"Ms. Rice is delusional if she thinks she can say hello to Ahmadinejad"

Iran Press News ^ | 13 September , 2005

[nuconvert]

"Ms. Rice is delusional if she thinks she can say hello to Ahmadinejad"

Iran Press News Flash - News and information translated from our Persian section

13 September , 2005

A member of the regime's parliamentary delegation whose visa along with Hadad Adel's was denied last week (http://www.iranpressnews.com/english/source/007141.html), strongly reacted to comment made by Dr. Condoleeza Rice who had stated that in case she crosses paths with Ahmadinejad at the U.N., she would in fact say hello. Mullah Mousa Qorbaani, the Mullah, known for his blustery speeches said: "Ms. Rice is delusional if she thinks that she can say hello to Ahmadinejad; she was supposedly going to say hello to Hadad Adel too."

Based on reports from AFTAB, one of the regime-run web sites, Qorbaani who is a member of the majority of the Islamic parliament said: "Americans have acted improperly and have insulted the guests of the United Nations such as Ahmadinejad's delegation, who have top priority."

Yesterday, another members of the Parliament, Ahmad Peeshbeen said: "Rice is a liar and one cannot count on what liars say. We Muslims understand the necessity of saying hello back. Americans are dreaming if they think they can force themselves on us by saying simple hellos and being affable."

[untenured]

She could really put him on the spot by extending her hand.

[Incorrigible]

Crossing Condi Rice just doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

[jbwbubba]

Because the whole "death to america" and funding terrorists is the real way to conduct diplomacy

[nuconvert]

She ought to kick him in the....................shins

[DoraC]

Time for regime change in Iran. Arrogant bastards. They should be taught a lesson.

[Unam Sanctam]

Yesterday, another members of the Parliament, Ahmad Peeshbeen said: "Rice is a liar and one cannot count on what liars say. We Muslims understand the necessity of saying hello back. Americans are dreaming if they think they can force themselves on us by saying simple hellos and being affable."

What delightful people! Is this where Howard Dean has been polishing his technique?

[atomicpossum]

Look out. Condi is the nice one; Leeza will take him down.

[Billthedrill]

Tip yer hat to the lady, son. It's polite and she'll kick your butt up between your ears if you don't.

[dfwgator]

Mr. Ahmadjihad can say "hello" to my little friend.

[TexasCajun]

Members of the Parliament, Ahmad Peeshbeen, "Not till she puts on a burka and gets out of public sight!"

[lugsoul]

Ah, yes. We don't like the way they are behaving, so we should substitute their elected government for one more to our liking.

What name do you give to this political philosophy? 'Cause it sure as hell ain't conservatism.

[Americanwolf]

I would put money on it that she will... She knows she is trail blazing by the things she's doing... and I think she is a smart enough cookie to put them in a bind like that :)

As much as I know I will get it from some corners of free republic, imagine what she might do as President... :)

[Sunshine Sister]

What is this all about? I guess muslims don't know what manners are.

[Wiseghy]

Nice diplomacy there, Iran. What an childish, peevish response to simple courtesy.

Hey, maybe Bianca Jagger could patch things up for us! /sar

[Red Badger]

Condi: Hello, Mr. Muslim-whose-name-cannot-be-pronounced, I would like you to meet Mr. ICBM.............His cousin "Boomer" is in your neighborhood!..........

[nuconvert]

LoL.
Maybe Howard Dean is a graduate of the The Mullah Mousa Qorbaani Charm School.

[halfright]

Yesterday, another members of the Parliament, Ahmad Peeshbeen said: "Rice is a liar and one cannot count on what liars say. We Muslims understand the necessity of saying hello back. Americans are dreaming if they think they can force themselves on us by saying simple hellos and being affable.

Note to Ahmed: Don't confuse the smile with passivity. We are going to allow you to kill yourself to escape our ideology.

[Publius6961]

Time for regime change in Iran. Arrogant bastards. They should be taught a lesson.

Absolutely. I still don't believe it is the Iranian people but the mullahs and other religious leeches and parasites...
They actually believe they are the center of the universe. IQs hovering around 30 will do that to you...

[Frenetic]

If I was Condi i would have walked up to them, pointed my finger at them and then laughed histerically in their faces.

[DoraC]

Ah, yes. We don't like the way they are behaving, so we should substitute their elected government for one more to our liking.

Elected government? You call that farce an election? I guess it was a choice, but it was like choosing between Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer. There was no candidate who supported freedom. And the ruling mullahs probably stuffed the ballot boxes. But of course, you think they are so respectable that they would never do such think. Or don't you?

What name do you give to this political philosophy? 'Cause it sure as hell ain't conservatism.

It sure isn't Pat Buchanan-conservatism, but it is Barry Goldwater- and Ronald Reagan-conservatism.

[lugsoul]

Care to point out where Goldwater advocated regime change in response to arrogant behavior?

