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Police trainee accidentally killed by instructor
AP via CNN ^ | 9/14/05

Posted on 09/14/2005 9:54:28 PM PDT by PAR35

AUSTELL, Georgia (AP) -- A trainee at a state law enforcement academy was accidentally shot and killed by her instructor Tuesday during a classroom exercise, authorities said.

The police trainee was among about 30 students in the seventh week of a state-mandated 10-week training course at the North Central Georgia Law Enforcement Academy.

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Cobb County Police spokesman Dana Pierce said the veteran instructor was "very traumatized" and had to seek medical attention.

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The instructor needs to be fired. He should probably face criminal charges as well.
1 posted on 09/14/2005 9:54:29 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

These people need their guns taken away for our safety.


2 posted on 09/14/2005 9:56:32 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: PAR35
Another cops shoots an innocent victim.

Nothing to see here, folks!

3 posted on 09/14/2005 9:57:27 PM PDT by Wormwood (I! I! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: PAR35

I live near this area and have many friends on the Kennesaw City PD (where the victim was from) and on the Cobb County PD (where the instructer was from).

This "instructor" was widely known as "not the sharpest knife in the drawer", which was why he was "instructing" in the first place.

A tragedy, to be sure, but there is NO EXCUSE for incompetents to be "teaching" people. This also applys to our gooberment skrewel systems.


4 posted on 09/14/2005 10:01:46 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: PAR35

Agreed. There is NO excuse for not clearing a weapon before using it in training.

This story is unbelievable. The instructor needs to be charged.


6 posted on 09/14/2005 10:03:37 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: ncountylee
Not innocent, another cop.

Yikes.

No comment.

7 posted on 09/14/2005 10:04:52 PM PDT by Wormwood (I! I! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: ncountylee
Not innocent, another cop.

I guess you are part of the FR anti-police brigade.

From the bottom of my heart, go f yourself.

8 posted on 09/14/2005 10:06:34 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: clee1

This happened in Oklahoma a few years back. I still don't understand how a police instructor "accidentally" shoots a trainee. It's negligence, especially with someone at that level.


9 posted on 09/14/2005 10:07:27 PM PDT by kenth
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To: clee1; Cap'n Crunch; Horatio Gates; big ern; TEXASPROUD; Larry Lucido

Any more details ?

Live fire range, class room with simunitions ? If ya hear can ya ping me please ?

Thanks...


10 posted on 09/14/2005 10:08:06 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: PAR35
I've always told my wife, don't piss me off when I have a gun in my hand. lol

Situation is not funny but I thought humor was needed at this particular moment.
11 posted on 09/14/2005 10:09:41 PM PDT by antiunion person (President Bush caused the hurricane in order to harm the blacks in the south.)
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To: Squantos

'simunitions'? How do you kill someone with a blank?


12 posted on 09/14/2005 10:09:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: ncountylee

you are an ass. figures you're from canada. please stay there. enjoy your national health care.


13 posted on 09/14/2005 10:12:17 PM PDT by thefactor
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To: Aaron0617
Live fire range, class room with simunitions ? If ya hear can ya ping me please ?

another looking for more info bump

14 posted on 09/14/2005 10:12:51 PM PDT by Aaron0617
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To: kenth

Negligence, pure and simple.

The drumbeat is growing here, and I expect an indictment on negligent homicide charges soon.


15 posted on 09/14/2005 10:13:21 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Squantos
Kennesaw police trainee dies after accidental shooting



A trainee at a Cobb County police academy was killed Tuesday when the instructor's gun accidentally went off during the first day of firearms training, authorities said.

The woman, a new recruit with the Kennesaw police department, was identified today as Tara Drummond, 23. She was among 30 rookie officers in the seventh week of a 10-week program at the North Central Georgia Law Enforcement Academy in Austell.

The trainees were in a classroom in the basement of the academy, located in a converted textile mill, when the gun discharged about 4 p.m., said Carol Morgan, the academy director.

County Sheriff Neil Warren, whose office administers the program for Cobb, declined to discuss details of the shooting.

Drummond was taken to a local hospital where she died a short time later.

