credibility if you want to read the articles again, how about you? Going into hiding again? Or, are you smiling with that stupid look of yours as you attempt to provoke another poster. :) hmmmmmmm?
Go back to your drawing board and come back again. If I have time I will play if not, I'll ignore.....simple.
What I do see is more of you running off at the mouth, which you're wont to do when you can't back up your claims with anything other than your own worthless word.
Falling asleep at the wheel are you. So, let me guess, you went back to those you know are more knowledgeable than you, and received counseling concerning the Stinger issue. The other issue.....:)) was the trumped up mass graves, built with lies that you were using to provoke. Now, it's the stinger missile issue.
Besides the personal interviews giving me first hand knowledge and the actual U.S. KFOR reports at a security meeting....here is the following.......
Hoplite, I hope you are only trying to provoke me....you can't actually be this stupid. So, I'm going to assume that you just being a child or trying to intimidate, etc......If you were actually working intell. no wonder we keep making mistakes in the Balkans. I'm sure if you were a cook you could remember how to "cook".....so don't quit your day job.........:)) :))
Thanks - Billy !!
Was that a "Blue Dress War" or was that prior to the "blue dress?"
As to Macedonian pilots being able to discern various types of passively homing shoulder launched SAMs, don't be such a chump.
I sort of thought reading and understanding English was a bit of a challenge......let...me....speak.....more.....slowly.....
Nevermind, no use wasting my time. If you don't have the skills speaking slowly won't do you a bit of good.
but, even you can probably understand this language if spoken in one syllable words. All you have to do is touch the great white with the cursor, for each syllable. When you get good at it..touch it faster and then faster to make full sentences. English for Hoplites...
Just recycled Balkan BS.
Lemme know when you actually find that Serbian Bigfoot, aka a Stinger from Afghanistan.
I have plenty, son. Recycled Balkan BS? It's called history, corrobating evidence, with first hand experience, due to my personal interview with the actual tech who administered the lie detector test of actual Albanian terrorist, plus the other points I made.
You must have some real personal issues. I'm sorry to hear about it. For recycled BS it's very substantial. You on the other hand, have nothing and I'm at a loss as to you're true intentions. It's actually very interesting. I must be hitting on target otherwise you wouldn't be so persistent. In any case, Hoplite, you can in no way win a debate or banter against me. One, you aren't smart enough, two; you have no facts. If you come up with facts, change your attitude, I have no problem admitting a mistake or inaccurate assertion with the introduction of facts to the discussion. In your case, it's more of an agenda, ego, or God forbid, actual ignorance.
So, are you getting better at learning the language of the Great White? Take it slowly at first, then you might catch on......
I think you are Muslim.....a convert....it all makes sense now...for sure.
Therin lies the problem, Tom.
The threshold of proof for someone who's punked himself out to the Serbs is substantially lower than for someone who hasn't.
These idiots, no matter what you say will not debate with any solid facts. They are here to distort the truth for one reason or another. Impossible to take seriously.
Col. Andrei Demurenko, who was an artillery specialist, conducted an investigation on his own of the Sarjevo blast of August 28.....Quote from UN findings, "It is extremely rare for a U.N. Officer, particularly one of Colonel Demurenko's rank, to publicly disagree on an issue of such importance.....(He) said his own technical analysis had shown that a 120 mm mortar bomb could not have come from Bosnian Serbian positions."
Further, The longer Reuters report, a UN spokesman said that Demurenko's findings were among several reports that were contradictory to the first UN conclusions. and were submitted to the UN in NY.
Another interesting point that there has never been any acknowledgment by the Los Angeles Times on April 28, 1994 of the 3,000 Muslims dead or injured from Serbs. Their sources came from Bosnian Muslims who were ham radio operators. Most of the evacuees from Gorazde were men and soldiers with injuries during attacks against the Serb mil. positions. and ......Serb citizens...for starters....
You have punked yourself out to the Muslims....haven't you ole boy. I have tried to be neutral, but due to the lies it's hard. Arkan did his crap, the paramilitaries murdered Muslims and are being investigated.....more than I can say about the UN, ICTY and the Hague....that has been completely incompetent.
But, like you told your co-hort, you need encouragement when you spout off irrational statements, then the Bast&*#ds wouldn't grind you down....speak the truth and you would have to use a convoluted latin term....
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum, which is not a good latin term....did you know that?
Just keep pushing that bar as low as you need to keep getting over it.
It's called the Limbo or whatever, for yours....:), you couldn't even scoot an index card between it and the floor yours is so low......:)))
You're fun, Hoplite......
Now, when you find the facts that actually state Missiles did not come from Afgh. we'll talk. The burden is on you, otherwise we communicate with this time wasting bantering, of useless posts........
Which missiles? The ones you still have yet to show are in the Balkans?
Oh, those missiles.
Yeah, gonna have a problem there, Tom.
Cripes, even an everyday high jumping analogy is beyond you - but you've managed to blunder into something pertinent: this debate is in Limbo until you get someone to explain the basic elements of Logic to you.
Hopeless, you aren't following your own advice. I've given you logic, and in following the basic routine, you use weak verbal attacks, characteric of someone without an argument or any basic facts. Look at your posts. Not one single shread of argument or fact to work from. Your only argument is to counter my evidence, with empty verbage. Amazing that you don't see it. It's really sad.......