[lucyblue]

".....Barry Goldwater- and Ronald Reagan-conservatism"

bump

[lucyblue]

".....Barry Goldwater- and Ronald Reagan-conservatism"

bump

[WoofDog123]

"Absolutely. I still don't believe it is the Iranian people but the mullahs and other religious leeches and parasites...
They actually believe they are the center of the universe. IQs hovering around 30 will do that to you..."

It hasn't worked out badly for them so far...larger oil revenue than ever, progressing nuclear program, who knows how many nukes thay had cobbled together from other sources apart from the current program, and decent diplomatic relations with a LOT of the world, including the former USSR and China.

For YEARS people on FR have been talking about regime change, but if it is gonna happen it is going to be internal, something which to date has not occured.. I do not believe the US will launch an attack on Iran, period.

[nuconvert]

"We don't like the way they are behaving, so we should substitute their elected government for one more to our liking."

It was as fairly and legitimately 'elected' as the recent Mubarak election in Egypt.

[WoofDog123]

"You call that farce an election? I guess it was a choice, but it was like choosing between Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer."

The limited government nostalgists can make a very good case that that is exactly what the last two elections here have been like. On foreign policy the candidates are very different, but on domestic and fiscal policy it seems republicans spend more and now that they control congress and the white house, pass a lot of new government spending programs.

[lugsoul]

You can bump it, but surely you don't believe it.

Or perhaps you'd like to list all the Middle Eastern countries whose bad behavior President Reagan addressed with 'regime change.'

The silence will be deafening, I expect.

[Dems_R_Losers]

Yesterday, another members of the Parliament, Ahmad Peeshbeen said: "Rice is a liar and one cannot count on what liars say. We Muslims understand the necessity of saying hello back. Americans are dreaming if they think they can force themselves on us by saying simple hellos and being affable."

Is this a Monty Python show or what? "Poke him with the soft cushions!"

[popdonnelly]

Who would want to say hello to the little weasel?

[WoofDog123]

I personally prefer the DPRK 'comic book' news stories for comic effect, but this is pretty absurd as well.

[John Jorsett]

I guess this is what passes for a "charm offensive" in Iran.

[dennisw]

She should grab him by his turban and plant a full kiss on his mouth

[nuconvert]

YUCK! Have you seen that little monkey?

[nuconvert]

btw - he's not a cleric & doesn't wear a turbin

[Firefox1]

Hey, Dorac!

The government in Iran wasn't elected. It's a religous government run by zealots, bullies, and a##holes. Sure, they have a fake election every now and then to deflect international criticism but, did you ever notice what happens to opposition parties if they get too uppity? Two years ago the speaker of the Iranian parliment was shot dead for complaining too much. Others were killed, too. If you followed the news, you would know.

So Dorac, it's time you start helping the oppressed people in this world and stop supporting dictators simply because they hate President Bush almost as much as you do.

[dennisw]

I've seen him with a turban one. In fact regular old slob in the street Muslims often wear turbans.

[DoraC]

Hey, Dorac!

The government in Iran wasn't elected. It's a religous government run by zealots, bullies, and a##holes. Sure, they have a fake election every now and then to deflect international criticism but, did you ever notice what happens to opposition parties if they get too uppity? Two years ago the speaker of the Iranian parliment was shot dead for complaining too much. Others were killed, too. If you followed the news, you would know.

So Dorac, it's time you start helping the oppressed people in this world and stop supporting dictators simply because they hate President Bush almost as much as you do.

Hey friend,

That was exactly the point I made. Are you sure you read something I wrote and not something that someone directed at me, or probably a person I quoted?

[Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek]

Yesterday, another members of the Parliament, Ahmad Peeshbeen said: "Rice is a liar and one cannot count on what liars say. We Muslims understand the necessity of saying hello back. Americans are dreaming if they think they can force themselves on us by saying simple hellos and being affable."

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That will be a useful quote to keep around, given that Muslims are given explicit permission in the Quran/Hadith to lie to infidels. Stick that into CAIR and twist it the next time they come along.

It's also convenient to keep in mind that people who insist on swearing on the Quran when they take the oath in a courtroom have a holy authorization, under Islam, to "keep their fingers crossed" at all times when dealing with non-Muslims. Jurors should certainly keep that in mind as they assess the credibility of tesitimony from such people.

One reference:

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/masters.shtml

The Islamic basis for deception

Islam is more than a religion; it is a comprehensive way of life. It demands adherence in social, political, military and economical matters, as well as in things pertaining to religion. To understand how Muslims react in any situation in life, one must look into the religious influences that govern their behavior for that particular situation. Lying and deception are the issues at hand. It is important to know that Islam sanctions both.

Like most religions, Islam in general, forbids lying. The Quran says, “Truly, Allah does not guide one who transgresses and lies.” Surah 40:28. In another authoritative book, called the Hadith, Mohammed was also quoted as saying the following: “Be honest because honesty leads to goodness, and goodness leads to Paradise. Beware of falsehood because it leads to immorality, and immorality leads to Hell.”

