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Tony Blair Pulls the Plug on Kyoto at Clinton Summit
TechCentralStation.com ^ | 09-16-05 | James Pinkerton

Posted on 09/16/2005 7:17:20 AM PDT by EarthStomper

NEW YORK - Kyoto Treaty RIP. That's not the headline in any newspaper this morning emerging from the first day of the Clinton Global Initiative, but it could have been -- and should have been.

Onstage with former president Bill Clinton at a midtown Manhattan hotel ballroom, British Prime Minister Tony Blair said he was going to speak with "brutal honesty" about Kyoto and global warming, and he did. And Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had some blunt talk, too.

Blair, a longtime supporter of the Kyoto treaty, further prefaced his remarks by noting, "My thinking has changed in the past three or four years." So what does he think now? "No country, he declared, "is going to cut its growth." That is, no country is going to allow the Kyoto treaty, or any other such global-warming treaty, to crimp -- some say cripple -- its economy.

Looking ahead to future climate-change negotiations, Blair said of such fast-growing countries as India and China, "They're not going to start negotiating another treaty like Kyoto." India and China, of course, weren't covered by Kyoto in the first place, which was one of the fatal flaws in the treaty. But now Blair is acknowledging the obvious: that after the current Kyoto treaty -- which the US never acceded to -- expires in 2012, there's not going to be another worldwide deal like it.

So what will happen instead? Blair answered: "What countries will do is work together to develop the science and technology….There is no way that we are going to tackle this problem unless we develop the science and technology to do it." Bingo! That's what eco-realists have been saying all along, of course -- that the only feasible way to deal with the issue of greenhouse gases and global warming is through technological breakthroughs, not draconian cutbacks.

Blair concluded with a rhetorical question-and-answer: "How do we move forward, post-Kyoto? It can only be done by the major players coming together and pooling their resources, to find their way to come together."

Interestingly, these words from Blair, addressing an audience of a thousand at the Sheraton just a few blocks north of Times Square, failed to get any pickup in the media. Even The New York Times, published just down the street, ran a story that dwelt on the star power in the room, including King Abdullah of Jordan, Jesse Jackson, and George Stephanopoulos. "Isn't this awesome?" said one participant, and those words seemed to reflect fully the Times' take on the event.

For its part The Washington Post offered this bland headline: "Clinton Gathers World Leaders Nonpartisan Conference Focuses on Global Improvement," making no mention of Blair's global warming remarks. As for TV coverage, there wasn't much of that either; on CNN Headline News, Christi Paul said, admiringly, "former President Clinton is still looking to get things done," noting that Clinton garnered "more than $200 million in pledges" to address world problems.

Ironically, some of those pledges concerned global warming. The 42nd President kicked off his wonky-glitzy extravaganza by announcing that the event would be "climate neutral." That is, the CGI -- or, more precisely, a couple of fatcats who ponied up money to get some onstage face time with Clinton -- would "offset" the CO2 produced by this event by "investing in renewable energy projects in Native American lands and in rural Nigerian villages." But such eco-pious symbolism aside, the real news of the conference so far has come from Blair.

The Prime Minister, has long been pushing, of course, for a binding international treaty on climate change. It's one part of the Eurolefty agenda he has traditionally kept faith with. In a policy-setting speech in September 2004, for example, he laid out an ambitious agenda, declaring that "Kyoto is only the first step but provides a solid foundation for the next stage of climate diplomacy."

Indeed, the widely held view was that Blair would "cash in" his geopolitical chits -- that is, those he gained with George W. Bush over his support for the Iraq war, in order to get the Texan to sign on to some form of Kyoto. But even before the Gleneagles G-8 summit in July, it seemed pretty clear that Bush was not going to go along with Blair's deal; in fact, Bush rebuffed Blair. Nonetheless, as recently as a September 4 op-ed in The Financial Times, Blair still sounded optimistic, declaring, "We made substantial progress on climate change at Gleneagles." But now Blair has buried Kyoto a little bit deeper. One of these days, the press will notice.

