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An Open Letter to Senators Pete Domenici (R) & Jeff Bingaman(D)
September 14, 2005 | BOBTHENAILER

Posted on 09/14/2005 7:08:04 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER

Dear Senator,

This letter is written in extreme opposition to the recently proposed regulations by the New Mexico Oil Conservation Division. A little historical background is needed to prove this opposition is correct. The background follows:

The current Energy Crisis facing all Americans has roots going back at least 30 years (lack of newly built refineries), but this letter will dwell mainly on recent events, regulations, court cases, lack of legislative fortitude, and most particularly the apparent merging of philosophies between extreme environmental mega-organizations such as the Sierra Club & Natural Resources Defense council, et al and State and Federal Regulatory bodies governing oil and gas development, coal mining, natural parks and forests and wetlands. This letter will show the disastrous consequences of that philosophical merging of environmental policy with State and Federal regulatory bodies.

Everybody knows that there has been no new refinery construction for 30 years, thus the current shortage of refined gasoline. Primary among detrimental factors leading to no new construction are the myriad State and Federal regulations regarding same in addition to hand in glove environmental opposition. We reap what we sow.

During the Clinton Administration over 6 million acres of Federal lands were placed off limits to road construction, logging, thinning, brush clearing, mining and oil and gas activity. Tragically, since the year 2000 over 8 million acres have been completely devastated by fire (mostly the 6 million set aside) in Washington, Oregon, Montana, Utah, Colorado, California, Wyoming and New Mexico. Over 100 lives were lost, hundreds of homes, phenomenal amounts of varied wildlife species, not to mention the habitats of such sacred cows as the Spotted Owl, red-legged frog, lynx, cougar, and numerous endangered fish when their streams were fowled with the resulting erosional run-off. We reap what we sow.

The Grand Escalante Staircase National Monument around Kanab Utah was created by surprise Executive Order in 1996 by President Clinton. Located within the borders of the Monument is one of the nations largest untapped reserves of low sulfur coal valued by Utah geologists in 1997 at about $300 billion. When it comes to clean-burning properties, that coal is rivaled only by mines found in Indonesia. This move was shocking enough that it caused several local Sierra Club members and BLM officials to resign and join local grass roots resistance organizations. Not only coal mining was lost, but road access, logging and other mineral extraction. It is estimated that the coal under the monument would provide power to several western states for many years. We reap what we sow.

The Powder River Basin in Wyoming and Montana is estimated to contain enough coal bed methane natural gas to supply California’s needs for 25 years. While Wyoming’s regulatory oil and gas bodies have done a credible job, but not without a huge fight against environmentalists in allowing thousands of wells to be drilled, the other half of the Basin in Montana contains only about 150 wells. The rest of the development in Montana has been blocked by Environmental Lawsuits filed by the usual suspects included the fully funded local subsidiaries “Grass roots” organizations with typical names like “Friends of the Montana Range Lands” or similar folksy names. California will reap what Montana sows. Remember California natural gas prices in the winter of 2000?

In the 1970’s the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Lake Pontchartrain and Vicinity Hurricane Barrier Project planned to build fortifications and floodgates at two strategic locations, which would keep massive storms in the Gulf of Mexico from causing Lake Pontchartrain to flood the city. “The floodgates would have blocked the flow of water from the Gulf, through Lake Borgne, through the Rigolets (and Chet Mentuer) into Lake Pontchartrain, “declared Professor Gregory Stone, the James P. Morgan distinguished Professor and Director of the Coastal Studies Institute of Louisiana State University. “This likely would have stopped the storm surge coming from the Gulf into Lake Pontchartrain,” Professor Stone said during an interview September 6. The professor concluded, “These floodgates would have alleviated the flooding of New Orleans caused by Katrina. They were designed to withstand a Category 5 hurricane. Needless to say, those plans were abandoned after environmental advocates successfully sued to have it stopped. Specifically, in 1977, a state environmentalist group known as Save Our Wetlands sued to have it stopped. This effort at protection continued for a number of times in the ensuing years, as recently as 2004, and every time was opposed by environmentalists. Perhaps if the floodgates had been constructed the following refineries flooded out would still be producing gasoline: Valero in Norco, LA (225,000 bbl./day), Murphy Oil in Meraux, LA (120,000 bbl./day), Exxon Mobil in Chalmette, LA (183,000 bbl/day), Conoco Phillips in Belle Chase, LA (255,000 bbl/day), Marathon in Garyville, LA (245,000 bbl/day), Chevron in Pascagoula, Mississippi (325,000 bbl/day) for a total down of 1,605,000 barrels gasoline, jet fuel and related products per day. While not all of the refineries listed are down because of flooding, it graphically points out the necessity of building more refineries at locations scattered throughout the US in order to avoid a disastrous destruction of refining capacity due to being geographically clustered. If anyone thinks Al Qaeda didn’t notice this severe disruption, they are crazy. No more environmental opposition or NIMBY attitude needed when it comes to new refinery construction. It is vital both economically and strategically to protect our economy from natural disasters and terrorist attacks.

