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Katrina Educates World On Need For Owning Guns
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Posted on 09/15/2005 8:16:08 PM PDT by Happy2BMe

Katrina Educates World On Need For Owning Guns

by Erich Pratt

"All our operators are busy right now. Please remain on the line and an operator will be with you shortly. Your call is important to us."

Can you imagine any words more horrifying after dialing 9-1-1? Your life's in danger, but there's no one available to help you.

For several days in September, life was absolutely terrifying for many New Orleans residents who got stranded in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. There were no operators... there were no phone calls being handled.

Heck, there was no 9-1-1. Even if the phone lines had been working, there were no police officers waiting to be dispatched.

Hundreds of New Orleans police officers had fled the city. Some took their badges and threw them out the windows of their cars as they sped away. Others participated in the looting of the city.

While there were many officers who acted honorably -- even apprehending dangerous thugs while grieving the loss of their own family members -- most residents were forced to fend for themselves.

Many did so successfully, using their own firearms, until New Orleans Police Commissioner Edwin Compass III issued the order to confiscate their guns.

Anti-gun zealots confiscate firearms from law-abiding citizens

On September 8, several news outlets began reporting that officials in New Orleans were confiscating firearms... not from looters, but from law-abiding citizens who legally owned firearms!

"No one will be able to be armed," said Deputy Chief Warren Riley. "We are going to take all the weapons."

It was like a scene out of the former Soviet Union or Communist China.

The Associated Press quoted Compass, the police commissioner, as saying, "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons."

Well, there you have it. Given the chance, gun control advocates will always implement their real agenda -- confiscation of firearms from everyone... except the police!

ABC News video on September 8 showed National Guard troops going house-to-house, smashing down doors, searching for residents, and confiscating guns. Every victim of disarmament was clearly not a thug or looter, but a decent resident wanting to defend his or her home.

Many of the troops were clearly conflicted by their orders. "It is surreal," said one member of the Oklahoma National Guard who was going door-to-door in New Orleans. "You never expect to do this in your own country."

Many never would have expected it -- confiscating firearms from decent people who were relying on those firearms to protect themselves from the looters.

It was an outrageous order -- one that should not have been obeyed. There was no constitutional authority for the directive, and it ignored the fact that many good people had already used firearms to successfully defend their lives and property.

Guns were saving lives and protecting property prior to the confiscation order

As flood waters started rising in New Orleans, a wave of violence rolled through the city.

"It was pandemonium for a couple of nights," said Charlie Hackett, a New Orleans resident. "We just felt that when [looters] got done with the stores, they’d come to the homes."

Hackett was right... which is why he and his neighbor, John Carolan, stood guard over their homes to ward off looters who, rummaging through the neighborhoods, were smashing windows and ransacking stores.

Armed looters did eventually come to Carolan's house and demanded his generator. But Carolan showed them his gun and they left.

No wonder then that gun stores, which weren't under water, were selling firearms at a record pace to people looking to defend themselves. "I've got people like you wouldn't believe, lots of people, coming in and buying handguns," said Briley Reed, the assistant manager of the E-Z Pawn store in Baton Rouge.

"I've even had soldiers coming in here buying guns," Reed said.

Makeshift militias patrol neighborhoods

In the Algiers neighborhood of New Orleans, dozens of neighbors banded together to protect their neighborhood.

"There's about 20 or 30 guys in addition to us. We know all of them and where they are," Gregg Harris said. "People armed themselves so quickly, rallying together. I think it's why [our] neighborhood survived."

Harris isn't joking about the armaments. A gun battle erupted one afternoon between armed neighbors and looters. Two of the thugs were shot.

Since then, no more looters have bothered the neighborhood. But the neighbors aren't letting their guard down. They all take their turn keeping watch.

Gareth Stubbs sits in a rocking chair on his front porch, holding his shotgun and a bottle of bug spray.

In another home, a 74-year old mother keeps the following near the bed: her rosary, a shotgun and a 38-caliber pistol.

Vinnie Pervel and two other volunteers man a balcony-turned-watchtower with five borrowed shotguns, a pistol, a flare gun, and old AK-47 and loads of ammunition.

To be sure, many of the weapons were borrowed from neighbors who fled before the storm hit. Pervel and Harris did not have any working firearms themselves in the aftermath of the storm. But because Pervel had been keeping in contact (via phone) with neighbors who had already evacuated, he got permission to go into the vacant homes and get his neighbors' weapons.

