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CA: Abortion opponents hope to limit access for California girls (Prop 73)
AP: North County Times ^ | LISA LEFF

Posted on 09/17/2005 9:11:05 PM PDT by calcowgirl

SAN FRANCISCO -- Abortion opponents in California have tried for over two decades to make it harder for girls to terminate pregnancies without their parents' knowledge. In the special election called by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, they may finally get their chance.

Among the most hotly contested of the eight initiatives on the November ballot is a constitutional amendment that would require doctors to give parents or guardians written notice 48 hours before performing an abortion on a minor.

Adults would not have to consent to the procedure, but sponsors hope the notification requirement would reduce California's teen abortion rate -- the nation's fourth-highest -- by getting parents in on the decision.

"The idea is to create a waiting or reflection period so in principle, there is time for a parent to be involved and do some counseling," said Albin Rhomberg, a spokesman for Parents' Right to Know, the group behind Proposition 73.

If the measure passes, California would become the 16th state with a parental notification law (another 19 require parental consent.) But given its size, "blue" state sensibilities and status among the dwindling number of states where girls have unfettered access to abortion, national abortion rights advocates are concerned, especially as President Bush fills two vacancies on the U.S. Supreme Court.

"I hope it's not a bellwether and I hope it doesn't pass," said Dr. Wendy Chavkin, chairwoman of Physicians for Reproductive Choice and Health, which is dispatching doctors to debates and public meetings as part of the No on 73 campaign.

Though opponents are optimistic that the amendment will fail, Californians have expressed conservative leanings at the ballot box before, and the notion of parental notification resonates with many voters who favor legalized abortion, but don't think it's out of line for the state to help a 13-year-old's parents learn that she's pregnant.

According to a recent poll by the Public Policy Institute of California, 70 percent of likely voters would not support overturning Roe. v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision guaranteeing the right to abortion. But the same poll found voters more evenly divided on Proposition 73, with 48 percent opposing the parental notification requirement and 44 percent supporting it.

"This is about parents' rights," said Cindy Moles, who directs the anti-abortion group Concerned Women of America's activities in San Diego, Imperial and Riverside counties. "In California you can't let your daughter get her ears pierced without parental permission, and yet she can get a not insignificant surgical procedure with someone else making the decisions."

While previous efforts to get such a measure before voters have failed, backers think their timing's right this time. The million-dollar signature-gathering effort was underwritten by three wealthy patrons -- San Diego newspaper publisher James Holman, vintner Don Sebastiani and Dominos Pizza founder Tom Monaghan -- whose deep pockets may be tapped again in the weeks ahead to sell the amendment to voters.

The most recent campaign finance reports show Proposition 73 supporters raised and spent $985,854 between the beginning of the year and June 30. Opponents had raised only $143,676 and spent $314,524. Both sides said they expect spending patterns to equalize, but with national groups preoccupied with the Supreme Court nominations, out-of-state resources might be limited.

Sponsors initially planned to have Californians vote on the measure next June, but it got swept onto the Nov. 8 ballot when Schwarzenegger called the special election. Tied as the election is to the governor's own fading star, his Republican supporters, who also are more likely to support restrictions on abortion, may be more motivated to show up to vote.

The proposal contains several exceptions to the two-day advance notification -- a doctor could perform an abortion in a medical emergency, for example, and a judge could waive the requirement on a case-by-case basis. But abortion rights activists worry that some of the detailed requirements and language spelled out in the measure are overly restrictive and make it unnecessarily difficult for a girl with a troubled home life to petition a court for a waiver.

Equally disturbing to Maggie Crosby, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California, is a clause in the amendment defining abortion as a procedure that "causes the death of the unborn child." Inserting that label into the state Constitution, rather than a medical term such as fetus or embryo, "can have far-reaching consequences on everything from stem cell research to fertility treatments and it's totally unnecessary to the definition of abortion," Crosby said.

Proposition 73's opponents plan to focus on the reluctance many voters have to amend a document as binding as a constitution.

"People realize you can't amend the Constitution to force teens to talk to their parents," said Kathy Kneer, executive director of Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California.

