Posted on 09/14/2005 8:20:13 PM PDT by Ooh-Ah
Islamist terrorists organizing in Bosnia
Al-Qaida may have an intact terror network operating in the Balkans, German security officials say. Sources within Germany's Bundesnachrichsiendienst, or Federal Intelligence Service (BND) told the German news agency DDP that both the Madrid terrorists, and some of those who perpetrated the London bombings, had "contacts with Bosnia," DDP reported Monday. The BND sources told DDP that European intelligence services had "vague indications that another terror cell controlled from Bosnia is preparing a new attack on London".
Muslim terror groups have targeted Europe as "the domain of war", the EU's counter-terror chief has warned. "The trend is clear. As was already apparent in the Madrid attacks and the killing of the Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh, Europe has become both a target and a source of terrorism perpetrated in the name of Islam," Gijs de Vries, the European Union Counter-Terrorism Coordinator said in a speech he delivered earlier this week in Israel to the Institute for Counter-Terrorism's annual conference. "No longer is Europe only a base of support for attacks carried out elsewhere in the world. European societies have become an integral part of Dar al-Harb - the domain of war," de Vries said. "The threat to Europe emanates from Europe-based Islamist networks as well as increasingly from unaffiliated actors: groups and individuals acting independently but sharing a jihadist ideology," he said. "The risk of further attacks in Europe -- and on Europeans elsewhere in the world -- is real and will probably remain high for years to come," de Vries said.
(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...
I've seen this same report before - I think even on the same website.
Doesn't provide a whole lot of details or sources. Know of any other links with more info?
I don't doubt the info though. The gangs led by Ismet Bajramovic (Celo), Jusuf Prizina (Juka), Ramiz Delalic (another 'Celo') and Musan Polalovic (Caco) anchored the defence of Sarajevo for the BiH government (before the BiH army got its act together) and were notorious for their brutality and murder - especially Juka who later broke from the BiH and joined the HVO around Mostar.
Eventually, when the BiH got its army together and boosted their own abilities, the gangs became more of a liablity than an asset and clashes took place between the government and their former "heroes".
Did you ever hear about the Ristovic family - Serbs - who were murdered at their home (in a part of Sarajevo controlled by the Muslim forces) while they were eating lunch by members of the Territorial Defence (Muslims)?:
This crime took place at the very beginning of the war, on July 8 1992 in Gornji Velesici and, according to all assessments had wide ranging consequences, above all influencing accelerated departure of Serbs from that part of Sarajevo. The cruelty of the crime was especially surprising, because six persons were murdered in the middle of the day, in their own house, while having a lunch. The victims were: Radosava Ristovic (61) and her sons Pero (born in 1951) and Obren (born in 1955), their sister Bosa (born in 1961), Danilo Ristovic (14) and Mila Ristovic. Dusko Ristovic was wounded. Stojanka Mastilo, a friend of Mila Ristovic was also in the house at the time of the crime. She hid behind a couch and was not hurt.Two days later, on July 10, Oslobodjenje published a short and terse statement by the Ministry of Defense and the Chief Headquarters of the Armed Forces of Bosnia-Hercegovina which, with small mistakes, listed the names of the victims. According to this statement, the crime was committed by "three unidentified murderers who drove away in a Volkswagen 'Golf'; the car had no number plates and was marked with the insignia of the Territorial Defense".
http://mujweb.cz/www/kutija/ristovic.htm
Not sure if I'd call July the "very beginning" but I see your point.
The Muslim forces certainly did have their nasties as well. The BiH 7th division who fought the HVO was largely foreign and demonstrated all the love that we've come to expect from jihadists. That said, I refuse to group BiH Muslims in with that lot.
I think the ultimate difference between the crimes of the Muslims/Croats and that of the Serbs is that the Serbs had the heavy advantage in heavy weapons like T-55s, APCs and howitzers. It's a lot easier to feel understanding towards someone when they're outgunned and being beaten down and surrounded. Who knows - if the BiH had the heavy guns they may well have behaved much the same as the Serbs.
The article goes on to say that there were only Muslims allowed to be guards at the checkpoints, that all Serbs were disarmed, their houses were searched, and around the time of this murder of civilians, 3 Serb homes were burned down in that little part of Sarajevo.
Mirko Bozic was also arrested soon after the murder of the Ristovics and spent the whole war in the Central Prison in Sarajevo. Both of them were exchanged just before the end of the war. Trifko Bozic was taken away from his home in the autumn of 1992 to some barracks, beaten to death and left to die in the street. His wife Natalija found his body and buried him at the Kosevo cemetery. To this day she lives with her son and his family in their house in Gornji Velesici. They are one of very few Serb families remaining in this part of Sarajevo. Stojanka Mastilo, the girl who survived, now lives in Bijeljina [in the Republic of Srpska].
