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Islamist terrorists organizing in Bosnia & Islamist terrorists organizing in Bosnia
The Washington Times ^ | Sep. 14, 2005

Posted on 09/14/2005 8:20:13 PM PDT by Ooh-Ah

Islamist terrorists organizing in Bosnia

Al-Qaida may have an intact terror network operating in the Balkans, German security officials say. Sources within Germany's Bundesnachrichsiendienst, or Federal Intelligence Service (BND) told the German news agency DDP that both the Madrid terrorists, and some of those who perpetrated the London bombings, had "contacts with Bosnia," DDP reported Monday. The BND sources told DDP that European intelligence services had "vague indications that another terror cell controlled from Bosnia is preparing a new attack on London".


Muslim terror targets Europe

Muslim terror groups have targeted Europe as "the domain of war", the EU's counter-terror chief has warned. "The trend is clear. As was already apparent in the Madrid attacks and the killing of the Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh, Europe has become both a target and a source of terrorism perpetrated in the name of Islam," Gijs de Vries, the European Union Counter-Terrorism Coordinator said in a speech he delivered earlier this week in Israel to the Institute for Counter-Terrorism's annual conference. "No longer is Europe only a base of support for attacks carried out elsewhere in the world. European societies have become an integral part of Dar al-Harb - the domain of war," de Vries said. "The threat to Europe emanates from Europe-based Islamist networks as well as increasingly from unaffiliated actors: groups and individuals acting independently but sharing a jihadist ideology," he said. "The risk of further attacks in Europe -- and on Europeans elsewhere in the world -- is real and will probably remain high for years to come," de Vries said.

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedabalkans; balkans; bosnia; europe; globaljihad; islam; islamohomos; jihad; jihadicheerleaders; muslim; terrorism; terrorists
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1 posted on 09/14/2005 8:20:15 PM PDT by Ooh-Ah
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To: joan; FormerLib

Ping!


2 posted on 09/14/2005 8:32:42 PM PDT by Dragonfly
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To: Ooh-Ah

The Euro-idiots reap what they sow. Its too bad the poor Serbs had to pay. Now all of europe will pay!!


3 posted on 09/14/2005 8:34:35 PM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (60% of Saudis, 58%of Iraqis, 55%of Kuwaitis,50% of Jordanians married 1st or 2nd cousins. LOL!!!)
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To: Ooh-Ah
Tell us it ain't so, Bosnia is Clinton's success story, I know, for he, the dems, the left, and the MSM has told me so.

Bye the bye, and how is that "they have democracy now" gig of Clinton's going in Haiti?

And Kosovo is peachy too. S\ for all.

4 posted on 09/14/2005 9:11:50 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis; Ooh-Ah; Luigi Vasellini
The very words genocide, slaughter, mass graves are repulsive. But on the flip-side, the Clinton administration bungled it big time by bombing the Serbs into submission. True, the Serbs are bad actors. However, the Serbs should have instead, been sternly warned, and then let them finish booting the Muslims out of the Balkans...all the way out. The Americans simply don't understand the long, hard, deep feelings of the people in that region of the world, that stemmed from the invasion by the Ottoman Empire. Unimaginable atrocities were committed against the Serbs and Croatians for centuries by the Turks. And yes, now with the help of Clinton and NATO, Al Qaeda and terrorism will have a big foothold in Europe. With all the evil events that have transpired, It just doesn't make sense!

5 posted on 09/14/2005 10:17:30 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Smartass

Yet you'll never hear a leftist complain that Clinton purposely bombed innocent Serbian civilians - he personally selected the targets, no less (remember his micromanagement of that campaign?) - even though that is by the most basic, straightforward definition a war crime.


6 posted on 09/14/2005 11:45:42 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. - Patrick Henry)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Hear no evil, see no evil there must not be any evil.