All of the above brings me to the State of New Mexico, it’s attitude toward oil and gas and its newly proposed regulations.

The controversy of the “pristine” Otero Mesa Grasslands first comes to mind. The environmental opposition is astonishing, given the character of the terrain. The restricted drilling being proposed will not cause irreparable damage and if estimates of reserves are even half true, it is energy we sorely need now. I find it interesting that several environmental articles I have read said we don’t need the gas in Otero. Fine, let’s take Senator Bingaman’s deep desire and that of the environmentalists and install 400’ wind turbines throughout the windy Otero Mesa. It would provide “free energy”, jobs to locals who could collect the raptor and migratory bird carcasses and the “footprint” would surely be no greater than a five foot high gas well head. A little humorous digression, I apologize. The bottom line is this, when our nation needs energy most, the Federal, State and Environmental organizations seem to march in lock step to impede industry’s efforts to get it.

I wonder where all the enviros were when noted environmentalist Ted Turner renegotiated his lease with Shell to further develop his beautiful Vermejo Park Ranch. Turner’s Vermejo Park Ranch, about ¾ of the size of Rhode Island, is rich with billions of dollars in coal and methane reserves. Natural gas prices have more than quadrupled in the past two years making Turner’s land a richer gold mine than his media holdings once were. Turner recently signed a deal to double the number of gas wells on his scenic wilderness to 1060. The agreement doubles his royalty to 6.5% with El Paso, who owns the mineral rights. Elsewhere in the Raton Basin, opposition to drilling comes from conservation groups such as the “Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership (TRCP)”, who, by the way, gets major funding from the Ted Turner Foundation. It’s leader, conservation lawyer Jim Range, doesn’t see a conflict because he says Turner runs his drilling operations in a clean ecologically sound manner. Gee, here I thought El Paso was the Operator. “It’s a model of the way exploration should be done,” Range says.

Okay, if that’s the case, why not Otero Mesa, coal bed methane in Montana, coal extraction from Grand Escalante, numerous other contested area’s, but especially ANWR!!! 1060 wells at approximately 1 acre per pad, not counting roads and pipelines. Is exactly ½ of the proposed drilling area of ANWR for 1/1000 of the amount of product. Who says money can’t buy love.

This last section will deal with my major point of this letter. Currently, there are numerous regulations changes and additions to New Mexico OCD regulations. After reading the new proposals I can only conclude that New Mexico OCD is following the lead of the Michigan sister organization (DNR) where I live. I’ve been involved in the Northern Michigan Antrim Shale play for well over 15 years. New rules and regulations, similar to those proposed in New Mexico have done the following: a. increased the average cost of completed Antrim well from $175,000 to $250,000 plus, b. slowed down the permitting process from a mandatory 30 days to up to 180 days currently, c. slowed down the ability to quickly get fields online, all of which is extremely detrimental to consumers.

For you Otero Mesa paranoids, you can drive from Traverse City to Alpena, right through the heart of the Antrim fairway (lake to lake) and see no more than 10 wells of 8000 plus and 2 or 3 Central Production facilities of hundreds. Those 8000 wells have been developed as environmentally good as Ted Turner would.

The idea that in the days of $65 crude oil, $10-12 per mcf natural gas, gasoline at or above $3.00 per gallon, that more onerous regulations are needed is ludicrous. It reminds me of Zimbabwe turning away 7 million tons of US grain because European pressure due to the grain being hybrid bio-engineered. That makes a lot of sense, starve millions of your people over a bogus environmental principle.

I implore the members of the New Mexico OCD, New Mexico government officials who can affect these changes, New Mexico Representatives and Senators, both State and Federal and citizens of New Mexico, not to throw gasoline on an Energy Crisis Fire, by enacting these new regulations. The current regulations in effect today are more than sufficient to solve all the problems that may occur during normal drilling and completions operations. Any problems occurring outside the normal regs are no more than unintentional human error which no amount of regulations would stop from occurring.