"I never thought I'd be going into my neighbor's house and taking their guns," Pervel said. "We wrote down what gun came from what house so we can return them when they get back."

Firearms were a hot commodity

It would be an understatement to say that firearms were the hottest commodity in the days following the massive destruction. In Gulf Port, Mississippi, Ron Roland, 51, lost everything -- three homes, four cars, a bait-and-tackle shop and a boat. It was all destroyed by Hurricane Katrina.

Nevertheless, Roland was determined to salvage what he could amidst the rubble -- with or without police protection. And it's a good thing, too, because there would be no such thing as "police protection" in the days following the storm.

Standing guard over one of his homes with a handgun in his waistband, Roland used his firearm to stop looters from rummaging through his storm-damaged property.

Roland and his son even performed a citizen's arrest on one plunderer and then warned future thieves by posting the following message in his yard: "NO TRESPASSERS! ARMED HOMEOWNERS."

Signs like this were common throughout the Gulf Coast region in the days following Katrina.

Unfortunately, some people had to learn the hard way about the utility of keeping firearms for protection.

Water, food... but what about guns?

The managers at the Covenant Home nursing center in New Orleans were more than prepared to ride out the hurricane. They had food and supplies to last the 80 residents for more than ten days.

They had planned for every contingency... or so they thought.

"We had excellent plans. We had enough food for 10 days," said Peggy Hoffman, the home's Executive Director.

But they had no firearms. So when carjackers hijacked the home's bus and drove by the center shouting "Get out!" to the residents, they were completely helpless.

All of the residents, most of them in wheelchairs, were evacuated to other nursing homes in the state.

Hoffman says she has now learned her lesson.

Next time, "We'll have to equip our department heads with guns and teach them how to shoot," she said.

Thank goodness someone is learning from their mistakes.

Does anyone remember Los Angeles?

We should have learned this lesson more than ten years ago when the entire country saw horrifying images coming out of Los Angeles.

If the riots of 1992 taught us anything, it is that the police can't always be there to protect us.

For several days, that city was in complete turmoil as stores were looted and burned. Motorists were dragged from their cars and beaten.

Further aggravating the situation, police were very slow in responding to the crisis. Many Guardsmen, after being mobilized to the affected areas, sat by and watched the violence because their rifles were low on ammunition.

But not everybody in Los Angeles suffered. In some of the hot spots, Korean merchants were able to successfully protect their stores with semi-automatic firearms.

In areas where armed citizens banded together for self-protection, their businesses were spared while others (which were left unprotected) burned to the ground.

The pictures of Korean merchants defending their stores left quite an impression on one group of people living in Los Angeles: those who had previously identified themselves as gun control advocates.

Press reports described how life-long gun control supporters were even running to gun stores to buy an item they never thought they would need -- a gun. Tragically, they were surprised (and outraged!) to learn there was a 15-day waiting period upon firearms.

Confiscating guns puts people at risk

Fast forward more than a decade, it seems that many folks still haven't learned the lessons from previous tragedies. If the Mayor and his cronies really wanted to help the decent citizens of New Orleans, they would have been issuing people firearms instead of taking them away.

These guns were the only thing that prevented many good folks from becoming victims in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Now that residents are disarmed, will the Mayor provide 24-hour, round-the-clock protection for each of these disarmed families? Will he make himself personally liable for anyone who is injured or killed as a result of being prevented from defending himself or his family?

When your life is in danger, you don't want to rely on a police force that is stretched way too thin. And the last thing you want to hear when you call 9-1-1 is, "All our operators are busy right now...."

That might just be the last thing you ever hear.


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1 posted on 09/15/2005 8:16:15 PM PDT by Happy2BMe
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"No one will be able to be armed," said Deputy Chief Warren Riley. "We are going to take all the weapons."

2 posted on 09/15/2005 8:18:16 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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3 posted on 09/15/2005 8:20:04 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Happy2BMe
Maybe if we could just reason with the lowlifes, they'll only take our stuff, rape our women, and spare our lives...
4 posted on 09/15/2005 8:23:33 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Fines for excess bleeding.)
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To: Happy2BMe

Bump!


5 posted on 09/15/2005 8:23:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Happy2BMe

The emergency numbers I dial are .30 and .45.