And there was some potentially significant news from Condi Rice, who was also onstage all this time, sitting with Clinton and Blair in an Oprah-like format. Speaking of world energy policy for the future, Rice said, "Nuclear power is going to have to be part of the mix." Imagine that -- nuclear power! That's been the Bush administration view all along, of course, but the W. folks haven't gotten very far in resuscitating the industry. Yet if Blair is starting to show realism on Kyoto, he and other leaders around the world will see that nukes have to be part of the energy solution.

Indeed, Rice added, "France generates something like 80 percent of its electricity from nuclear power." That's probably the first time in ages that a Bush administration official has had anything positive to say about France. Rice acknowledged "proliferation risks" from nuclear power, but made it a clear that something had to be done. "In the fast-developing world," she concluded, "we have to find a way to leverage all power [sources]."

For his part, Clinton was his usual self, declaring to Rice, "In general, I agree with you about that" -- without ever saying what he was agreeing with. And the 42nd President gave no reaction to Blair's provocative Kyoto revisionism.

In fact, nobody seems to have reacted to what Blair said. But that's OK. TCS readers have this significant scoop. And as for the rest of the world, it will soon understand that Blair has effectively pulled the plug on Kyoto.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blair; globalwarming; kyoto

1 posted on 09/16/2005 7:17:21 AM PDT by EarthStomper
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To: EarthStomper
Blair, a longtime supporter of the Kyoto treaty, further prefaced his remarks by noting, "My thinking has changed in the past three or four years." So what does he think now? "No country, he declared, "is going to cut its growth." That is, no country is going to allow the Kyoto treaty, or any other such global-warming treaty, to crimp -- some say cripple -- its economy.

Because Kyoto will bankrupt countries

2 posted on 09/16/2005 7:19:50 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: EarthStomper
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Al Gore, reached for comment, had this to say.

"I invented the Kyoto treaty."
3 posted on 09/16/2005 7:20:49 AM PDT by highlymotivated (If American ever falls, a STINKING LIBERAL will be behind it.)
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To: EarthStomper

The only way "science" and "technology" will have an effect on global warming would be to have it alter the natural course of climate dynamics. So who really is talking about altering the envirornnment on a global scale?


4 posted on 09/16/2005 7:23:44 AM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Mo1
For his part, Clinton was his usual self, declaring to Rice, "In general, I agree with you about that" -- without ever saying what he was agreeing with. And the 42nd President gave no reaction to Blair's provocative Kyoto revisionism.

This is SO Clinton!

5 posted on 09/16/2005 7:25:44 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
This is SO Clinton!

Where truth is created and not sought.

6 posted on 09/16/2005 7:27:06 AM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: EarthStomper
The problem I have with the Global warming crowd is that they don't blame it on human activity so much as they blame it on American activity.

You'd think these people have never been to Hamburg, Amsterdam, Dehli, or most of the major cities in India and China.

No, to them Global Warming and Kyoto are instruments for attacking the U.S., so they can all KMA.
7 posted on 09/16/2005 7:27:08 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Ham & Eggs: A day's work for a hen, A lifetime commitment for a pig.)
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To: EarthStomper

During his Di-wedded years, Prince Charles got this whole activist-environmental thing going. His parents had him traveling the world poo-pooing American industries contracted around the globe. He was practically voice-sexing the UN crowd with anti-industry crapola.

Ever since she died he has been quite silent on the matter.


8 posted on 09/16/2005 7:28:51 AM PDT by Mrs. Shawnlaw (Rock beats scissors. Don't run with rocks. NRA)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

Well, that depends on what the definition of "that" is.


9 posted on 09/16/2005 7:29:34 AM PDT by i_dont_chat (Our President's intervention saved lives.)
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To: EarthStomper

Bump


10 posted on 09/16/2005 7:30:20 AM PDT by c-b 1
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To: highlymotivated

that's an old photo of Gore - anyone got an up-to-date photo? I'm curious about how fat he has gotten.


11 posted on 09/16/2005 7:30:23 AM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: EarthStomper

Bookmark and bump!
Thanks for posting.