7 posted on 09/15/2005 12:11:31 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Ooh-Ah
Since "Bosnia Bill" stepped in and solved that country's religious war a decade ago, I am surprised to learn that the Moslem's are now carrying out an ethnic cleansing campaign against the Christian population, instead of the other way around. I read an article the other day which reported that dozens of Christian churches have been destroyed in just the past few months and Lord only knows what terrors the congregations must be undergoing.
It also seems that despite Bill's pledge, ("Our boys will be home by Christmas"), they are still there. Bill also failed to get UN approval for his excursion and sold us all on the need for intervention on the basis that there were 500,000 victims of an ethnic cleansing holocaust. The UN has been digging up the killing fields ever since then and have located between 15,000 and 20,000 victims - whether they were Christian or Muslim victims or more likely both, the reports do not say. However, it would appear that Bill deliberately lied about the magnitude of the crimes to justify his excellent adventure.
Strangely, all of this seems to have escaped the attention of the MSM, but I think it only right that Bosnia Bill be appointed as chief negotiator and sent back to the region to find out where his plan went off the rails.
On second thought, don't bother - he'll probably find that it's Bush's fault.
8 posted on 09/15/2005 5:33:02 AM PDT by finnigan2
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To: Smartass

Ottoman empire aside, in more recent history, the Muslimes eagerly assisted the Nazis in the killing of over one million Serbs in WW II.


9 posted on 09/15/2005 8:58:54 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
The Ottman's invaded I believe in 1300/1400AD. If the Serbs would have just booted them, instead of ethnic cleansing, there wouldn't have been a fuss. What the Muslims are committing now in Kosovo, is the very reason Clinton, and Madeline Halfbright went ballistic. NATO, or no NATO, the Serbs have very long memories. Plain and simple, Kosovo will never be a U.S. Allie, but for sure, will be a springboard for Islamofascist terrorism.

10 posted on 09/15/2005 10:35:11 AM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Smartass
And yes, now with the help of Clinton and NATO, Al Qaeda and terrorism will have a big foothold in Europe.

Please. Were it not for Arkan and his boys sweeping through Eastern Bosnia the foreign jihadists would never have flocked to the Balkans in the first place. This "we're fighting radical Islam" story was first pitched by the Serbs during the 92-95 war and didn't sell very well for obvious reasons (ie Bosnians aren't radicals). Today they're trying again to a slightly more receptive US audience.

11 posted on 09/15/2005 10:57:31 AM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: johnnyBbad
The Bosniaks war time leader, Alija Izetbegovic, and his allies in Bosnia, were fishing around in Islamic countries in the early 1980's. Izetbegovic was jailed around 1983 for several years for his anti-Yugoslav activities. When he got out he started where he left off. He, and several others who eventually acquired leadership positions before the war started, were wanting an independent Muslim state all along - and already trying to kick it off not long after Tito died.

Remember the Bosnian Muslims and Croats always choose the outside invading force and fought for them (Germans and Austrians) during WWI and WWII.

12 posted on 09/15/2005 11:15:13 AM PDT by joan
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To: johnnyBbad
Agree. The Serbs didn't go about it right in Bosnia and continued the same in kosovo. I still believe, had they booted instead of kill, they would have been successful. Booting will raise a few eyebrows, whereas, killing will always raise indignation and army's.

Further, what I think the United States doesn't understand, is that the UN, or NATO can be in Bosnia and Kosovo for hundreds of years, and the problem will not be forgotten, or solved!

13 posted on 09/15/2005 11:18:01 AM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Smartass
The Muslims started the killing in both places. The Muslims drew first blood in Sarajevo, Bosnia when they killed Nikola Gardovic, a Serb member of a wedding party (he was the groom's father), in March 1992. Besides him being killed others were injured by the gunfire.

And in Kosovo, the KLA initiated the violence, and even kidnapped, tortured, and killed Albanians loyal to the Yugoslav/Serbian government.