6 posted on 09/15/2005 8:26:21 PM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: BenLurkin

Did you ever think it would come to this?


7 posted on 09/15/2005 8:28:03 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Happy2BMe

You have to make a hard decision as a lawfully armed citizen. It is up to you to resist unlawful confiscation of your protection, no way around it. It's your decision but it must be made. Now is the time for the reckoning of those that acted unlawfully.

No one has that authority to summarily confiscate weapons from lawful citizens on their own property or protecting their property if no crime has been committed. So, what are we going to do?? I think it's past time to take action. Sorry, but if the NG was wrong, then they need to be held accountable, if the N.O.P.D., then suits must be filed. Tough times need tough citizens. This ain't easy but our founding fathers knew that...


8 posted on 09/15/2005 8:28:30 PM PDT by brushcop (We lift up our military serving in harm's way and pray for total victory and a safe return.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Please list recommended arms one should have in order of importance/acquisition.

Residence in City, family consisting of two adults (not necesarily the same sex) and one or more children of ages 8 and greater.

9 posted on 09/15/2005 8:30:27 PM PDT by Paladin2 (MSM rioted over Katrina and looted the truth)
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To: brushcop

One more point: Notice that he said "no one will be armed". Well, that's a lie right there, the thugs and snipers are already armed--NEXT POINT?? Meanwhile, he's just disarmed honest folks and made them vulnerable to the thugs which he did NOT disarm. What an idiot.


10 posted on 09/15/2005 8:30:33 PM PDT by brushcop (We lift up our military serving in harm's way and pray for total victory and a safe return.)
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To: billnaz
The emergency numbers I dial are .30 and .45.

Dial? You mean a steady, repeated pull...right? ;-)
11 posted on 09/15/2005 8:31:07 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: brushcop; Happy2BMe; Travis McGee
It is up to you to resist unlawful confiscation of your protection, no way around it.

The Art of the Cache

12 posted on 09/15/2005 8:31:27 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Happy2BMe

NVA's disaster plan updated to include more ammo and a backup for the Mossberg Persuader. Oh, and more range time.


13 posted on 09/15/2005 8:32:20 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: Happy2BMe

14 posted on 09/15/2005 8:35:34 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Paladin2
Survival Weapons

...and again

15 posted on 09/15/2005 8:35:42 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Happy2BMe
"Katrina Educates World On Need For Owning Guns"

The Rodney King riots did it for me.

16 posted on 09/15/2005 8:37:59 PM PDT by blam
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To: NonValueAdded
a backup for the Mossberg Persuader.

Someone on another thread mentioned a Mossberg 590. I looked around on the web and saw some Mossberg 590 Compact Cruisers.

I have to admit it was the first weapon that ever attracted me. Is there such a thing as gun porn? I mean I just stared at the pics and thought, 'Yeah, baby.'

I figure this is normal for guys, but for 50 year old moms? Do I need a therapist?

17 posted on 09/15/2005 8:38:42 PM PDT by radiohead (Proud member of the 'arrogant supermagt')
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To: radiohead

maybe a gunsmith that makes housecalls :)


18 posted on 09/15/2005 8:39:56 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: hiredhand

"Dial? You mean a steady, repeated pull...right? ;-)"

Either way, anybody who tries to break into my home will get the message. And when I'm traveling, for me 911 has a 1 in front of it, as in M1911. I carried one part of the time I was in the army and grew very fond of it. Mine is actually a Series 80, with the white dots on the front and rear sights. Other than that it's just like my old familiar M1911A1.


19 posted on 09/15/2005 8:42:15 PM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: radiohead

LOL ! ...No, you're OK. It's just that you are hardwired to defend your nest.


20 posted on 09/15/2005 8:43:28 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: brushcop

>>>You have to make a hard decision <<<<<


Why your doomed to fail if you go that route.

It need to be WE!

Need I say more.


21 posted on 09/15/2005 8:45:46 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: NonValueAdded
maybe a gunsmith that makes housecalls

Sounds good. The Widow Radiohead could do with a gentleman caller who knows the difference between his weapon and his gun.

22 posted on 09/15/2005 8:48:11 PM PDT by radiohead (Proud member of the 'arrogant supermagt')
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To: Mr. Mojo

Thanks for posting that old "Art of the Cache!"