It's not possible for us to push the bar low enough for you to reach it, pancake-boy.
The United States for many reasons, most of them bad, has clearly chosen to be on the side of the Muslim Bosnians and Albanians ... and even worse ... we took NATO with us.
The Saudis bankrolled a massive PR Campaign, run by Ruder and Finn, to convince the world ... especially us...that the Muslims were the victims, even as they continue to rape, burn monasteries and churches to the ground, desecrate christian burial grounds, and terrorize ALL non-Muslim inhabitants in the territories they control, especially Kosovo. But the truth will, eventually, out. Bosnia, and their historic hitmen in the cause of Turkey and Islam, the Albanians, are major factor in world terrorism.
World press reports aside, the Serbs have suffered the most in this tragedy, being overun with refugees from Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo. These people whose story is untold, and will probably always remain so, are survivors of brutal massacres and campaigns of murderous persecution. The Serbs have lost Kosovo. They were brutally bombed, losing the best infrastructure in the whole region, and while suffering few military casualties, suffered the loss of civilian lives at the hands of a frustrated NATO.
The trouble is that the side that is unquestionably more morally worthy, even if not by much, i.e., The Serbs, always rightly claim that keeping the European Muslims under control is a dirty job. No excuse. They did it in a dirty way, and they got caught by hypocrites.
That Ruder and Finn's masterly campaign of disinformation actually worked is easily enough proven. The Albanians and Bosnians are no dummies ... just like Arafat used to do ... they have one line for the Muslim world and another for the gullible left-wing press of europe and the US.
The Bosnians especially are smart enough to run a two-track government ... one all pious protestation ... the other a down and dirty jihad support unit.
Our problem: There are surely no angels in the Balkans. But the Bosnians and their feral hitmen, the Albanians, are sure enough devils.
My, you didn't tell me that in January 2002 you knew about the missiles. You tend to leave out key information. Also, Destro told me to tell you hi...:)
"One Arabic language article describes how in 1999 bin Laden received Russian anti-aircraft rockets from Bulgaria and how the rockets were smuggled through Pakistan with the help from 'Albanian separatists who are fighting in southern Serbia'."
The Bosnians were the brains of the Turkish outfit, the feral Albanians, many of whom also turned apostate, were (those that didn't flee) did the dirty work among the South Slavs.
Guess some things never change. I guess the Turks have their own version of Aztlán, planning on a Muslim reconquest of Balkan Europe.
Learn how to read, Tom.
uh, hmmmmmm? let's see, this is 2005. So, 2002 is before 2005. We discussed the missiles in 2005 and you discussed the missiles in 2002 with others, yet you didn't mention that this was also brought up then, and confirmed once again in 2005. So, is this clear as mud for you....:)))
You must have gotten paid more back then, since you wrote more. Did the DOS or Imams whoever, stop paying you what you're worth.......so, now I get only a few words.....I feel cheated.
Like I said, Tom: Learn how to read.
Well, I did...and most all of your posts were completely wrong and off track. You have not hit one accurate premise or trend yet. It's very frustrating to read your posts, and realize that what you read is useless......
I assume that you are serious. You need to "bone up" on the strategy that the U.S. and UK is using to move the FRY into the New World Order.
The Islamic Fundies moved Stingers to the Balkans in order to deal with the Serbians and later the UN/'KFOR forces.
Yes, they are old, but their means of resistance has always been that way.....
"probably be useless today"????? You really want to measure this threat with a probably?? I don't think so.....
No, they are now focusing on the U.S. and the Balkans to organize another "French riots"........Most of you people do not understand the true agenda of Islamic doctrine.
The stingers were shipped to the immediate threat.....the Balkans in 1999-2004.....they never got the opportunity to use them. The stingers will be more of use in the Balkans when the Jihad makes the lame excuses for more riots........
The stingers were not useless when they were smuggled. Given the life expectancy of a stinger, let's forget the long term..focus on the immediate...
The Jihad will be soon and ready for war.....
They would ship stingers and helo's in order to Macedonia to deal with the NLA......
No, they are keeping a low profile due to using the Balkans as a planning locale. Also, the stingers were discovered by KFOR using a lie detector test on Albanian terrorist.
They didn't use the stingers against the Serbs because they didn't need to. U.S. and NATO forces did the job for them. They were going to use the stingers against NATO forces for future ops........The problem for them is that Islam is not catching hold in the Balkans yet.....Imams build their power base first......They don't have the power base established in the Balkans. That is the reason there weren't any riots. Glad you brought that up. If there was a power base, then the riots would of happened.
They are not even close to establishing the same power base they have in Denmark, and other European countries.
I lost my train of thought for that post.....The stingers would of been used against Serbian forces early on. However, the stingers brought in later on that we were told about were being stored for possible use against NATO forces...but it never happened. The reason, I can only surmise that they were discovered due to the investigations........or, as I said before the support base in the Balkans is not sufficient yet to support terrorist operations. There is also a curious relationship between U.S. and NATO intell. with the Islamist in the Balkans. NATO was working with them from the beginning...........
Then what other excuse, besides gross intellectual incompetence, can I possibly owe the pleasure of your referencing me back to that thread to?
Seriously - what was the reason for post #85 and saying that I "knew about the missiles" when a cursory review of the referenced thread shows it's about missiles going from the Balkans to Afghanistan, which is exactly what I was talking about in post #47?