It should be noted that I have only used a fraction of examples of the hurdles my industry faces. When voting time comes, look at your gas bills, look at your home heating bills and watch for the rise in price in all petroleum by-products (too numerous to mention here), then elect those who will help the oil and gas industry to correct the coming storm. By the way, wind and solar will not.

Very truly yours,

BOBTHENAILER


TOPICS: US: New Mexico; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2long2beworthwhile; allisvanity; alqueda; bobthewailer; energy; energycrisis; environmentalism; forrestry; itsforestnotforrest; katrina; knowwherechatis; myopinionsarenews; oil
This letter was sent to Senators Domenici and Bingaman, in an attempt to forestall proposed onerous regulations (as usual) which adversely effect every attempt at pursuing a normal sane and rational energy extraction policy.

Couldn't resist the environmentalism aspect of forrest/Clinton/devestation.

1 posted on 09/14/2005 7:08:10 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: BOBTHENAILER; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; PhilDragoo; Tijeras_Slim; Carry_Okie; newgeezer; ...

Having some fun with the bureaucRATS.


2 posted on 09/14/2005 7:27:51 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; newgeezer
The current Energy Crisis facing all Americans

I didn't know there was an energy crisis. Maybe your letter would have more impact if you started out in the realm of reality.

3 posted on 09/14/2005 7:33:59 AM PDT by biblewonk (Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?)
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To: biblewonk; BOBTHENAILER
"By the way, wind and solar will not."

Read the bottom line, windy wonk!!! Ha Ha Ha!!!

4 posted on 09/14/2005 7:52:07 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: biblewonk
Sure, some people's livelihoods desperately need wind power to fail.

Crisis? No problem. Gas-fired power plants to the rescue!</sarc>

5 posted on 09/14/2005 7:59:17 AM PDT by newgeezer ("To protect and to serve.")
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To: BOBTHENAILER
"Couldn't resist the environmentalism aspect of forrest/Clinton/devestation."

Forest Clinton? Is he related to Forest Gump? I'll bet he is!!!

Melanie Morgan on KSFO radio in SFO has taken to calling the minions who hang with Cindi Sheehan, the "Mother Gumpers!"

Everytime I hear that, or the Windy/Solar or other so-called "alternative energy" croud trying to make moral equivalents with nuclear, gas or oil... I just break into the biggest cat eating glue grin you ever saw!!!

6 posted on 09/14/2005 8:00:03 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; SierraWasp; Salvation; dixiechick2000; SAMWolf; blackie

Great letter. You should post that on your homepage.

We remember the fires in Oregon a few years ago. The fires that were set up by insane elite Watermelon enviralists with their road closures and refusal to allow brush and dead trees to be cleared. Bob, thanks for this clear chunk of data:

"During the Clinton Administration over 6 million acres of Federal lands were placed off limits to road construction, logging, thinning, brush clearing, mining and oil and gas activity. Tragically, since the year 2000 over 8 million acres have been completely devastated by fire (mostly the 6 million set aside) in Washington, Oregon, Montana, Utah, Colorado, California, Wyoming and New Mexico. Over 100 lives were lost, hundreds of homes, phenomenal amounts of varied wildlife species, not to mention the habitats of such sacred cows as the Spotted Owl, red-legged frog, lynx, cougar, and numerous endangered fish when their streams were fowled with the resulting erosional run-off. We reap what we sow."


7 posted on 09/14/2005 8:04:33 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: biblewonk; SierraWasp; Grampa Dave
I didn't know there was an energy crisis. Maybe your letter would have more impact if you started out in the realm of reality.

Read the prices on a daily basis and weep you friggin' idiot.

http://quotes.ino.com/exchanges/?e=NYMEX

8 posted on 09/14/2005 8:15:54 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER

I'll second that emotion!!


9 posted on 09/14/2005 8:17:44 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: biblewonk; newgeezer

Try this one boys:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1480411/posts


10 posted on 09/14/2005 8:18:16 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: newgeezer; biblewonk; SierraWasp; Grampa Dave
Fine, let’s take Senator Bingaman’s deep desire and that of the environmentalists and install 400’ wind turbines throughout the windy Otero Mesa. It would provide “free energy”, jobs to locals who could collect the raptor and migratory bird carcasses and the “footprint” would surely be no greater than a five foot high gas well head.