12 posted on 09/16/2005 7:31:07 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Shocker! My son's political science prof is a Republican!...developing....)
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To: Archon of the East
Some things never change. He was worthless and ineffectual as President and still is as ex President. People accepted it from him as President and people still accept it from him as ex President. The Ex Mr. No-Pants President is the biggest pile of doo we ever stepped in and he won't go away soon enough.
13 posted on 09/16/2005 7:33:16 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

"This is SO Clinton!"

Did he try to molest Condi?


14 posted on 09/16/2005 7:34:44 AM PDT by BadAndy (Yes liberals, I DO question your patriotism.)
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To: EarthStomper
About time someone from the Bush Administration mentioned nuclear power. I have been preaching the benefits for the last 25 years. We need more plants now, not in 15 years. Come on George Bush do what you are being paid for. You can be sure that the lefties that control the MSM will realize what Condi said and will really start to scream bloody murder. Of course the left will also blame President Bush for influencing Tony Blair away from their pet project.

Oh BTW, where was algore during this so-called conference? Asleep at the switch as usual?
15 posted on 09/16/2005 7:35:13 AM PDT by stan_25 (If you canít run with the big dogs, stay on the porch)
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To: EarthStomper

Whoa! Good for Blair. What an excellent article.


16 posted on 09/16/2005 7:39:40 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: EarthStomper

"Clinton was his usual self, declaring to Rice, "In general, I agree with you about that" -- without ever saying what he was agreeing with."

AH -- the old Kerry defense -- "I agreed with it before I disagreed with it."


17 posted on 09/16/2005 7:45:24 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

That's because it has never been an issue about greenhouse gasses. As a climatologist, I can tell you that the climate has changed dozens of times, long before man was here. The Kyoto Agreement is the UN attempt to put an international tax (that they control) on the American people. It is interesting to note that the UN is also trying to put an international tax (that they control) on the internet. This country was formed on the basis of NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. Europe was formed on the basis of TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION, and they are trying to jam their system of government down our throats.


18 posted on 09/16/2005 7:46:18 AM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: EarthStomper
Thanks for the post. Once again, we have needed to simply bide our time until the world sees what is really going on. Too bad our liberals could not be as honest as Blair has been.
19 posted on 09/16/2005 7:47:54 AM PDT by Amalie (FREEDOM had NEVER been another word for nothing left to lose...)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
"The problem I have with the Global warming crowd is that they don't blame it on human activity so much as they blame it on American activity."

Ditto. And I have a problem with the fact that if man completely eliminated his production of greenhouse gases, the science still might not be able to measure the difference. Those who doubt this assertion will have to explain that so far the measured differences are not adequate to prove that global warming is occurring rather than be modeled.

20 posted on 09/16/2005 7:49:19 AM PDT by Reaganghost (Democrats are living proof that you can fool some of the people all of the time.)
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To: EarthStomper

Bill Clinton seeks global power. He is out to win the hearts and minds with the help of world wide CNN.


21 posted on 09/16/2005 7:49:54 AM PDT by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's Code and found a terrorist message)
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To: SMARTY
Well that just depends on what doo means.LOL!! But if you are implying that his speak is worthless in a post modern sense then I would say stepping in doo probably doesn't go far enough. Hillary is worse though. She is doo doo, butt of course she has more to work with from that end.
22 posted on 09/16/2005 7:49:54 AM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: EarthStomper

Leading scientific journals 'are censoring debate on global warming'
By Robert Matthews
(Filed: 01/05/2005)

Two of the world's leading scientific journals have come under fire from researchers for refusing to publish papers which challenge fashionable wisdom over global warming.

A British authority on natural catastrophes who disputed whether climatologists really agree that the Earth is getting warmer because of human activity, says his work was rejected by the American publication, Science, on the flimsiest of grounds. He disagrees with the pro-global warming line.

A separate team of climate scientists, which was regularly used by Science and the journal Nature to review papers on the progress of global warming, said it was dropped after attempting to publish its own research which raised doubts over the issue.

The controversy follows the publication by Science in December of a paper which claimed to have demonstrated complete agreement among climate experts, not only that global warming is a genuine phenomenon, but also that mankind is to blame.