Muslim paramilitary, mafia, thugs, and criminals were active in threatening, terrorizing, and killing Serbs right on the brink of the war in both places.

14 posted on 09/15/2005 11:26:51 AM PDT by joan
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To: joan
"The Muslims started the killing in both places."

The Ottoman Turks, who were Muslims, started the killing when they invaded the Balkans in 1300/1400AD. No matter what, who, or how...the Slavs have never, nor will ever forgive, or forget.
15 posted on 09/15/2005 12:22:41 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Ooh-Ah
THANK YOU BILL CLINTON!!!
16 posted on 09/15/2005 1:55:17 PM PDT by montag813
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To: joan
Remember the Bosnian Muslims and Croats always choose the outside invading force and fought for them (Germans and Austrians) during WWI and WWII.

Yup. And this time all they had to do was sit back and let the conduct of the JNA and Serb paramilitaries push the West into the Muslims' camp.

17 posted on 09/15/2005 2:25:42 PM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: johnnyBbad
The Muslims went to train and fight in Croatia's war. Some Bosnian Muslims blew themselves up in August 1991 (almost 8 months BEFORE the Bosnia war started) in Montenegro - they were going to plant a bomb for civilians on a beach to help take the pressure of the Croatian front.

Just because you didn't read what they did in the mainstream media (which purposely blocked news of their crimes) doesn't mean they were sitting back.

18 posted on 09/15/2005 2:29:17 PM PDT by joan
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To: johnnyBbad
BOSNIA Recently released secret documents reveal that in the first days of the war, Muslim paramilitary leaders murdered scores of Bosnian Serb civilians in Sarajevo.
19 posted on 09/15/2005 2:32:17 PM PDT by joan
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To: joan
The Muslims drew first blood in Sarajevo, Bosnia when they killed Nikola Gardovic, a Serb member of a wedding party (he was the groom's father), in March 1992.

The killing of Gardovic, carried out by the gang led by Ramiz Delalic (aka Celo), fanned the flames of tension but can hardly be called the opening shots of the war, or a Muslim offensive worthy of the kind of reponse it got from the Serbs.

Kosovo is another matter. The KLA did indeed start the fighting, hoping that the Serbs would lash out against civilians as they did in Bosnia in order to drive more people into the KLA's ranks. Same tactic Tito used against the Nazis and Ustashe.

It worked in both cases.

20 posted on 09/15/2005 2:33:03 PM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: joan
BOSNIA Recently released secret documents reveal that in the first days of the war, Muslim paramilitary leaders murdered scores of Bosnian Serb civilians in Sarajevo.

I've seen this same report before - I think even on the same website.

Doesn't provide a whole lot of details or sources. Know of any other links with more info?

I don't doubt the info though. The gangs led by Ismet Bajramovic (Celo), Jusuf Prizina (Juka), Ramiz Delalic (another 'Celo') and Musan Polalovic (Caco) anchored the defence of Sarajevo for the BiH government (before the BiH army got its act together) and were notorious for their brutality and murder - especially Juka who later broke from the BiH and joined the HVO around Mostar.

Eventually, when the BiH got its army together and boosted their own abilities, the gangs became more of a liablity than an asset and clashes took place between the government and their former "heroes".

21 posted on 09/15/2005 2:41:40 PM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: johnnyBbad
What about Kazani, Jusuf Prazina, Celo, the concentration camps in Sarajevo (in Muslim-controlled sections), at Celebici, the silo in Tarcin, murders by the Muslim police, etc. all taking place within the first few months of the war?