Who says I didn't advocate wind power.

Cover Otero Mesa with 400 foot wind generators PUHHHLLLEEEEEEEEZE.

11 posted on 09/14/2005 8:22:25 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Eric in the Ozarks
We remember the fires in Oregon a few years ago. The fires that were set up by insane elite Watermelon enviralists with their road closures and refusal to allow brush and dead trees to be cleared.

Remember how we funded the billboard which, because of its popularity, became self funding for several months, in addition to spinning off the same in AZ & NM.

I will post this on my homepage. Thanks boys.

12 posted on 09/14/2005 8:26:42 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; Grampa Dave
"In the 1970’s the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Lake Pontchartrain and Vicinity Hurricane Barrier Project planned to build fortifications and floodgates at two strategic locations, which would keep massive storms in the Gulf of Mexico from causing Lake Pontchartrain to flood the city. “The floodgates would have blocked the flow of water from the Gulf, through Lake Borgne, through the Rigolets (and Chet Mentuer) into Lake Pontchartrain, “declared Professor Gregory Stone, the James P. Morgan distinguished Professor and Director of the Coastal Studies Institute of Louisiana State University. “This likely would have stopped the storm surge coming from the Gulf into Lake Pontchartrain,” Professor Stone said during an interview September 6. The professor concluded, “These floodgates would have alleviated the flooding of New Orleans caused by Katrina. They were designed to withstand a Category 5 hurricane. Needless to say, those plans were abandoned after environmental advocates successfully sued to have it stopped. Specifically, in 1977, a state environmentalist group known as Save Our Wetlands sued to have it stopped. This effort at protection continued for a number of times in the ensuing years, as recently as 2004, and every time was opposed by environmentalists. Perhaps if the floodgates had been constructed the following refineries flooded out would still be producing gasoline: Valero in Norco, LA (225,000 bbl./day), Murphy Oil in Meraux, LA (120,000 bbl./day), Exxon Mobil in Chalmette, LA (183,000 bbl/day), Conoco Phillips in Belle Chase, LA (255,000 bbl/day), Marathon in Garyville, LA (245,000 bbl/day), Chevron in Pascagoula, Mississippi (325,000 bbl/day) for a total down of 1,605,000 barrels gasoline, jet fuel and related products per day. While not all of the refineries listed are down because of flooding, it graphically points out the necessity of building more refineries at locations scattered throughout the US in order to avoid a disastrous destruction of refining capacity due to being geographically clustered. If anyone thinks Al Qaeda didn’t notice this severe disruption, they are crazy. No more environmental opposition or NIMBY attitude needed when it comes to new refinery construction. It is vital both economically and strategically to protect our economy from natural disasters and terrorist attacks."

What a paragraph!!! Packed with TRUTH!!! Long... but full of truths that should be obvious to lawmakers! But alas... Many of them are oblivious to the obvious!!!

13 posted on 09/14/2005 8:27:46 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Many of them are oblivious to the obvious!!!

You have a way with words.

14 posted on 09/14/2005 8:32:08 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
You might want to put this on your homepage. I will freepmail you the link.


15 posted on 09/14/2005 8:32:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; MadIvan

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1484313/posts

German inventor's "cat fuel" angers animal lovers
Reuters ^ | September 14, 2005 | Staff


Posted on 09/14/2005 8:27:28 AM PDT by MadIvan


BERLIN (Reuters) - A German inventor has angered animal rights activists with his answer to fighting the soaring cost of fuel -- dead cats.

Christian Koch, 55, from the eastern county of Saxony, told Bild newspaper that his organic diesel fuel -- a home-made blend of garbage, run-over cats, and other ingredients -- is a proven alternative to normal consumer diesel.

"I drive my normal diesel-powered car with this mixture," Koch said. "I have gone 170,000 km (106,000 miles) without a problem."

The website of Koch's firm, "Alphakat GmbH", says his patented "KDV 500" machine can produce what he calls the "bio-diesel" fuel at about 23 euro cents (30 cents) a litre, which is about one-fifth the price at petrol stations now.

Koch said around 20 dead cats added into the mix could help produce enough fuel to fill up a 50-litre (11 gallon) tank.

But the president of the German Society for the Protection of Animals, Wolfgang Apel, said using dead cats for fuel was illegal.

"There's no danger for cats and dogs in Germany because this practice is outlawed in Germany," Apel told Bild on Wednesday in a story entitled "Can you really make fuel out of cats?"