On the Net:

www.parentsright2know.org

www.noonproposition73.com/


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: abortion; aclu; cultureofdeath; infanticide; parentalnotification; prolife; prop73

1 posted on 09/17/2005 9:11:06 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Free contraception. It's the best way to prevent abortions.


2 posted on 09/17/2005 9:16:42 PM PDT by mc6809e
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To: calcowgirl

un-f-ing believable. This is some of the best Orwellian language twisting I've ever read in an alleged "news" story.


3 posted on 09/17/2005 9:17:04 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!)
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To: calcowgirl

Why not just give out cigarettes, since it increases the risk of miscarriage anyway.


4 posted on 09/17/2005 9:22:50 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell
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To: ElkGroveDan
But it's so see through- don't get angry. It's hilarious.
5 posted on 09/17/2005 9:23:30 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell
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To: LauraleeBraswell
This is one of my favorites. Doing away with the practice of goverment complicity in secret abortion on children has become:

the state to help a 13-year-old's parents learn that she's pregnant.

6 posted on 09/17/2005 9:33:28 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!)
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To: calcowgirl

Prop 73 will be an uphill climb. Hopefully it can find some traction. Of course, it'll be no time before the black robes smack down the Will of the People. Again.


7 posted on 09/17/2005 9:44:49 PM PDT by newzjunkey (CA Freepers, HELP Enforce Our Border: http://www.CaliforniaBorderPolice.com/)
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To: ElkGroveDan
We can set up a bureaucracy to do it!
8 posted on 09/17/2005 9:46:18 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell
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To: mc6809e
Won't work. Recent studies suggest the males are deliberately eschewing contraception believing the females won't trust them if they make use of condoms. Females have been taught by feminists that closing your legs makes you an patriarchally oppressed prude. She needs to have that "Gotcha! I'm preggers" power over her male prize.

To even the playing field created by the 'sexual revolution', males need a highly reliable non-barrier method of contraception.

Even on top of all these things, without a cultural shift especially among those in the black community there will still be a majority situation of unwed motherhood. Culturally, the black male looks down on contraception in general and condoms especially.

9 posted on 09/17/2005 9:51:42 PM PDT by newzjunkey (CA Freepers, HELP Enforce Our Border: http://www.CaliforniaBorderPolice.com/)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I admit, I skipped the article imagining exactly what you described. You confirmed my suspicions. I don't need to expose myself to their reeducation down-is-up language.


10 posted on 09/17/2005 9:54:42 PM PDT by newzjunkey (CA Freepers, HELP Enforce Our Border: http://www.CaliforniaBorderPolice.com/)
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To: calcowgirl
It is infuriating to pay taxes to a government that uses the money to fund schools that pass out condoms like candy on holloween, and to fund welfare programs that reward single mothers and absolve irresponsible fathers. Add up the equation and what is the result.

The souless liberal judges see the simple solution to an unwanted child as abortion. To this demon in a black robe a child in the womb in not a legal citizen and has no right to life.

How much smaller an issue for a liberal judge must be a father's right to know his daughter is legally killing his grandchild. Non-existent I should think.

This will end someday. Sooner rather than later I believe.

11 posted on 09/17/2005 10:05:13 PM PDT by Once-Ler ("Our only hope is that Congress will continue to do what is does best... nothing." John Roberts)
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To: Rabid Dog

If voters who really care about teens and the communication they need with their parents can get the word out, and not allow Planned Parenthood to act as surrogate parents (God forbid), then maybe we can get the voters educated about the necessity of passing Prop 73! Write letters to the editor of the paper, talk to people about the need for parent/teen cooperation and discussion in a time of personal crisis. Don't leave your teen's relationship with her parents up to the big business of PP with their skilled marketing talent and slick ads!


12 posted on 09/17/2005 10:12:11 PM PDT by Snapping Turtle (Snap on and don't let go!)
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To: mc6809e

I agree. Free vasectomies for boys/men is the ticket.