Did you ever hear about the Ristovic family - Serbs - who were murdered at their home (in a part of Sarajevo controlled by the Muslim forces) while they were eating lunch by members of the Territorial Defence (Muslims)?:

This crime took place at the very beginning of the war, on July 8 1992 in Gornji Velesici and, according to all assessments had wide ranging consequences, above all influencing accelerated departure of Serbs from that part of Sarajevo. The cruelty of the crime was especially surprising, because six persons were murdered in the middle of the day, in their own house, while having a lunch. The victims were: Radosava Ristovic (61) and her sons Pero (born in 1951) and Obren (born in 1955), their sister Bosa (born in 1961), Danilo Ristovic (14) and Mila Ristovic. Dusko Ristovic was wounded. Stojanka Mastilo, a friend of Mila Ristovic was also in the house at the time of the crime. She hid behind a couch and was not hurt.

Two days later, on July 10, Oslobodjenje published a short and terse statement by the Ministry of Defense and the Chief Headquarters of the Armed Forces of Bosnia-Hercegovina which, with small mistakes, listed the names of the victims. According to this statement, the crime was committed by "three unidentified murderers who drove away in a Volkswagen 'Golf'; the car had no number plates and was marked with the insignia of the Territorial Defense".

http://mujweb.cz/www/kutija/ristovic.htm


22 posted on 09/15/2005 2:48:37 PM PDT by joan
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To: joan
This crime took place at the very beginning of the war, on July 8 1992

Not sure if I'd call July the "very beginning" but I see your point.

The Muslim forces certainly did have their nasties as well. The BiH 7th division who fought the HVO was largely foreign and demonstrated all the love that we've come to expect from jihadists. That said, I refuse to group BiH Muslims in with that lot.

I think the ultimate difference between the crimes of the Muslims/Croats and that of the Serbs is that the Serbs had the heavy advantage in heavy weapons like T-55s, APCs and howitzers. It's a lot easier to feel understanding towards someone when they're outgunned and being beaten down and surrounded. Who knows - if the BiH had the heavy guns they may well have behaved much the same as the Serbs.

23 posted on 09/15/2005 2:54:28 PM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: johnnyBbad
Reading more of that article you get a glimpse of what it was like for Serbs living in the Muslim controlled sections. That murder of 6 - including a bedridden elderly woman and a 14-year-old - was a government hit designed to scare the Serbs out.

The article goes on to say that there were only Muslims allowed to be guards at the checkpoints, that all Serbs were disarmed, their houses were searched, and around the time of this murder of civilians, 3 Serb homes were burned down in that little part of Sarajevo.

24 posted on 09/15/2005 3:04:41 PM PDT by joan
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To: johnnyBbad
The writer met with some Serbian neighbors (Mirko and Trifko Bozic) soon after the murder and with the father of the murdered boy who was fighting with the government (Muslim) army. But within a few months the Muslims put the father and one of the neighbors in jail until the end of the war (so 3 years worth of prison simply for being Serb men), and the other neighbor was taken to a barracks, beaten and LEFT TO DIE IN THE STREET:

Mirko Bozic was also arrested soon after the murder of the Ristovics and spent the whole war in the Central Prison in Sarajevo. Both of them were exchanged just before the end of the war. Trifko Bozic was taken away from his home in the autumn of 1992 to some barracks, beaten to death and left to die in the street. His wife Natalija found his body and buried him at the Kosevo cemetery. To this day she lives with her son and his family in their house in Gornji Velesici. They are one of very few Serb families remaining in this part of Sarajevo. Stojanka Mastilo, the girl who survived, now lives in Bijeljina [in the Republic of Srpska].

It's not hard to see why there are "very few" Serbs left in most of Sarajevo - the Muslims broke in their homes and killed them or took them to camps, burned some Serb homes, and/or put disarmed Serb men in prison for the entire duration of the war.