"We're going to keep an eye on this case," Apel said.


16 posted on 09/14/2005 8:35:37 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

Most excellent! Dealing with them bureacrats everyday.


17 posted on 09/14/2005 8:36:51 AM PDT by CedarDave ("I can't swing a dead cat without hitting a reporter" -- Lt. Gen. Honoré)
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To: Grampa Dave
Koch said around 20 dead cats added into the mix could help produce enough fuel to fill up a 50-litre (11 gallon) tank.

I love it. Cat fuel, faster, quicker and it really makes that engine purrrrrr.

18 posted on 09/14/2005 8:39:55 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
See this link, too. Hillary, Richardson and the enviro-nazis will yet make this country a third-world country if we let them:

Hillary's Hurricane Rule: Gulf Storms Require Gas-Pump Populism

19 posted on 09/14/2005 8:40:21 AM PDT by CedarDave ("I can't swing a dead cat without hitting a reporter" -- Lt. Gen. Honoré)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; Grampa Dave
"11:27 Futures Movers: U.S. crude stocks drop, but gas supplies rise"

Little bullet from BigCharts.MarketWatch.com... I'll bet that's nationally and doesn't include CA with it's boutique blend of BS gas!!!

I swear! If I ever catch one of those EnvironMental Suers at the same gas pump that I'm using... I'll take that nozzle and shove it where the sun don't shine and hook that little catch thingy so it fills that dumb sucker with CA's boutique blend!!!

Since I quit smoking and no longer carry a lighter, I'll have to leave it at that and that's too bad!!! The dood would make an excellent Molotov Cocktail!!! And I'd love shovin that rag down his throat!!! Here's to VIOLENCE!!! (It has it's place, ya know)(winning through intimidation!)

20 posted on 09/14/2005 8:42:16 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: newgeezer; biblewonk

Are you two married or somethin? Maybe you're actually the same person... You're always there instantly to support, defend and backup the windy one! It's amazing and amusing!!!


21 posted on 09/14/2005 8:44:40 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: CedarDave
Mrs. Clinton again voted against drilling in ANWR and against the energy bill--even though it did not open ANWR or any new offshore areas to drilling. She also declared her opposition to a proposed liquefied natural gas terminal in Long Island Sound that would help New Yorkers import the fuel they need to heat their homes that Mrs. Clinton opposes letting them drill in Finger Lakes National Forest.

You nailed her CD. Richardson is a friggin' joke.

22 posted on 09/14/2005 8:51:22 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: newgeezer
Sure, some people's livelihoods desperately need wind power to fail.

Limbaugh for one?

23 posted on 09/14/2005 8:52:25 AM PDT by biblewonk (Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Read the prices on a daily basis and weep you friggin' idiot.

Yer momma.

24 posted on 09/14/2005 8:54:50 AM PDT by biblewonk (Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; biblewonk
Cover Otero Mesa with 400 foot wind generators

That's not necessarily the best approach.

One alternative would be to harness the winds in the Great Plains, where the wind is always blowing somewhere. Of course, it'd be nice to have a decent grid to hold and distribute the electricity. If I recall correctly, Congress tossed something like $10M at grid improvement this year (probably in the NE states, and only until people forget about that big blackout). Biblewonk might remember the actual number.

On a related note, rumor has it Congress and GWB will be spending upwards of $250B of our tax dollars -- close to $1,000 from every man, woman and child in the U.S. (not just the taxpayers!) -- on Katrina before it's all said and done. At the very least, appropriations for grid improvements could be judged somewhat constitutional.

Priorities, I guess. If only we had the race baiters claiming our energy situation is a civil rights matter, Congress and the White House might actually get off their collective arse...

25 posted on 09/14/2005 8:58:51 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: biblewonk; SierraWasp
Yer momma.

Since you claimed, (FOOLISHLY), that there was no energy crisis, did you bother looking at the prices? Rather high aren't they?

And where might that relief be coming from?

Yer momma's methane?

26 posted on 09/14/2005 9:05:27 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; biblewonk
"Yer momma's methane?"

HE SCORES!!!

A retort with class! Very tastefully done! And quick, too!!! Ha Ha Ha!!!

27 posted on 09/14/2005 9:14:12 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: newgeezer; SierraWasp
That's not necessarily the best approach.

Obviously you've never been to the Otero Mesa Grasslands. Wind blows all the friggin' time. Airports out there use logging chain for wind socks.

