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Fineman: Beltway vs. Blogosphere (A Nasty Civil War is Brewing in the Democratic Party)
Newsweek ^ | September 15, 2005 | Howard Fineman

Posted on 09/15/2005 4:18:15 PM PDT by RWR8189

Sept. 14, 2005 - If I am hearing Simon Rosenberg right (and he is worth listening to), a nasty civil war is brewing within the Democratic Party, and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton—the party’s presumptive 2008 nominee—needs to avoid getting caught in the middle of it.

“It’s not a fight between liberals and conservatives,” Rosenberg told me the other day. “It’s between our ‘governing class’ here and activists everywhere else.”

In other words, it’s the Beltway versus the Blogosphere.

What’s interesting is that Rosenberg is himself a Beltway creature, a preternaturally self-assured young insider with a cherubic face and a cold smile. He heads a group called the New Democratic Network and ran his own campaign for DNC chair. But the names he utters with reverence are net-based: organizers such as Eli Pariser and bloggers such as Daily Kos and Atrios.

Rosenberg rejects that notion that the bloggers represent a new “Internet Left.” It’s not an ideological rift, he says, but a “narrative” of independence versus capitulation: too many Democrats here are too yielding to George W. Bush on the war in Iraq, on tax policy, you name it. “What the blogs have developed is a narrative,” he told me the other day,” and the narrative is that the official Washington party has become like Vichy France.”

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: beltway; beltwaydems; blogosphere; dhpl; dnc; dummies; elites; fineman; hillary2008; howardfineman; liberal; liberals; moveon; weblogs
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1 posted on 09/15/2005 4:18:16 PM PDT by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189

Get the popcorn.


2 posted on 09/15/2005 4:19:56 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: RWR8189

A fight between the amoral power brokers and the nihilists.


3 posted on 09/15/2005 4:20:54 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: RWR8189
Now THIS is excellent news!

Where do we send the Dean '08 money?

4 posted on 09/15/2005 4:21:19 PM PDT by Jim Noble (In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: RWR8189
...too yielding to George W. Bush on the war in Iraq, on tax policy, you name it.

Odd that he would choose those two items. Perhaps the Beltway insiders know that the vast majority of Americans agree.

5 posted on 09/15/2005 4:24:39 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem !)
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To: RWR8189

ANYTHING that would make old thunder thighs look more of an idiot than she is, is great with me....

I'm pulling up a seat and have a cooler of beer, and a sack of popcorn and peanuts....this has got to be good....


6 posted on 09/15/2005 4:28:46 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: RWR8189
I hope thesee idiots turn into butter...with their running around nose to a$$hole....Just like in "little black sambo"...

By the way....Little Black Sambo is bannned in the U.s....a beautiful non=racial child's story which was banned by uninteligent, racist morons.

7 posted on 09/15/2005 4:30:03 PM PDT by squirt-gun
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To: RWR8189

How funny. Hillary's desire to shut us down will have to be expanded, unless her "meetings" with these rabid dogs can co-opt them. But they are feeling pretty muscular right now, like the anti-war left in the 60's, and the clandestine support is still there. Get the popcorn indeed.


8 posted on 09/15/2005 4:30:12 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: My2Cents

A fight between the amoral power brokers and the nihilists.





Precisly. Ain't it great?


9 posted on 09/15/2005 4:31:10 PM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: My2Cents
Get the popcorn.

I brought two Party Paks!

10 posted on 09/15/2005 4:32:38 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: My2Cents
The message from the barking moonbats to their leadership:

Bark Louder!!!


11 posted on 09/15/2005 4:33:12 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: RWR8189

It's ridiculous to say it's not ideological. The politicos want to get re-elected and don't push the leftist agenda on issues where the left position is very unpopular. The bloggo leftists hate that.


12 posted on 09/15/2005 4:33:25 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: RWR8189
Fineman needs to lay off the Civil War metaphors. His use of them just confirms that he's a blithering idiot, though I'm sure he thinks he's very clever.

Then he just keeps beating himself over the head with the stupid stick with his cure for the democrat party, which is, to move even further to the left and give over the whole thing to the crazies.

13 posted on 09/15/2005 4:33:37 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: RWR8189

[BINGBINGBINGBINGBINGBINGBING!]

"Leeeeeeeeeeeet's get ready to rumblllllllllllllllle!!!"