23 posted on 09/15/2005 8:49:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: investigateworld
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Say hello to my little friend.

24 posted on 09/15/2005 8:52:32 PM PDT by radiohead (Proud member of the 'arrogant supermagt')
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To: radiohead
Say ello to my littler friend.
25 posted on 09/15/2005 8:54:58 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: billnaz
Either way, anybody who tries to break into my home will get the message. And when I'm traveling, for me 911 has a 1 in front of it, as in M1911. I carried one part of the time I was in the army and grew very fond of it. Mine is actually a Series 80, with the white dots on the front and rear sights. Other than that it's just like my old familiar M1911A1.

I've got a Colt Series 80 as well! It's a FANTASTIC shooter! ....very accurate for a semi-auto handgun.

I've got electronic sights on all the rifles in the house that we use for defensive purposes, but I DO NEED to get some better sights on this Colt of mine! The factory sights are on it, and they're about useless in low light. I've practiced a LOT with this weapon though, and (generally) so long as I can see the top of the slide, I can strike relatively small areas at 50 feet in low light. But I'd still like some better sights. :-)

My philosophy is the same. An intruder, or an attempting intruder is probably not going to survive the encounter here. I have absolutely no intention of dialing 911 nor does anybody else in my family. If rounds are fired, somebody is going to be on the floor, expired when the EMTs and cops show up. It's a harsh stand, but the correct and appropriate one!
26 posted on 09/15/2005 8:55:32 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Travis McGee
It's an excellent reference.

Would you update any of the material if you were to post it now?

27 posted on 09/15/2005 8:56:25 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: radiohead

Do you need a therapist? Heck NO! You need something to shoot!

You need range time!

Go forth! Have fun...and learn to protect that family of yours.


28 posted on 09/15/2005 8:58:00 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

It's going to be interesting to see how gun owners are going to handle their missing guns when they get back home. I doubt any of them will ever see them again. Cops can always use them as throw downs. :o)


29 posted on 09/15/2005 9:00:42 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (PRAY FOR THE HURRICANE VICTIMS AND RESCUE WORKERS!)
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To: brushcop
You got to know that a police department as corrupt and the NO police have gang ties, so the gangs won't be touched. I didn't see anyone taking on the thugs in the early going. And only when absolutely necessary, later on. The goons are still there armed and dangerous, sitting on the loot.. Only a fool would want to return with out back up.
30 posted on 09/15/2005 9:02:15 PM PDT by oyez
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To: hiredhand

I've never fired my Series 80/M1911 in low light conditions, and hope I never have to. And you're right, the Series 80 is a very accurate semiauto. When I took the concealed carry course I had a great instructor who showed me everything I was doing wrong. Even though I'm not the best pistol shot in the world (always preferred long guns) I got 20 out of 20 with 2 head shots in the silhouette when I qualified.


31 posted on 09/15/2005 9:12:13 PM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: radiohead

Excellent, that will work.


32 posted on 09/15/2005 9:12:13 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: billnaz
The emergency numbers I dial are .30 and .45.

Ours is: 357, 9mm, 12ga.

33 posted on 09/15/2005 9:17:05 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Happy2BMe

H2,That is good.


34 posted on 09/15/2005 9:18:03 PM PDT by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: Mr. Mojo; BOBWADE; Mrs Zip
Forget the Second Amendment, it isn't relevent. BULL S**T.My copy of the US Constitution does not give the "authorities" the right to steal weapons from citizens. Where did these gungrabbing idiots come up with their "authority"?

WAKE UP AMERICA

35 posted on 09/15/2005 9:22:32 PM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough become truth to 48% of all Americans (NRA))
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To: Happy2BMe
You have to answer door with the right gun.
36 posted on 09/15/2005 9:23:06 PM PDT by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: quietolong
Why your doomed to fail if you go that route.

Whom? Or is that you're?

Sort of like like their and there.

Me two, or is that to, or too?

37 posted on 09/15/2005 9:23:57 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Happy2BMe

mine dials Remington 12 Gauge =)


38 posted on 09/15/2005 9:24:42 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: hiredhand

Low light calls for OO buckshot!!