28 posted on 09/14/2005 9:29:50 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Obviously you've never been to the Otero Mesa Grasslands. Wind blows all the friggin' time. Airports out there use logging chain for wind socks.

You mentioned something about raptors.

29 posted on 09/14/2005 9:36:33 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer

Imagine how many windmills and how much grid that 250B could buy.


30 posted on 09/14/2005 9:48:23 AM PDT by biblewonk (Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?)
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To: newgeezer

Raptors are the cuisinart byproduct of your wind Turbines. CA recently shut down an entire wind farm during the months of raptor migration. To avoid the mess.


31 posted on 09/14/2005 9:52:44 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Raptors are the cuisinart byproduct of your wind Turbines.

Not mine. My wind turbines are in the Great Plains. You're the one who says wind turbines belong in raptor areas.

32 posted on 09/14/2005 9:57:56 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; MadIvan

Buy Dead Cat Diesil. It puts the Purr back into your engine!


33 posted on 09/14/2005 10:01:05 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Roger that Dave!

Eradicate all environazis ~ Hang 'em High ~ Bump!


34 posted on 09/14/2005 10:04:29 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: newgeezer

I didn't say they belong ANYWHERE, except in jest to Sen. Bingaman, who is a blithering idiot. There are no raptors or migratory birds in the Great Plains?


35 posted on 09/14/2005 10:06:55 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: blackie; BOBTHENAILER; SierraWasp
Convert all enviral nazis to Diesel fuel.
36 posted on 09/14/2005 10:07:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Biodegradable tree huggin' root suckers ~ Bump!
37 posted on 09/14/2005 10:22:36 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
There are no raptors or migratory birds in the Great Plains?

Surely you realize there is plenty of good data regarding wind and (if you so choose) birds to aid in determining the best and most desirable places to site wind turbines.

Although the toy pinwheels in CA have killed raptors and other birds by the hundreds, studies at the various Iowa wind farms show that the bird kill is virtually nil.

At any rate, plate glass windows and traffic likely kill more birds than wind turbines ever could.

38 posted on 09/14/2005 10:36:05 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Grampa Dave
With the various solutions of gas/diesel, etc., we could call that brand the "Final Solution".

Just kidding boys and girls, don't flame too hard.

39 posted on 09/14/2005 11:13:30 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; Grampa Dave; blackie

I dunno... I prefer my solution in the last 2 paragraphs of reply #20, above, if you guys don't mind. Try it... You'll like it!!!


40 posted on 09/14/2005 11:39:11 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

Works for me ~ Bump!


41 posted on 09/14/2005 11:49:21 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: SierraWasp; Lazamataz
Here's to VIOLENCE!!! (It has it's place, ya know)(winning through intimidation!)

Reminds me of a LAZ post from a few days back regarding how to handle war protesters ouitside a naval base.

Both great solutions.

42 posted on 09/14/2005 11:51:49 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; Grampa Dave

What a wonderful letter!
Muy kudos to YOU!

Thanks for the ping, Gramps.
It's very good to see you. ;oP

I noticed that you posted the billboard.
I think it would look excellent on BOBTHENAILER'S homepage. ;o)


43 posted on 09/14/2005 4:48:27 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Virtute et armis" - By valor and arms)
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To: dixiechick2000; Grampa Dave
Thanks so much. I'm a techno idiot....I rely on my IT guy or my secretary to do the hard lifting like putting the billboard on my about page. I'll try and have it up soon.

BTW....got a reply from Heather Wilson, NM (Rep.) Representative, but nothing from Pistol Pete or Bingaman.

Next up are all the State Reps and Sens and especially that fat bastard Richardson.

44 posted on 09/14/2005 5:13:13 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

"...I rely on my IT guy or my secretary to do the hard lifting like putting the billboard on my about page."


LOL!

Writing letters like this one is the "hard lifting".
Keep the heat on, and keep up the good work!


45 posted on 09/14/2005 5:17:25 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Virtute et armis" - By valor and arms)
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To: dixiechick2000

Thanks again darlin' (don't take offense, I'm southern too), I'll always keep writing letters like this. they're fun.....no heavy lifting at all, just a lot of mean streak venting.


46 posted on 09/14/2005 5:26:33 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

I understand Southernese.
No offense taken. ;o)

Keep venting!


47 posted on 09/14/2005 6:14:27 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Virtute et armis" - By valor and arms)
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