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Posted on 09/14/2005 8:20:13 PM PDT by Ooh-Ah
Islamist terrorists organizing in Bosnia
Al-Qaida may have an intact terror network operating in the Balkans, German security officials say. Sources within Germany's Bundesnachrichsiendienst, or Federal Intelligence Service (BND) told the German news agency DDP that both the Madrid terrorists, and some of those who perpetrated the London bombings, had "contacts with Bosnia," DDP reported Monday. The BND sources told DDP that European intelligence services had "vague indications that another terror cell controlled from Bosnia is preparing a new attack on London".
Muslim terror targets Europe
Muslim terror groups have targeted Europe as "the domain of war", the EU's counter-terror chief has warned. "The trend is clear. As was already apparent in the Madrid attacks and the killing of the Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh, Europe has become both a target and a source of terrorism perpetrated in the name of Islam," Gijs de Vries, the European Union Counter-Terrorism Coordinator said in a speech he delivered earlier this week in Israel to the Institute for Counter-Terrorism's annual conference. "No longer is Europe only a base of support for attacks carried out elsewhere in the world. European societies have become an integral part of Dar al-Harb - the domain of war," de Vries said. "The threat to Europe emanates from Europe-based Islamist networks as well as increasingly from unaffiliated actors: groups and individuals acting independently but sharing a jihadist ideology," he said. "The risk of further attacks in Europe -- and on Europeans elsewhere in the world -- is real and will probably remain high for years to come," de Vries said.
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The Euro-idiots reap what they sow. Its too bad the poor Serbs had to pay. Now all of europe will pay!!
And Kosovo is peachy too. S\ for all.
The very words genocide, slaughter, mass graves are repulsive. But on the flip-side, the Clinton administration bungled it big time by bombing the Serbs into submission. True, the Serbs are bad actors. However, the Serbs should have instead, been sternly warned, and then let them finish booting the Muslims out of the Balkans...all the way out. The Americans simply don't understand the long, hard, deep feelings of the people in that region of the world, that stemmed from the invasion by the Ottoman Empire. Unimaginable atrocities were committed against the Serbs and Croatians for centuries by the Turks. And yes, now with the help of Clinton and NATO, Al Qaeda and terrorism will have a big foothold in Europe. With all the evil events that have transpired, It just doesn't make sense!
Yet you'll never hear a leftist complain that Clinton purposely bombed innocent Serbian civilians - he personally selected the targets, no less (remember his micromanagement of that campaign?) - even though that is by the most basic, straightforward definition a war crime.
Hear no evil, see no evil there must not be any evil.
Ottoman empire aside, in more recent history, the Muslimes eagerly assisted the Nazis in the killing of over one million Serbs in WW II.
The Ottman's invaded I believe in 1300/1400AD. If the Serbs would have just booted them, instead of ethnic cleansing, there wouldn't have been a fuss. What the Muslims are committing now in Kosovo, is the very reason Clinton, and Madeline Halfbright went ballistic. NATO, or no NATO, the Serbs have very long memories. Plain and simple, Kosovo will never be a U.S. Allie, but for sure, will be a springboard for Islamofascist terrorism.
Please. Were it not for Arkan and his boys sweeping through Eastern Bosnia the foreign jihadists would never have flocked to the Balkans in the first place. This "we're fighting radical Islam" story was first pitched by the Serbs during the 92-95 war and didn't sell very well for obvious reasons (ie Bosnians aren't radicals). Today they're trying again to a slightly more receptive US audience.
Remember the Bosnian Muslims and Croats always choose the outside invading force and fought for them (Germans and Austrians) during WWI and WWII.
Agree. The Serbs didn't go about it right in Bosnia and continued the same in kosovo. I still believe, had they booted instead of kill, they would have been successful. Booting will raise a few eyebrows, whereas, killing will always raise indignation and army's.
Further, what I think the United States doesn't understand, is that the UN, or NATO can be in Bosnia and Kosovo for hundreds of years, and the problem will not be forgotten, or solved!
