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To: Hoplite

If you bothered to read your own links you would find that number of occurrences for Kiseljak is exactly zero. Kiseljak is place where “U.S. diplomat was wounded as she returned to the capital” in July of 1996.

Investigation mentioned in State Department briefing took place but results were not made public. But those results were leaked to some Italian and German newspapers, and those results are as I said: Stinger and Croat-Muslim forces.

Can you tell me what is exactly in “religion of peace” that makes you people so shamelessly invent things?

"Unfortunately, the presidency of Bosnia-Herzegovina and the Bosnian army headquarters were directly involved in this act," he said. "The Srebrenica enclave ... was deliberately sacrificed."

41 posted on 09/18/2005 8:09:35 PM PDT by zagor-te-nej (
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To: zagor-te-nej
And if you bothered to pull out a map, and had the most basic knowledge of the seige of Sarajevo, you'd see that Kiseljak is not only physically located approximately where 'Lyra 34' was shot down, it was the location of the local Croat military HQ (Ivica Rajic's 2d Operative Group, HVO OZCB*), and figured prominently in stories of profiteering off of the seige of Sarajevo at the time**.

But you can't pull out a map, and you don't know anything relevant, so instead you're repeating your unsubstantiated lie, as if your mere word carried more weight than the Italian Defence Ministry.

What a pathetic display.

Then you have the temerity to accuse me of being Muslim, as if that lie would somehow save your sorry butt, and turn around and declare that I'm the one who's lying, when the facts presented clearly demonstrate the reverse.

Black is white, up is down, and you've got the integrity required to carry on an honest discussion.


*Shraeder, "The Muslim-Croat Civil War in Central Bosnia" Appendix A, HVO Operative Zone Central Bosnia Order of Battle

** Maas, "Love Thy Neighbor" pp 118-119, also, Silber & Little, "Yugoslavia, Death of a Nation", pp 295-296, or, you could have simply paid attention to the news at the time.

42 posted on 09/19/2005 12:17:32 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: zagor-te-nej; ma bell

These idiots, no matter what you say will not debate with any solid facts. They are here to distort the truth for one reason or another. Impossible to take seriously.

Col. Andrei Demurenko, who was an artillery specialist, conducted an investigation on his own of the Sarjevo blast of August 28.....Quote from UN findings, "It is extremely rare for a U.N. Officer, particularly one of Colonel Demurenko's rank, to publicly disagree on an issue of such importance.....(He) said his own technical analysis had shown that a 120 mm mortar bomb could not have come from Bosnian Serbian positions."

Further, The longer Reuters report, a UN spokesman said that Demurenko's findings were among several reports that were contradictory to the first UN conclusions. and were submitted to the UN in NY.

Another interesting point that there has never been any acknowledgment by the Los Angeles Times on April 28, 1994 of the 3,000 Muslims dead or injured from Serbs. Their sources came from Bosnian Muslims who were ham radio operators. Most of the evacuees from Gorazde were men and soldiers with injuries during attacks against the Serb mil. positions. and ......Serb citizens...for starters....

75 posted on 03/07/2006 7:28:44 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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