The author of the research, Dr Naomi Oreskes, of the University of California, analysed almost 1,000 papers on the subject published since the early 1990s, and concluded that 75 per cent of them either explicitly or implicitly backed the consensus view, while none directly dissented from it.

Dr Oreskes's study is now routinely cited by those demanding action on climate change, including the Royal Society and Prof Sir David King, the Government's chief scientific adviser.

However, her unequivocal conclusions immediately raised suspicions among other academics, who knew of many papers that dissented from the pro-global warming line.

They included Dr Benny Peiser, a senior lecturer in the science faculty at Liverpool John Moores University, who decided to conduct his own analysis of the same set of 1,000 documents - and concluded that only one third backed the consensus view, while only one per cent did so explicitly.

Dr Peiser submitted his findings to Science in January, and was asked to edit his paper for publication - but has now been told that his results have been rejected on the grounds that the points he make had been "widely dispersed on the internet".

Dr Peiser insists that he has kept his findings strictly confidential. "It is simply not true that they have appeared elsewhere already," he said.

A spokesman for Science said Dr Peiser's research had been rejected "for a variety of reasons", adding: "The information in the letter was not perceived to be novel."

Dr Peiser rejected this: "As the results from my analysis refuted the original claims, I believe Science has a duty to publish them."

Dr Peiser is not the only academic to have had work turned down which criticises the findings of Dr Oreskes's study. Prof Dennis Bray, of the GKSS National Research Centre in Geesthacht, Germany, submitted results from an international study showing that fewer than one in 10 climate scientists believed that climate change is principally caused by human activity.

As with Dr Peiser's study, Science refused to publish his rebuttal. Prof Bray told The Telegraph: "They said it didn't fit with what they were intending to publish."

Prof Roy Spencer, at the University of Alabama, a leading authority on satellite measurements of global temperatures, told The Telegraph: "It's pretty clear that the editorial board of Science is more interested in promoting papers that are pro-global warming. It's the news value that is most important."

He said that after his own team produced research casting doubt on man-made global warming, they were no longer sent papers by Nature and Science for review - despite being acknowledged as world leaders in the field.

As a result, says Prof Spencer, flawed research is finding its way into the leading journals, while attempts to get rebuttals published fail. "Other scientists have had the same experience", he said. "The journals have a small set of reviewers who are pro-global warming."

Concern about bias within climate research has spread to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, whose findings are widely cited by those calling for drastic action on global warming.

In January, Dr Chris Landsea, an expert on hurricanes with the United States National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, resigned from the IPCC, claiming that it was "motivated by pre-conceived agendas" and was "scientifically unsound".

A spokesman for Science denied any bias against sceptics of man-made global warming. "You will find in our letters that there is a wide range of opinion," she said. "We certainly seek to cover dissenting views."

Dr Philip Campbell, the editor-in-chief of Nature, said that the journal was always happy to publish papers that go against perceived wisdom, as long as they are of acceptable scientific quality.

"The idea that we would conspire to suppress science that undermines the idea of anthropogenic climate change is both false and utterly naive about what makes journals thrive," he said.

Dr Peiser said the stifling of dissent and preoccupation with doomsday scenarios is bringing climate research into disrepute. "There is a fear that any doubt will be used by politicians to avoid action," he said. "But if political considerations dictate what gets published, it's all over for science."


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23 posted on 09/16/2005 7:51:59 AM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui (Global Warming- Neotrotskyite Carnival Hoax)
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To: EarthStomper
..Kyoto summit conference last year when penquins refused to melt...bummer
24 posted on 09/16/2005 8:58:28 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui
Dr Peiser said the stifling of dissent and preoccupation with doomsday scenarios is bringing climate research into disrepute. "There is a fear that any doubt will be used by politicians to avoid action," he said. "But if political considerations dictate what gets published, it's all over for science."

...there is honest science and dishonest science....caveat emptor...

25 posted on 09/16/2005 9:18:14 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: richardtavor

Well put.


26 posted on 09/18/2005 7:43:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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