And in Kosovo, the KLA initiated the violence, and even kidnapped, tortured, and killed Albanians loyal to the Yugoslav/Serbian government.
Muslim paramilitary, mafia, thugs, and criminals were active in threatening, terrorizing, and killing Serbs right on the brink of the war in both places.
Yup. And this time all they had to do was sit back and let the conduct of the JNA and Serb paramilitaries push the West into the Muslims' camp.
Just because you didn't read what they did in the mainstream media (which purposely blocked news of their crimes) doesn't mean they were sitting back.
The killing of Gardovic, carried out by the gang led by Ramiz Delalic (aka Celo), fanned the flames of tension but can hardly be called the opening shots of the war, or a Muslim offensive worthy of the kind of reponse it got from the Serbs.
Kosovo is another matter. The KLA did indeed start the fighting, hoping that the Serbs would lash out against civilians as they did in Bosnia in order to drive more people into the KLA's ranks. Same tactic Tito used against the Nazis and Ustashe.
It worked in both cases.
I've seen this same report before - I think even on the same website.
Doesn't provide a whole lot of details or sources. Know of any other links with more info?
I don't doubt the info though. The gangs led by Ismet Bajramovic (Celo), Jusuf Prizina (Juka), Ramiz Delalic (another 'Celo') and Musan Polalovic (Caco) anchored the defence of Sarajevo for the BiH government (before the BiH army got its act together) and were notorious for their brutality and murder - especially Juka who later broke from the BiH and joined the HVO around Mostar.
Eventually, when the BiH got its army together and boosted their own abilities, the gangs became more of a liablity than an asset and clashes took place between the government and their former "heroes".
Did you ever hear about the Ristovic family - Serbs - who were murdered at their home (in a part of Sarajevo controlled by the Muslim forces) while they were eating lunch by members of the Territorial Defence (Muslims)?:
This crime took place at the very beginning of the war, on July 8 1992 in Gornji Velesici and, according to all assessments had wide ranging consequences, above all influencing accelerated departure of Serbs from that part of Sarajevo. The cruelty of the crime was especially surprising, because six persons were murdered in the middle of the day, in their own house, while having a lunch. The victims were: Radosava Ristovic (61) and her sons Pero (born in 1951) and Obren (born in 1955), their sister Bosa (born in 1961), Danilo Ristovic (14) and Mila Ristovic. Dusko Ristovic was wounded. Stojanka Mastilo, a friend of Mila Ristovic was also in the house at the time of the crime. She hid behind a couch and was not hurt.
Two days later, on July 10, Oslobodjenje published a short and terse statement by the Ministry of Defense and the Chief Headquarters of the Armed Forces of Bosnia-Hercegovina which, with small mistakes, listed the names of the victims. According to this statement, the crime was committed by "three unidentified murderers who drove away in a Volkswagen 'Golf'; the car had no number plates and was marked with the insignia of the Territorial Defense".
Not sure if I'd call July the "very beginning" but I see your point.
The Muslim forces certainly did have their nasties as well. The BiH 7th division who fought the HVO was largely foreign and demonstrated all the love that we've come to expect from jihadists. That said, I refuse to group BiH Muslims in with that lot.
I think the ultimate difference between the crimes of the Muslims/Croats and that of the Serbs is that the Serbs had the heavy advantage in heavy weapons like T-55s, APCs and howitzers. It's a lot easier to feel understanding towards someone when they're outgunned and being beaten down and surrounded. Who knows - if the BiH had the heavy guns they may well have behaved much the same as the Serbs.
The article goes on to say that there were only Muslims allowed to be guards at the checkpoints, that all Serbs were disarmed, their houses were searched, and around the time of this murder of civilians, 3 Serb homes were burned down in that little part of Sarajevo.