14 posted on 09/15/2005 4:34:21 PM PDT by RichInOC ("The coffee is strong at Cafe du Monde, the doughnuts are too hot to touch..." Save the Big Greasy!)
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To: squirt-gun
Remember the restaurant chain Sambo's, it was run out of business years ago at the same time.
15 posted on 09/15/2005 4:35:12 PM PDT by Yellow Rose of Texas (WAR: 1/3 yes, 1/3 no, 1/3 undecided; So began the American Revolution)
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To: My2Cents

To some extent, we have the same problems with the Republicans. What the hell happened to fiscal responsibility with the transportation bill?


16 posted on 09/15/2005 4:35:37 PM PDT by linear (Repeal the Second Law of Thermodynamics!!)
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To: RWR8189

Fineman is not capable of writing or talking without lying.

This seems like a contrived story to me.


17 posted on 09/15/2005 4:41:33 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: RWR8189

Why do the Dems worship Kos? Just his saying that he didn't care about the killed Americans in Fallujah because they were "mercenary" contractors is enough to show the man does not possess a normal human decency.


18 posted on 09/15/2005 4:43:42 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: RWR8189
"the narrative is that the official Washington party has become like Vichy France.”"

It's the left-wing bloggers who bear the most resemblance to Vichy France!! I would usually jump to the forefront in bashing 'beltway' pols, but in this context the conflict is between far-left 'Rats who want the foreign policy of Vichy France and the more 'mainstream' party officials who are trying to preserve some fumes of viability. If the 'Rats continue to treat Michael Moore-on and Cindy Sheehan as 'mainstream' just because DU and DailyKos says so, then the party will eagerly slide off the cliff of electoral collapse for years to come....
19 posted on 09/15/2005 4:44:51 PM PDT by Enchante (Don't put up with Michael Moore-on's slanders anymore!)
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To: RWR8189
Rosenberg rejects that notion that the bloggers represent a new “Internet Left.” It’s not an ideological rift, he says, but a “narrative” of independence versus capitulation: too many Democrats here are too yielding to George W. Bush on the war in Iraq, on tax policy, you name it.

An example of "framing" at work. It looks a lot like a new "Internet Left" at work, but they don't want to say that (too divisive) so it gets its own spin as representative of "independence."

20 posted on 09/15/2005 4:48:10 PM PDT by x
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To: RWR8189
But, in the view of the Blogosphere, the DLC model is outmoded and dangerously accomodationist, in the manner of the allegedly independent, but in reality pro-Nazi, regime of wartime of France.

Note the implied comparison of Bush to Hitler and the Nazis.

21 posted on 09/15/2005 4:50:13 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: squirt-gun
By the way....Little Black Sambo is bannned in the U.s.

You can get the book in an altered form. The new Little Golden Book is called something like "A Boy and a Tiger" and the kids name is now Rajani.

22 posted on 09/15/2005 4:52:39 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: My2Cents

Much of what Fineman writes is also true of Reps, especially when it comes to being combative. We will see what happens on the next Sup Court appointment - the one after Roberts and thte one the Dems will try to block. Are the Reps combative enough to go nuclear? If not, we shouldn't be in power. Our blogs will rebel.


23 posted on 09/15/2005 4:53:40 PM PDT by uscabjd ( a)
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To: RichInOC
""Leeeeeeeeeeeet's get ready to rumblllllllllllllllle!!!""

More like screaming, crying, pulling hair, and slapping each other but we get the idea lol.

24 posted on 09/15/2005 4:55:34 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: uscabjd
Are the Reps combative enough to go nuclear? If not, we shouldn't be in power.

Yup

25 posted on 09/15/2005 4:57:09 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: RWR8189

Gee, which side do I choose? It's just like the Iraq/Iran war of the 80s....

Oh, I've GOT it, I choose MY side!


26 posted on 09/15/2005 4:59:28 PM PDT by decal ("The Republic was not established by cowards, and cowards will not preserve it")
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To: RWR8189

Hee Hee!


27 posted on 09/15/2005 5:00:58 PM PDT by marvlus
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To: decal

Capitol Steps Song from that Period:

(Sung to the tune of "Joy to the World")

Oil in the world
is under the gun.
Iraq attacked Iran!
Iran attacked Iraq, and then
Iraq attacked Iran again.
Repeat step number 1,
Repeat step number 2.
They've done it for years,
and so what else is new?

I still find it hilarious.


28 posted on 09/15/2005 5:04:21 PM PDT by Netheron
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To: RWR8189

The "blogosphere" will drive the rats even further left.
And Bob and Jane Taxpayer, along with their kids Billy and Erica, will grow even more disgusted with the Democrat Party and its agenda to bring Euro-style secular socialism to America and belittle the traditional family unit.


29 posted on 09/15/2005 5:07:13 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: My2Cents
A fight between the amoral power brokers and the nihilists.

These men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of.