She was the first Kennesaw police officer killed in the line of duty, said department spokesman Scott Luther.

Kennesaw police Chief Tim Callahan called the death "a tragic accident," and added: "For the next few days, we want to honor the life of this young officer who would have been a great officer one day."

The class instructor is an "experienced veteran" of the county sheriff's office who has been teaching at the academy for 10 years, Sheriff Warren said.

Shaken up by the shooting, the instructor was also taken to a hospital but later released, Warren said.

The instructor, who was not named, has been placed on administrative leave until an internal investigation by the sheriff's office, the county police department and Austell police.
16 posted on 09/14/2005 10:13:26 PM PDT by kenth
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Bruce Lee's boy and a lot of folks have been killed with blanks at contact or close ranges.

Simunitions can kill if a contact shot.....hostage situation played out , role playing , muzzle to the temple of the victims noggin etc etc ....possible. Rare but possible.


17 posted on 09/14/2005 10:14:05 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Squantos

It was in a classroom, reportedly during a weapons-retention exercise. All the students were equipped with rubber guns. The instructer should NEVER have brought a "live" weapon into the room.


18 posted on 09/14/2005 10:15:08 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

simunitions, if i remember my academy days (not that they were too long ago), are projectiles. recruits dress in a full body foam suit and go through simulations. you can see the soft projectiles. i have hit some and been hit by some. they do not hurt, but on bare skin they would leave a welt or perhaps break the skin. if it goes into your eye, you're done.


19 posted on 09/14/2005 10:16:54 PM PDT by thefactor
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To: All

More here---

http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=69255


20 posted on 09/14/2005 10:16:59 PM PDT by John W
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To: kenth

Thank You for the update.......prayers for her family.


21 posted on 09/14/2005 10:17:09 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Aaron0617

See #'s 16 & 18


22 posted on 09/14/2005 10:17:28 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Squantos

I can't think of any scenario in police training where live rounds would be used outside of a range setting. NONE.

This "instructor" failed to clear his weapon; that is the only thing that can be gathered by this story.

For the instructor to point and fire his weapon on a trainee indicates that he didn't clear it to be used in scenario training.


23 posted on 09/14/2005 10:17:39 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: PAR35
"The instructor needs to be fired. He should probably face criminal charges as well."
Depends. If the trainees were taught to duck under incoming fire and this particular one was too slow...
24 posted on 09/14/2005 10:20:13 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: clee1

correct. the instructor should have had a real gun with the firing pin dismantled. it is important to see the true action of the weapon, but the gun should be rendered inoperable due to the fact that the teachers handle them so often and in close quarters.


25 posted on 09/14/2005 10:20:34 PM PDT by thefactor
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Cobb County Sheriff Neil Warren said, “As far as any ammunition in a training class in the facility is a no, no,

Naughty, naughty. Sit in the corner.

26 posted on 09/14/2005 10:21:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: GSlob
"hey there's a fresh grave. let's piss on it."
you are scum.
27 posted on 09/14/2005 10:21:47 PM PDT by thefactor
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To: clee1

Agree........just sad all way around for all involved.

Had a video here for a long time , can't find now of a young serviceman trying to impress his friend as to how a 1911A1 with the slide pushed out of battery wouldn't fire. Held to his head and tried to pull the trigger. Worked once in the little tape and second time he was pink mist in his memorable lesson....


28 posted on 09/14/2005 10:21:58 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: KJC1

Agree....will have to wait and see what , when and why. ......


29 posted on 09/14/2005 10:25:33 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Squantos

I think I've seen that video.....

The very FIRST thing I learned about firearms, at about 5-6 years old is: treat ALL firearms (operative, inoperative, dummy, toy, etc.) as though the are loaded EVEN IF YOU "KNOW" THEY ARE NOT, and NEVER, EVER point ANY firearm at someone unless you intend to, and are fully prepared to, kill that person.

You said it, FRiend. Sad.


30 posted on 09/14/2005 10:27:44 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: thefactor

galloze humour


31 posted on 09/14/2005 10:27:55 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: Squantos

Who was the camera man?


32 posted on 09/14/2005 10:28:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: GSlob
If the trainees were taught to duck under incoming fire and this particular one was too slow...