It's not hard to see why there are "very few" Serbs left in most of Sarajevo - the Muslims broke in their homes and killed them or took them to camps, burned some Serb homes, and/or put disarmed Serb men in prison for the entire duration of the war.
This is how muslim started war in former Bosnia.
On April 20, 1992 Bosnian Serb militiamen were ambushed by Bosnian Muslim forces near Potocari. Half a dozen of the Bosnian Serbs were killed. This started the killing in the Srebrenica area. The Bosnian Serbs then retaliated. On May 3, Bosnian Serb forces killed thirteen Bosnian Muslims. Four days later, the Bosnian Muslims retaliated, in an attack in which an elderly Serb farmer with poor eyesight "was burned up in his house." On May 8, one of Naser Oric's men shot Bosnian Serb political leader Goran Zekic in the head and attempted to throw a grenade in his car as he was driving from Srebrenica to Bratunac, killing him.
http://www.pogledi.co.yu/english/srebrenica1.php
Thank you. That link is a long read, but is very interesting. I quickly scanned it, but will have to re read and digest it.
That's good the truth is coming out in that trial. In all appearances, the West/NATO/EU want to recognize the present and forget all about the past. It would have to be hypocritical to overlook that the Turks invaded the Balkans, bludgeoned, raped, murdered, committed atrocities, stole land and that everything today should be a picnic. It shouldn't matter when it occurred, only that it did. When the Ottoman's finally gave it up and left, they should have all left! The problem is, the cancer is still there. Also, the tragic part is, the UN and NATO are providing protection and cover for what will be future terrorist states.
Please correct me, I understand why the West is fighting radical Islamofascists in Afghanistan and Irag. But I fail to understand them protecting them in Bosnia and Kosovo? I don't know about Bosnia, but hasn't Kosovo been purged of all Christians and churches and has evolved into a pure Muslim state?
Careful now. CNN, The New York Times, the US State Department and especially Ruder&Finn did not approve of that link you posted. There's a few people here that are going to be very upset with you.
Hmmm...not quite yet. Give it about 5 more years of the current "business as usual" and you might as well just hang great big neon "HEROIN" signs over the international border crossings for Kosovo. After all the Serbs have been finally cleansed under NATO's supervision and their culture completely eradicated, heroin is going to be the only thing worth a damn leaving Kosovo.
Of course you have to be a member of the KLA or at least on their payroll to enjoy any of the lovely benefeits of this nation building fiasco.
By the way, Kosovo has very little to do with Islam. For the most part, the KLA is all about control of the heroin distribution to Europe.
If you're looking for an Islamic foothold in the former Yugoslavia, there's just enough Mulim fanatics in Bosnia to allow them a nice foothold in Europe... and there was just enough of them long before the first Serb picked up a weapon and declared that they refuse to live in a Muslim dominated Bosnia way back in the early 90's.
The Serb forces were outnumbered 10:1 by the muslim army around Sarajevo. The Serbs had the majority of their heavy weapons set up there. It was part of their coherent strategy to control the muslim army. In other parts, the Serbs were at a numerical disadvantage, even when going on the offensive. This is where better training and yes, more equipment was to their advantage.
Sad but true. And with our help...and naivete.
Fighting flared in late March 92 in northern Bosnia between Serbs and Croats and Arkan attacked Muslims in Bileljina the first week of April. April 20 can hardly be called the "start" of war.
that pitch didn't sell at the time, but is now coming to the forefront with all these reports of jihad links to todays terror attacks.
Were it not for radical islam and croat extremism, Arkan would not have been the days headliner.
alija was told by higher then unprofor to nuetralize caco and his gangs, or risk a blind eye towards any actions done by the Serbs and any positive PR for the Serbs. The Blackmail worked.
It's all Bush fault! Ya see, they were fat & happy in Afghanistan (speaking of fat & happy, whatever happened to that chubby taliban guy with the long beard?), and we drove 'em out of there, and so they sought refuge from their bestest buddy, Saddam. Darn! We made it hot for them there, too! Now they're fleeing Iraq and setting up camp in Clintonia - er, Bosnia. Geez, them al Quaida guys can't get a moment's peace! :0)
Keep playing that 'we-were-fighting-Al-Qaeda' song, son.
No one's listening except Serb nationalists and their commie allies.
You lack the vision to view the overall picture, before and during. You discount what the muslims did to the Serbs and cast it aside like its meaningless. The info you write and what these other internet warriors post up are from daily dispatches to newswires from the gutmans who report 20 km away as if he was an eyewitness. So sad you fell for his lies.
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