31 posted on 09/15/2005 5:11:29 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: RWR8189
“What the blogs have developed is a narrative,” he told me the other day,” and the narrative is that the official Washington party has become like Vichy France.”

"Narrative" is code for "delusional". The writer's complaint is that DNC leadership is marginally less delusional than the party faithful.

Somehow this cheers me up.

32 posted on 09/15/2005 5:15:54 PM PDT by marron
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To: Jim Noble
Where do we send the Dean '08 money?

Nah, the real dark horse is the Draft Kucinich 2008 movement.

33 posted on 09/15/2005 5:16:16 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Tribune7
These men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of.

Never, NEVER underestimate nihilists.


34 posted on 09/15/2005 5:19:53 PM PDT by Jim Noble (In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: RWR8189

Won't be long before the leftist blogoshpere adds the term DINO to their lexicon.

The internet is enabling the extremes on both sides to have a far greater voice.


35 posted on 09/15/2005 5:23:19 PM PDT by sourcery (Givernment: The Democrat spelling for "government.")
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To: Jim Noble

Prediction: Dean will run in 08 and he will beat Hillary.


36 posted on 09/15/2005 5:28:15 PM PDT by maxter
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To: HarleyLady27; RWR8189; onyx; SandRat; Grampa Dave; marvlus; marron

I would say something like,

"Isn't amazing that the Democrat Party problems we were discussing on Free Republic five years ago are now being discovered by the Democrats themselves?"

only ... it really isn't very amazing. FR being 'way out in front of the libidiots on this type of subject has become pretty commonplace.

Personally, I've been enjoying my popcorn and cold duck at their expense for all five of these years... 'round about this here place we have had a word for it:

SCHADENFREUDE!!!


37 posted on 09/15/2005 5:32:26 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys
Care to Join me in a PARTY-PAK?

38 posted on 09/15/2005 5:35:22 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: RWR8189

Implosion. Only a matter of time.


39 posted on 09/15/2005 5:36:00 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: My2Cents
"A fight between the amoral power brokers and the nihilists."

- Fineman is just peeing into the wind with this drivel. The truth is that the power brokers and the nihilists value one thing above all else - political power. They would even agree to french kiss each other and unite behind Hitlery if they thought she could deliver it to them.
40 posted on 09/15/2005 5:36:06 PM PDT by finnigan2
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To: AFPhys


LOL! I'm with you all the way, save for the cold duck. Yucky stuff.


41 posted on 09/15/2005 5:36:09 PM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: RWR8189

Wow looks like both Reps and Dems have a war going between their Left and Right wings.


42 posted on 09/15/2005 5:43:59 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Professional Journalism the Buggy Whip makers of the 21st century)
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To: Enchante

"...the party will eagerly slide off the cliff of electoral collapse for years to come...."

One can only hope, eh? What amazes me the most is that these people actually believe that their far-left socialist agenda is something voters will respond to. They really think that Americans are desperate for higher taxes, more government control over their lives, and sub-standard, socialized services.


43 posted on 09/15/2005 5:46:50 PM PDT by Owl558 (Support the Troops)
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To: RWR8189

Fineman believes his own lies.


44 posted on 09/15/2005 5:49:29 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: RWR8189
In other words, it’s the Beltway versus the Blogosphere

Totally and completely incorrect. The battle will be between the Massachusettes liberal Kennedy branch of the party and the Clinton pseudomoderate criminal branch of the party. This has nothing to do with the Blogosphere and the Beltway.

45 posted on 09/15/2005 5:51:24 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: johniegrad

You win the kewpie doll. Watch Hillary the "moderate" battle Kucinich? Howler Dean? Heck, maybe Jerry Springer.


46 posted on 09/15/2005 6:25:57 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: maxter
Prediction: Dean will run in 08 and he will beat Hillary.

Of course he will.

Hillary is running as a Bull Moose Democrat with John McCain, anyway - the Democrat nomination is worthless, and she and Bill already know that very well.

47 posted on 09/15/2005 6:29:14 PM PDT by Jim Noble (In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: onyx

Wasn't there a story from the Daily Kos a while back saying they would "take down the DLC" sometime in mid-September?


48 posted on 09/15/2005 7:25:25 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: RWR8189
"What the blogs have developed is a narrative,” he told me the other day,” and the narrative is that the official Washington party has become like Vichy France.”

The "narrative" is a series of tin-foil-hat conspiracy theory, obscene Bush-bashing, and a complete lack of sanity, truthfulness and reason.

Great way to send liberalism off a cliff.

49 posted on 09/15/2005 7:36:40 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: expatpat

BTTT


50 posted on 09/15/2005 7:47:05 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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