If you are serious (and I doubt that you are) use a paint gun and some goggles.

33 posted on 09/14/2005 10:29:25 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Squantos

Yeah. Man that's a shame. Prayers for her family.


34 posted on 09/14/2005 10:31:07 PM PDT by kenth
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To: PAR35

It's sad but accidents do happen, an instructor should know better.

I stopped going to indoor shooting ranges years ago when I noticed all the bullet holes in the ceiling, You never know who's in the lane next to you.


35 posted on 09/14/2005 10:32:50 PM PDT by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: KJC1
The instructor needs to be charged.

That would appear to be the case, but perhaps there is some fact out there which would mitigate things.

36 posted on 09/14/2005 10:33:35 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Dunno I saw the video during Desert Storm, in a camp at Doha Qatar, ....weren't Eaker is all I know....:o)


37 posted on 09/14/2005 10:34:43 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: PAR35
That would appear to be the case, but perhaps there is some fact out there which would mitigate things.

There is no mitigating factor. He is a weapons instructor who failed to clear his weapon. The only other explanation is that a leprechaun put a round in his weapon.

38 posted on 09/14/2005 10:36:24 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: PAR35

Like he got two identical looking guns mixed up?


39 posted on 09/14/2005 10:36:41 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: kenth
The instructor, who was not named, has been placed on administrative leave until an internal investigation by the sheriff's office, the county police department and Austell police.

The local guys should back away and call in the GBI. If the shooter's department is involved in the investigation, they might be heading for a cover up.

40 posted on 09/14/2005 10:39:12 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: clee1

Yeah I have a "fan club" at the firing range that is really really safe when I show up as the range master for the day. When I call a safety violation , I get real rude and loud about it. Folks tend to remember safety after I make my point known . Peer pressure works .....at least they are alive to be pissed at me when I kick em off the firing line......


41 posted on 09/14/2005 10:41:08 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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More like the suggestion in post 38. I was thinking of a practical joke on the instructor that went wrong. Unlikely, but it's hard to come up with a better defense in the middle of the night.


42 posted on 09/14/2005 10:44:39 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: HiTech RedNeck
How do you kill someone with a blank?

Ask Jon-Erik Hexum.

Simunitions are not blanks anyway. They are paintballs sized down to fit in the caliber of the weapon that you are training with.

43 posted on 09/14/2005 10:45:51 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus a change, plus c'est la mme chose.)
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To: Squantos

Yup... I'd rather be a live arsehole than a dead good ole boy. I was at a range once where the range master knocked the crud out of some fool that refused to play safe, after repeated warnings.

Sounds like you have done some LEO time. Yes?


44 posted on 09/14/2005 10:46:12 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: PAR35

Prayers for Her Family.

Why does this remind me of the cop with the glock in the school saying that he's the only one in the room qualified to SHOOT HIMSELF!


45 posted on 09/14/2005 10:48:33 PM PDT by ChefKeith ( If Diplomacy worked, then we would be sitting here talking...)
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To: clee1

Yep retired military, and former deputy......I shoot about two days a week now for fun and once a week for work. IDPA and Leg Matches etc etc ....


46 posted on 09/14/2005 10:51:22 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Triggerhippie
Jon-Erik Hexum

Yeah that's the guys name....aside from Bruce Lee's kid that was the one I was thinking of......Thanks !

47 posted on 09/14/2005 10:53:10 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Squantos

Thought so... I think LEO's can "smell" one another...

BTW, I dig your tagline!


48 posted on 09/14/2005 10:54:17 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Squantos

I just saw your page and love the Dud Test pic.

That is one way to eliminate the "cocked striker" hazard.


49 posted on 09/14/2005 11:00:55 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus a change, plus c'est la mme chose.)
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To: kenth
The instructor, who was not named, has been placed on administrative leave until an internal investigation by the sheriff's office, the county police department and Austell police.

Sorry; but why isn't the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (that is what they call it, isn't it?) or the state police investigating, instead of the involved sheriff?

50 posted on 09/14/2005 11:06:31 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Marching Morons are coming...and they're breeding more Democrats beyond all reason!)
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