25 posted on 09/15/2005 3:18:55 PM PDT by joan
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To: johnnyBbad
Did you ever read about the murder of the Golubovic family by the Bosnian Muslim police in Konjic, southwest of Sarajevo, also in July 1992? The parents were teachers and had 2 boys - only 5 and 7 years old. The Muslim men took them away in a POLICE CAR and, after they arrived at a town and got out of the car, the MUSLIM POLICE MURDERED them - except for the 7-year-old who got away...temporarily. He went to report this to the police and the POLICE HANDED HIM BACK TO THE MEN WHO MURDERED HIS PARENTS AND BROTHER who then murdered him!!! The Muslims were monsters and their police were taking Serbs from their homes and murdering them: WOMEN, CHILDREN AND ELDERLY. They didn't have to kill all Serbs, for a few cases like this would cause the Serbs to leave - which was the Muslims' design in the first place.
26 posted on 09/15/2005 3:40:03 PM PDT by joan
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To: Smartass; joan; johnnyBbad

This is how muslim started war in former Bosnia.

On April 20, 1992 Bosnian Serb militiamen were ambushed by Bosnian Muslim forces near Potocari. Half a dozen of the Bosnian Serbs were killed. This started the killing in the Srebrenica area. The Bosnian Serbs then retaliated. On May 3, Bosnian Serb forces killed thirteen Bosnian Muslims. Four days later, the Bosnian Muslims retaliated, in an attack in which an elderly Serb farmer with poor eyesight "was burned up in his house." On May 8, one of Naser Oric's men shot Bosnian Serb political leader Goran Zekic in the head and attempted to throw a grenade in his car as he was driving from Srebrenica to Bratunac, killing him.
http://www.pogledi.co.yu/english/srebrenica1.php


27 posted on 09/15/2005 7:04:56 PM PDT by zagor-te-nej (http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm)
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To: zagor-te-nej
Thank you. That link is a long read, but is very interesting. I quickly scanned it, but will have to re read and digest it.

That's good the truth is coming out in that trial. In all appearances, the West/NATO/EU want to recognize the present and forget all about the past. It would have to be hypocritical to overlook that the Turks invaded the Balkans, bludgeoned, raped, murdered, committed atrocities, stole land and that everything today should be a picnic. It shouldn't matter when it occurred, only that it did. When the Ottoman's finally gave it up and left, they should have all left! The problem is, the cancer is still there. Also, the tragic part is, the UN and NATO are providing protection and cover for what will be future terrorist states.

Please correct me, I understand why the West is fighting radical Islamofascists in Afghanistan and Irag. But I fail to understand them protecting them in Bosnia and Kosovo? I don't know about Bosnia, but hasn't Kosovo been purged of all Christians and churches and has evolved into a pure Muslim state?

28 posted on 09/15/2005 8:00:23 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: zagor-te-nej

Careful now. CNN, The New York Times, the US State Department and especially Ruder&Finn did not approve of that link you posted. There's a few people here that are going to be very upset with you.


29 posted on 09/16/2005 5:05:26 AM PDT by getoffmylawn (...and there's blood on my teeth when I bite my tongue to speak...)
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To: Smartass; johnnyBbad; ma bell; kosta50
...hasn't Kosovo been purged of all Christians and churches and has evolved into a pure Muslim state?"

Hmmm...not quite yet. Give it about 5 more years of the current "business as usual" and you might as well just hang great big neon "HEROIN" signs over the international border crossings for Kosovo. After all the Serbs have been finally cleansed under NATO's supervision and their culture completely eradicated, heroin is going to be the only thing worth a damn leaving Kosovo.

Of course you have to be a member of the KLA or at least on their payroll to enjoy any of the lovely benefeits of this nation building fiasco.

By the way, Kosovo has very little to do with Islam. For the most part, the KLA is all about control of the heroin distribution to Europe.

If you're looking for an Islamic foothold in the former Yugoslavia, there's just enough Mulim fanatics in Bosnia to allow them a nice foothold in Europe... and there was just enough of them long before the first Serb picked up a weapon and declared that they refuse to live in a Muslim dominated Bosnia way back in the early 90's.