Mirko Bozic was also arrested soon after the murder of the Ristovics and spent the whole war in the Central Prison in Sarajevo. Both of them were exchanged just before the end of the war. Trifko Bozic was taken away from his home in the autumn of 1992 to some barracks, beaten to death and left to die in the street. His wife Natalija found his body and buried him at the Kosevo cemetery. To this day she lives with her son and his family in their house in Gornji Velesici. They are one of very few Serb families remaining in this part of Sarajevo. Stojanka Mastilo, the girl who survived, now lives in Bijeljina [in the Republic of Srpska].
It's not hard to see why there are "very few" Serbs left in most of Sarajevo - the Muslims broke in their homes and killed them or took them to camps, burned some Serb homes, and/or put disarmed Serb men in prison for the entire duration of the war.
This is how muslim started war in former Bosnia.
On April 20, 1992 Bosnian Serb militiamen were ambushed by Bosnian Muslim forces near Potocari. Half a dozen of the Bosnian Serbs were killed. This started the killing in the Srebrenica area. The Bosnian Serbs then retaliated. On May 3, Bosnian Serb forces killed thirteen Bosnian Muslims. Four days later, the Bosnian Muslims retaliated, in an attack in which an elderly Serb farmer with poor eyesight "was burned up in his house." On May 8, one of Naser Oric's men shot Bosnian Serb political leader Goran Zekic in the head and attempted to throw a grenade in his car as he was driving from Srebrenica to Bratunac, killing him.
Thank you. That link is a long read, but is very interesting. I quickly scanned it, but will have to re read and digest it.
That's good the truth is coming out in that trial. In all appearances, the West/NATO/EU want to recognize the present and forget all about the past. It would have to be hypocritical to overlook that the Turks invaded the Balkans, bludgeoned, raped, murdered, committed atrocities, stole land and that everything today should be a picnic. It shouldn't matter when it occurred, only that it did. When the Ottoman's finally gave it up and left, they should have all left! The problem is, the cancer is still there. Also, the tragic part is, the UN and NATO are providing protection and cover for what will be future terrorist states.
Please correct me, I understand why the West is fighting radical Islamofascists in Afghanistan and Irag. But I fail to understand them protecting them in Bosnia and Kosovo? I don't know about Bosnia, but hasn't Kosovo been purged of all Christians and churches and has evolved into a pure Muslim state?
Careful now. CNN, The New York Times, the US State Department and especially Ruder&Finn did not approve of that link you posted. There's a few people here that are going to be very upset with you.
Hmmm...not quite yet. Give it about 5 more years of the current "business as usual" and you might as well just hang great big neon "HEROIN" signs over the international border crossings for Kosovo. After all the Serbs have been finally cleansed under NATO's supervision and their culture completely eradicated, heroin is going to be the only thing worth a damn leaving Kosovo.
Of course you have to be a member of the KLA or at least on their payroll to enjoy any of the lovely benefeits of this nation building fiasco.
By the way, Kosovo has very little to do with Islam. For the most part, the KLA is all about control of the heroin distribution to Europe.
If you're looking for an Islamic foothold in the former Yugoslavia, there's just enough Mulim fanatics in Bosnia to allow them a nice foothold in Europe... and there was just enough of them long before the first Serb picked up a weapon and declared that they refuse to live in a Muslim dominated Bosnia way back in the early 90's.
The Serb forces were outnumbered 10:1 by the muslim army around Sarajevo. The Serbs had the majority of their heavy weapons set up there. It was part of their coherent strategy to control the muslim army. In other parts, the Serbs were at a numerical disadvantage, even when going on the offensive. This is where better training and yes, more equipment was to their advantage.
Sad but true. And with our help...and naivete.
Fighting flared in late March 92 in northern Bosnia between Serbs and Croats and Arkan attacked Muslims in Bileljina the first week of April. April 20 can hardly be called the "start" of war.
that pitch didn't sell at the time, but is now coming to the forefront with all these reports of jihad links to todays terror attacks.
Were it not for radical islam and croat extremism, Arkan would not have been the days headliner.
alija was told by higher then unprofor to nuetralize caco and his gangs, or risk a blind eye towards any actions done by the Serbs and any positive PR for the Serbs. The Blackmail worked.