39 posted on 09/15/2005 9:24:54 PM PDT by midnightson (Mama-the ultimate prognosticator- said there'd be days like this.)
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To: Cinnamon

and you know what? NO is a prime example of liberal socialism crap. this is what goverment is like under dems.. total chaos and the law abiding citizen always get shafted


40 posted on 09/15/2005 9:26:33 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: midnightson
Low light calls for OO buckshot!!

Yeah...that will work! I've got a Pelican M-6 20kcp weapons light on my primary (STG-58...a.k.a. FN-FAL), but in low light, electronic and Tritium sights are very good. :-)
41 posted on 09/15/2005 9:29:35 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: NonValueAdded; Mr. Mojo

How will the NRA react to this?


42 posted on 09/15/2005 9:33:18 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Travis McGee; All; Mr. Mojo
Bush says he may need more power in disasters
 

WASHINGTON — President Bush on Monday urged Congress to examine whether the White House needs stronger powers to deal with catastrophes like Hurricane Katrina.

Bush’s backing for the congressional inquiry raised the possibility that lawmakers might expand presidential authority to:

  • Order mandatory civilian evacuations

  • Dispatch U.S.-based armed forces for emergency search-and-rescue operations

  • Grant wider leeway for active-duty U.S. military personnel to carry out law enforcement operations.

43 posted on 09/15/2005 9:36:29 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Boazo

#36 - crackin' up here . .


44 posted on 09/15/2005 9:37:09 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: billnaz
I've never fired my Series 80/M1911 in low light conditions, and hope I never have to. And you're right, the Series 80 is a very accurate semiauto. When I took the concealed carry course I had a great instructor who showed me everything I was doing wrong. Even though I'm not the best pistol shot in the world (always preferred long guns) I got 20 out of 20 with 2 head shots in the silhouette when I qualified.

I've never fired mine for defensive/offensive purposes. Only practice...including low light. I also prefer long(er) weapons. I've always liked .30 caliber and 6mm rifles that smack small targets at 800 yards, and I've got a few that will this, plus some better. :-)

I know I'm going to take heat for saying this, but I've always generally thought of handguns as "glorified slingshots". I know there are exceptions like Remington's XP-100, and the Thompson Contender. Even still, I LIKE the Colt Series 80, and wouldn't part with it easily.
45 posted on 09/15/2005 9:39:15 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Happy2BMe; radiohead
How will the NRA react to this?

What, to NVA's beautiful S&W Model 65, Radiohead's lust for a shotgun, or to the NO gun grab? If it is the latter, they were late in responding but they finally got on the correct side of the issue. See NRA Statement on New Orleans Gun Confiscations.

46 posted on 09/15/2005 9:40:43 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: Mr. Mojo; LongElegantLegs; BenLurkin; billnaz; brushcop; Paladin2; hiredhand; Travis McGee; ...

After staying up protecting their neighborhood from looters, Algier's Point resident Gareth Stubbs gets some sleep next to an arsenal of guns. The men slept outdoors on a balcony and heard gunfire on their streets every night following the storm.

Brudley Kibodeaux keeps a watchful eye as firefighters fight a fire in the Bywater Wednesday, 9/07/2005 in New Orleans.

* * *

Military Take-Over Of New Orleans A Harbinger Of The Future?

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Are we willing to allow military forces to go house to house confiscating firearms (which they are doing in New Orleans)?

In short, are we ready to discard constitutional government and turn America into a police state?

* * *

Holdouts to Be Removed From New Orleans

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Amid Katrina Chaos, Congressman Used National Guard to Visit Home


47 posted on 09/15/2005 9:45:21 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: NonValueAdded; Mr. Mojo; Travis McGee; Boazo; Mulder
#46 - thanks for that sir.

(And thanks to NRA President LaPierre for having the guts to speak out during this nightmare.)

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National Rifle Association leader Wayne LaPierre slammed New Orleans authorities Monday for seizing legal firearms from lawful residents.

"What we’ve seen in Louisiana - the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster - is exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves, " LaPierre said.


48 posted on 09/15/2005 9:48:52 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Happy2BMe

Second Amendment bump!

I've got mine...and I will use it.

I've had to threaten to before.
They knew I meant it...


49 posted on 09/15/2005 9:55:04 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Virtute et armis" - By valor and arms)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Very nice! It must be a weapon for guys; my son got quite turned on. : )


50 posted on 09/15/2005 10:11:12 PM PDT by radiohead (Proud member of the 'arrogant supermagt')
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