30 posted on 09/16/2005 5:34:02 AM PDT by getoffmylawn (...and there's blood on my teeth when I bite my tongue to speak...)
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To: johnnyBbad

The Serb forces were outnumbered 10:1 by the muslim army around Sarajevo. The Serbs had the majority of their heavy weapons set up there. It was part of their coherent strategy to control the muslim army. In other parts, the Serbs were at a numerical disadvantage, even when going on the offensive. This is where better training and yes, more equipment was to their advantage.


31 posted on 09/16/2005 6:01:04 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: getoffmylawn

Sad but true. And with our help...and naivete.


32 posted on 09/16/2005 6:02:40 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: zagor-te-nej
This is how muslim started war in former Bosnia. On April 20, 1992...

Fighting flared in late March 92 in northern Bosnia between Serbs and Croats and Arkan attacked Muslims in Bileljina the first week of April. April 20 can hardly be called the "start" of war.

33 posted on 09/16/2005 6:02:49 AM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: johnnyBbad
johnnyonthepotty, jihadians were in country well before 1992 training up the muslim forces in various doctrine.

that pitch didn't sell at the time, but is now coming to the forefront with all these reports of jihad links to todays terror attacks.

Were it not for radical islam and croat extremism, Arkan would not have been the days headliner.

34 posted on 09/16/2005 6:04:52 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: johnnyBbad

alija was told by higher then unprofor to nuetralize caco and his gangs, or risk a blind eye towards any actions done by the Serbs and any positive PR for the Serbs. The Blackmail worked.


35 posted on 09/16/2005 6:09:38 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: Ooh-Ah
Serbs, Lies and Videotape
36 posted on 09/16/2005 6:15:45 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (If you right click on Madeline Albright's image, my name should show up!)
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To: Ooh-Ah

It's all Bush fault! Ya see, they were fat & happy in Afghanistan (speaking of fat & happy, whatever happened to that chubby taliban guy with the long beard?), and we drove 'em out of there, and so they sought refuge from their bestest buddy, Saddam. Darn! We made it hot for them there, too! Now they're fleeing Iraq and setting up camp in Clintonia - er, Bosnia. Geez, them al Quaida guys can't get a moment's peace! :0)


37 posted on 09/16/2005 6:16:01 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Many Democrats are not weak Americans. But nearly all weak Americans are Democrats.)
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To: ma bell

Keep playing that 'we-were-fighting-Al-Qaeda' song, son.

No one's listening except Serb nationalists and their commie allies.


38 posted on 09/16/2005 7:44:08 AM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: johnnyBbad
You take a look at the pre-war actions the muslims took and the pre-planned action the muslims did. The Serbs reacted the majority of the time. You had renegages from both sides.

You lack the vision to view the overall picture, before and during. You discount what the muslims did to the Serbs and cast it aside like its meaningless. The info you write and what these other internet warriors post up are from daily dispatches to newswires from the gutmans who report 20 km away as if he was an eyewitness. So sad you fell for his lies.

39 posted on 09/16/2005 8:59:30 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: johnnyBbad
i could care less if it were AQ or Hamas, Egyptian islamic army, etc... to me, they are all the same || They are all bad guys that are to be taken out ||
40 posted on 09/16/2005 9:00:57 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: ma bell

Silly me, listening to refugee reports and Human Rights groups....

I should listen to the likes of Emperors-clothes.com instead!


41 posted on 09/16/2005 10:02:11 AM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: ma bell
i could care less if it were AQ or Hamas, Egyptian islamic army, etc... to me, they are all the same || They are all bad guys that are to be taken out ||

Agreed. Not sure how that applies to average Muslims in Bosnia though. They're about as Muslim radical as you or I.

42 posted on 09/16/2005 10:03:17 AM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: Ooh-Ah

If we know this to be true, why wait??

Let's roll!!


43 posted on 09/16/2005 10:03:18 AM PDT by airborne
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To: zagor-te-nej
Dobar dan...
I saved the article, stayed up late and read "Pogledi" end-to-end. I don't understand why the MSM do what they do, or why. But, I'm not a bit surprised they gave Bosnian Muslims better coverage than the Serbs. World news organizations and American MSM are giving the same negative coverage against the United States in Afghanistan and Iraq. Nothing positive, all negative.