However, unlike most religions, within Islam there are certain provisions under which lying and deceiving is not simply tolerated, but actually encouraged. In his book “The spirit of Islam,” Afif A. Tabbarah writes in page 247, “Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. “

This point is proven by numerous incidences in the life of Mohammed. He often lied and instructed his followers to do the same. He rationalized that the prospect of success in missions to extend Islam’s influence overrode Allah’s initial prohibitions against lying. A good example of sanctioned lying is the account of the assassinations of Kaab Ibn al-Ashrf, and Shaaban Ibn Khalid al-Hazly. Mohammed reportedly allowed his assassins lie to them in order to lure them into a place where they could easily butcher them.

The Quran alleges that Allah sanctions lies and deception:

“Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful.” Surah 5:89

“Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.” Surah 16: 106

The noted Islamic commentator, Al-Tabary, explained Surah 16:106 as a verse that had been revealed to Mohammed after he learned that Ammar Ibn Yasser was forced to deny his faith in Mohammed when kidnapped by the Banu Moghera tribe. Mohammed consoled Ammar by telling him, “If they turned, you turn.” (Meaning: if they again capture you, you are allowed to deny me again.)

In the Hadith, Mohammed, emphasizes the same concept.
According to Imam Al- Ghazali “One of Mohammed’s daughters, Umm Kalthoum, testified that she had never heard the Apostle of Allah condone lying, except in these three situations: 1- For reconciliation among people. 2- In war. 3-Amongst spouses, to keep peace in the family”

The principle of Al-Takeyya

The Arabic word, “Takeyya”, means, “to guard against.” The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one’s self or fellow Muslims. They can even deny the faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts. Al-Takeyya is based on the following Quranic verse:

“Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.” Surah 3: 28

According to this verse it is acceptable for Muslims to use deceptive tactics. In violation to the teachings of Islam, they can pretend to befriend infidels. In situations where real or imagined harm is perceived they are permitted to display adherence with the ideals of those considered as infidels.

It is important to understand that Muslims take great liberty in expanding the perimeters of circumstances under which they are permitted to lie and to use deceptive tactics. When dealing with Muslim leaders it is essential to keep in mind that they can say or do anything that will get them out of trouble. All the while, they are apt to have just the opposite agenda in their hearts. With this in mind, in matters pertaining to war and international politics, there is a question that we need to ask ourselves. Can Muslim countries be trusted to play it fair and keep their end of the agreements that they sign with non-Muslim nations?

It is imperative that our leaders not be naïve. They must understand that Muslims can use this loophole in their religion to absolve them from any accountability when they revert to deceptive tactics. They can unashamedly do so, as they adhere to Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, who was quoted as saying “War is a deception.” The Allah of Islam is described in the Quran as “the best of deceivers.” Surah 8:30.

[dennisw]

You can't tell me he doesn't have a few turbans tucked away in his closet.

[rockrr]

The thing that occurred to me when I read this was that imbecile Madeline Albright (sp) prancing around absolutely clueless as how how deeply she was offending the various (barbarian) functionaries from the Middle East.

I doubt that Condi would overtly offend (she has too much class), but it looks as though there are some who are purposely looking to be offended.

I do hope she obliges them ;'}

[BunnySlippers]

Time for the shiny black leather high heeled boots ... and whip.

[TXnMA]

What name do you give to this political philosophy?

Here in Texas, we call it, "@$$-kickin"...

[BigBobber]

Or perhaps you'd like to list all the Middle Eastern countries whose bad behavior President Reagan addressed with 'regime change.' The silence will be deafening, I expect.

Call it what you will. The arrogant bastards in Tehran knew very well that they better release the American hostages before Reagan got into office or there would be consequences. They did release them, on the very last day of Carter's term.

Then there was the "Iran Contra Affair". This was an attempt by the Reagan Administration to subvert or topple two "badly behaving" regimes by covert methods.

And don't forget Grenada. Not in the Middle East, but it shows clearly that Regan did not hesitate to employ overt "regime change" when it was in the interests of the U.S.

[lugsoul]

Grenada? Just calling that a 'regime' is a joke.

Well, let's see. The regimes of Iraq and Iran were the same at the beginning of Reagan's Presidency as they were at the end. Even though Iran was directly involved in the murder of US forces in Beirut. Libya? Killed some Americans in Germany. Same regime at the end of Reagan's term. Pakistan? Also stormed our embassy and killed Americans. Regime change? Nope.

You are fantasizing. Because there simply is no reality in the claim that 'regime change' in response to arrogant behavior is "Reagan conservatism."

Iran Contra? Failed on both accounts.

So you are left with Grenada, a tiny island nation with fewer troops than are presently in Biloxi, MS.

[kinghorse]

This sounds suspiciously like the mating dance of two 8 year olds.

[kinghorse]

Each has a crush on the other and plays this game of hard to get/ you got cooties infatuation. It's love I tell you.

[Cecily]

Ronald Reagan should have taught them a lesson in the early 1980's.

[tet68]

Re:shins

I'd be rolling in mirth if she just slapped a "Kick ME!" sign on his back in Persian.