13 posted on 09/17/2005 10:15:58 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: calcowgirl
Equally disturbing to Maggie Crosby, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California, is a clause in the amendment defining abortion as a procedure that "causes the death of the unborn child." Inserting that label into the state Constitution, rather than a medical term such as fetus or embryo, "can have far-reaching consequences on everything from stem cell research to fertility treatments and it's totally unnecessary to the definition of abortion," Crosby said.

You forgot the BARF ALERT. This paragraph made me hurl.

14 posted on 09/17/2005 10:19:42 PM PDT by varyouga (Reformed Kerry voter (I know, I'm a frickin' idiot))
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To: calcowgirl
This is a liberal, pro-choice state but it WILL pass. Parents, including a considerable number of liberals want to know if their child needs an abortion. Its not about abortion but about parental consent. Teenagers need parental permission to take a tablet of aspirin. They ought to have to obtain it when it involves potentially life-threatening surgery.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
15 posted on 09/17/2005 10:20:05 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

[Its not about abortion but about parental consent. Teenagers need parental permission to take a tablet of aspirin. They ought to have to obtain it when it involves potentially life-threatening surgery.]


Simple, short, and true.


16 posted on 09/17/2005 10:42:01 PM PDT by spinestein (Forget the Golden Rule. Remember the Brazen Rule.)
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To: mc6809e

SELF PING


17 posted on 09/17/2005 10:52:03 PM PDT by SweetCaroline (Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted!!)
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To: calcowgirl

Why bother? Any of these propositions, approved by their voting public, that actually "does" anything decent, will be declared unconstitutional.


18 posted on 09/17/2005 11:04:51 PM PDT by Hayley
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To: calcowgirl
require doctors to give parents or guardians written notice 48 hours before performing an abortion on a minor.

I like the idea of Prop 73, but I'm not sure how the provisions will be enforced.

How will the doctors know if/when the parents have received the written notices? If they are sent by mail, the children could intercept the notices, and the parents would never know. If the parents must sign to indicate they have received the notice, perhaps the children could forge the signatures unless the note deliverers require someone over 21 to accept them (like with alcoholic beverages by mail order), or the pro-abortionists might say it's unfair if parents refuse to sign.

19 posted on 09/17/2005 11:07:10 PM PDT by heleny (Yes on CA Propositions 73, 74, 75)
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To: mc6809e
Sterilization of liberals. It's the best way.
20 posted on 09/17/2005 11:16:14 PM PDT by Tim Long
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To: newzjunkey
Prop 73 will be an uphill climb. Hopefully it can find some traction. Of course, it'll be no time before the black robes smack down the Will of the People. Again.

Of course you are right. Black robes can't have the people messing with THEIR constitutions.

21 posted on 09/17/2005 11:31:48 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: heleny

http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/bp_nov05/voter_info_pdf/entire73.pdf

A physician would provide the required notification in either of the following two ways:

• Personal Written Notifi cation. Written notice could be provided to the parent or guardian personally—for example, when a parent accompanied the minor to an office examination or to obtain the abortion itself.

• Mail Notification. A parent or guardian could be sent a written notice by certifi ed mail so long as a return receipt was requested by the physician and delivery of the notice was restricted to the parent or guardian who must be notified. An additional copy of the written notice would have to be sent at the same time to the parent or guardian by first-class mail. Under this method, notification would be presumed to have occurred as of noon on the second day after the written notice was mailed.


22 posted on 09/18/2005 12:00:54 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl; afraidfortherepublic; Alamo-Girl; AlbionGirl; anniegetyourgun; Aquinasfan; ...

Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping!

(Of special interest to CA FReepers... because it isn't just "babies having babies" anymore, it's "babies killing babies".)


23 posted on 09/18/2005 12:42:06 AM PDT by cgk (When the BIG ONE wipes out Hollywood can we call it Bush's Fault instead of the San Andreas Fault?)
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To: calcowgirl

I am very surprised I didn't know about this and the petition received 950,000 signatures. I am at the store several times a week, where I signed the Soledad Cross petitions here in San Diego, and was approached to sign others.

Where exactly is this being advertised?