In my observations, it appears the press leans their coverage to which political party is in the White House. For example, President Clinton entered two conflicts in the Balkans without UN or congressional approval. On the other hand, Bush had to walk on water to chase Islamofascists in Afghanistan, and fought at home and in the UN for Iraq? There you are? The guys with the black hats are good, and the white hats are bad.

If the stories in "Pogledi" are true, and were corroborated, then the main issue should be why the Hague is prosecuting some Serbs for war crimes, and not any to speak of Bosnian Muslims? If there was that much evidence, and eye witnesses that ID'd Naser Oric for his war crimes, and then, the so called world court gave him a pass, would prove they have a different agenda then world rule of law. If the Hague is in fact doing this, they should be disbanded, or not be recognized as the world court. Moreover, I'm not a bit surprised with the inaction of Dutch NATO troops, and not impressed with Dutch law. Both in my opinion suck.

Again, thank you very much for furnishing me the information. There's a lot I understand about the Balkans, however, I'm not an expert and plead ignorant on many issues.

44 posted on 09/16/2005 11:55:14 AM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: johnnyBbad
you might read the rag mag, i don't.

majority of those groups are slanted with political leanings. many of what you write on here comes from yellow journalism, gutman, sugraman and amanpour types.

45 posted on 09/16/2005 2:12:57 PM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: ma bell
you might read the rag mag, i don't.

Please. The whole "fake-death-camps" story you referred to on another thread was a commie-rag piece (one which later fell apart in court).

I can't tell you how many Serbs I've met who insist that Yugoslavia was broken up by a CIA-Capitalist plot to destroy the "positive example" of Yugoslavia - straight out of a Chomsky rant or a Workers World Party newsletter!

46 posted on 09/16/2005 2:51:32 PM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: johnnyBbad
The ITN film crew was itself caught on film by a Belgrade film crew that went there with them. The ITN-ers put themselves behind fenced in area around a barn/shed and filmed through that. They were filmed walking in there through a gap in the dilapidated fence of chicken wire with a few strands of barbed wire on top attached to thin, leaning poles. The men were in a refugee area and free to go. Other people, including women, were seen sitting in the shade beneath the trees in the background of other footage taped that day. They were people displaced from the war and fighting.

The thin man, Fikret Alic, was brought forward when Penny Marshall started pointing out thin men among them - so they brought him forward as one who was really skinny. That man is living in Denmark with his Bosniak wife and child. There was no evidence of injury or bruising on any of the men. Many Bosnians left for Europe to sit out most of the war. Fikret Alic was in Europe shortly after that propaganda film.

47 posted on 09/16/2005 3:40:22 PM PDT by joan
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To: joan
Not the Trnopolje BS again, Joan.

Been there, done that.

You know how this plays out Joan, yet you're still pushing these lies.

Why?

Feh. It's a rhetorical question. Don't bother.

48 posted on 09/16/2005 5:15:35 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: johnnyBbad
Some folks you just can't reach.

Which is why we have the USAF.

= )

49 posted on 09/16/2005 5:16:52 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: joan
The LM article basically claimed that the camps were merely temporary holding places where refugees could come and go as they wished.

This lost the libel trial because that claim was rubbish.

There has never been any question in my opinion or in the article that I published that this camp was anything other than a grim place at which there were beatings, there were killings and there were rapes. There has never been any question of that. We have never argued contrary to that. - Michael Hume

I do not say that they at the time were able to leave and there - you know, there were fences, there were guards, which we have seen here, armed guards. - Thomas Deichmann

In other words, the only people who still think Trnopolje was no big deal are the Marxists and Serbs with very selective listening skills.

50 posted on 09/16/2005 5:20:55 PM PDT by johnnyBbad
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