It's all Bush fault! Ya see, they were fat & happy in Afghanistan (speaking of fat & happy, whatever happened to that chubby taliban guy with the long beard?), and we drove 'em out of there, and so they sought refuge from their bestest buddy, Saddam. Darn! We made it hot for them there, too! Now they're fleeing Iraq and setting up camp in Clintonia - er, Bosnia. Geez, them al Quaida guys can't get a moment's peace! :0)
Keep playing that 'we-were-fighting-Al-Qaeda' song, son.
No one's listening except Serb nationalists and their commie allies.
You lack the vision to view the overall picture, before and during. You discount what the muslims did to the Serbs and cast it aside like its meaningless. The info you write and what these other internet warriors post up are from daily dispatches to newswires from the gutmans who report 20 km away as if he was an eyewitness. So sad you fell for his lies.
Silly me, listening to refugee reports and Human Rights groups....
I should listen to the likes of Emperors-clothes.com instead!
Agreed. Not sure how that applies to average Muslims in Bosnia though. They're about as Muslim radical as you or I.
If we know this to be true, why wait??
I saved the article, stayed up late and read "Pogledi" end-to-end. I don't understand why the MSM do what they do, or why. But, I'm not a bit surprised they gave Bosnian Muslims better coverage than the Serbs. World news organizations and American MSM are giving the same negative coverage against the United States in Afghanistan and Iraq. Nothing positive, all negative.
In my observations, it appears the press leans their coverage to which political party is in the White House. For example, President Clinton entered two conflicts in the Balkans without UN or congressional approval. On the other hand, Bush had to walk on water to chase Islamofascists in Afghanistan, and fought at home and in the UN for Iraq? There you are? The guys with the black hats are good, and the white hats are bad.
If the stories in "Pogledi" are true, and were corroborated, then the main issue should be why the Hague is prosecuting some Serbs for war crimes, and not any to speak of Bosnian Muslims? If there was that much evidence, and eye witnesses that ID'd Naser Oric for his war crimes, and then, the so called world court gave him a pass, would prove they have a different agenda then world rule of law. If the Hague is in fact doing this, they should be disbanded, or not be recognized as the world court. Moreover, I'm not a bit surprised with the inaction of Dutch NATO troops, and not impressed with Dutch law. Both in my opinion suck.
Again, thank you very much for furnishing me the information. There's a lot I understand about the Balkans, however, I'm not an expert and plead ignorant on many issues.
majority of those groups are slanted with political leanings. many of what you write on here comes from yellow journalism, gutman, sugraman and amanpour types.
Please. The whole "fake-death-camps" story you referred to on another thread was a commie-rag piece (one which later fell apart in court).
I can't tell you how many Serbs I've met who insist that Yugoslavia was broken up by a CIA-Capitalist plot to destroy the "positive example" of Yugoslavia - straight out of a Chomsky rant or a Workers World Party newsletter!
The thin man, Fikret Alic, was brought forward when Penny Marshall started pointing out thin men among them - so they brought him forward as one who was really skinny. That man is living in Denmark with his Bosniak wife and child. There was no evidence of injury or bruising on any of the men. Many Bosnians left for Europe to sit out most of the war. Fikret Alic was in Europe shortly after that propaganda film.
You know how this plays out Joan, yet you're still pushing these lies.
Feh. It's a rhetorical question. Don't bother.
Which is why we have the USAF.
This lost the libel trial because that claim was rubbish.
There has never been any question in my opinion or in the article that I published that this camp was anything other than a grim place at which there were beatings, there were killings and there were rapes. There has never been any question of that. We have never argued contrary to that. - Michael Hume
I do not say that they at the time were able to leave and there - you know, there were fences, there were guards, which we have seen here, armed guards. - Thomas Deichmann
In other words, the only people who still think Trnopolje was no big deal are the Marxists and Serbs with very selective listening skills.
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