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To: ma bell
Please quote me when I said the war was "entirely the Serbs fault." I've said no such thing. I do claim, however, that the Serbs own deplorable conduct in the war was what ultimately lost them world sympathy and understanding, and I find it both ammusing and sad that some Serbs still don't understand this. Oh well, not my problem.

The decision was made by the muslims of bih to delay their hard push til after croatia made their move.

After seeing what the JNA did in Croatia, the Muslims actually pressured the Germans NOT to recognize BiH independence knowing full well what it would probably bring.

PR? The Muslims needed no "orchestration" on that front. The Serbs did more than enough for them.

20 posted on 09/15/2005 2:23:19 PM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: johnnyBbad
the commanders of the JNA were non-Serbs, fact. Need a list?

The muslims knew how to play the game and knew how to use PR. Majority of the "muslim dead" were Serbs and was orchestrated to be seen as "butchered muslims", but were in fact "butchered Serbs".

One of Burns's first stories after his arrival back in Sarajevo in July 1993 contained a reference to the infamous "bread line massacre" of the previous year, which Bosnian Muslims used to pressure the U.N. Security Council as it prepared to vote for sanctions against Serbia. A year after some U.N. official acknowledged that Muslims, not Bosnian Serbs, had set off explosive that killed 22 civilians outside a Sarajevo bakery. Burns and the "Times" still reported the claim that a Serb mortar had caused the tragedy. Ironically, that same July 5 story by Burns focused on Bosnian paramilitary police in Sarajevo who were firing mortars on nearby Bosnian army units. Repeated attempts to interview Burns, who returned briefly to Toronto last June, were unsuccessful.

There have also been questions about Roy Gutman's Pulitzer-winning scoops in August 1992 about two Serb-run "death camps." Gutman constructed his accounts, to his credit, admittedly so, from alleged survivors of Manjaca and Trnopolje. But as one British journalist, Joan Phillips, has pointed out: "The death camp stories are very thinly sourced. They are based on the very few accounts from hearsay. They are given the stamp of authority by speculation and surmise from officials. Gutman is not guilty of lying. He did not try to hide the fact that his stories were thinly sourced." But it is also true, as Phillips noted, that Gutman's disclaimers were placed near the end of the article. Yet those stories were the principal basis for the world's belief that the Serbs were not simply holding Muslim prisoners but were operating death camps in Bosnia. Phillips also drew attention to Gutman's visit in September 1992 to the scene of a massacre of 17 Serbs near Banja Luka, which went unreported until December 13, three months later. Gutman could not be contacted and "Newsday" editors would not explain the lapse in publication. Gutman did discuss his reporting later on: in an interview in the July 1993 "American Journalism Review," he explained that he had abandoned strict objectivity in his coverage in order to pressure governments to act.

The entire media response to the issue of atrocities against Serbs raises a troubling question: why did the press show such minimal interests in Serb claim of death camps housing their own people? Documents submitted to the European parliament and U.N. by Bosnian Serbs have included horrible claims:


21 posted on 09/15/2005 2:59:03 PM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: johnnyBbad
The Serb were made out to be the bad guys for hitting Gorazde in April 94. Intel came that the muslims were planning on dropping chlorine into the water treatment/tower that supplied the entire region/districts.

If that was accomplished, many ppl on all sides would have been dead or gravely ill. the bosnian serbs made preemptive strike to disable the water tower/center. once they gained control of that tower area, they moved out of town. but, they never relinquished the control of it. the muslims knew and then were told by Gen Rose if they (muslms) made any attempt to sabotage the tower, he'd allow the Serbs to have Gorazde. It had nothing to do with "mladic backing down"..that was all public posturing. The muslms knew if that was legitimized by Gen Rose to the press, serious black eye for the muslims.

Seseljs boys were the ones who took control of the tower and the town center. Funny thing, they opened up a corridor for the injured muslm civlians to be evacuated to safety. The muslim civilians were being held hostage by the muslm army. STrange it took "Seseljs figthers" to free them from terror and into the safety of the Serbs.

23 posted on 09/15/2005 3:09:47 PM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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