I did learn something interesting from the article: I can buy Domino's Pizza, down it (yep, hate their "pizza") with a tall glass of Sebastiani Cabernet while reading my Catholic newspaper. :) All in support of LIFE.


24 posted on 09/18/2005 12:46:35 AM PDT by cgk (When the BIG ONE wipes out Hollywood can we call it Bush's Fault instead of the San Andreas Fault?)
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To: cgk

The link in the article was:
http://www.parentsright2know.org/pages/1/index.htm

Glad you can enjoy your wine and pizza!


25 posted on 09/18/2005 1:29:45 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

I hope you didn't think I was being flip about the wine and pizza. I try to make it a point to support those companies and products who stand in support of . I'd never realized I could do those 3 things all at once, and it was a nice surprise. ;)


26 posted on 09/18/2005 2:13:33 AM PDT by cgk (When the BIG ONE wipes out Hollywood can we call it Bush's Fault instead of the San Andreas Fault?)
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To: cgk

San Diego News Notes had petitions for a few months. The current issue has a "yes on 73" pullout for posting in windows.

Jim Holman, who was mentioned as one of the financial backers of the measure, publishes News Notes, which is a lay Catholic newspaper, as well as the San Diego Reader.


27 posted on 09/18/2005 5:21:53 AM PDT by clockwise
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To: cgk

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 09/18/2005 5:31:51 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: mc6809e
Free contraception. It's the best way to prevent abortions.

Kind of like distributing clean needles to drug addicts to prevent the spread of disease?

Maybe we should distribute fireproof jackets and gloves to arsonists so they don't burn themselves while they are out recreating.

29 posted on 09/18/2005 8:29:55 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!)
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To: heleny
I like the idea of Prop 73, but I'm not sure how the provisions will be enforced.

Actually the way it will work is that the simple notion that you can have a secret abortionand your parents will never know will be abolished. Kids will then think twice before hopping in the sack.

I drove really careful before I was 18 because I couldn't bear the thought of the endless finger wagging lecture if I ever got stopped for a ticket.

30 posted on 09/18/2005 8:34:10 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!)
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To: calcowgirl
Thanks for the link and especially for the summarized info.


A physician would provide the required notification in either of the following two ways:
• Personal Written Notification. Written notice could be provided to the parent or guardian personally—for example, when a parent accompanied the minor to an office examination or to obtain the abortion itself.

In that case, the parents know already.


• Mail Notification. A parent or guardian could be sent a written notice by certified mail so long as a return receipt was requested by the physician and delivery of the notice was restricted to the parent or guardian who must be notified. An additional copy of the written notice would have to be sent at the same time to the parent or guardian by first-class mail. Under this method, notification would be presumed to have occurred as of noon on the second day after the written notice was mailed.

So, a child can provide a false address, and two days later they can have an abortion, whether or not the parents have received the note. The post office often holds certified mail with return receipt if you aren't home to sign the mail the first time (such as for parents who both work outside the home during the day), and children can pick up the 1st class letter.

Most girls old enough to get pregnant (and in fact most school-age children) are old enough to deceive their parents, such as when forging signatures on report cards.

31 posted on 09/18/2005 11:58:03 AM PDT by heleny (Yes on CA Propositions 73, 74, 75)
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To: ElkGroveDan
the simple notion that you can have a secret abortion and your parents will never know will be abolished.

That's good, but sometimes parents might not know until after the abortion, so they can't offer any intervention until after they know. Maybe future apropositions can extend the waiting period. Prop 73 is an excellent beginning.

Kids will then think twice before hopping in the sack.

I sure hope so, but it would be more effective for parents to teach their children, who often don't dwell on chance consequences. Maybe it will help Planned Parenthood think twice before being so eager to perform abortions on minors.

32 posted on 09/18/2005 12:33:12 PM PDT by heleny (Yes on CA Propositions 73, 74, 75)
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To: cgk

>>I hope you didn't think I was being flip...

Oh, no! Not at all. I thought your observation was a good one (I've pretty much boycotted Hollywood, myself, lol).

I haven't followed this measure at all, so I really couldn't answer your initial question, other than to give an active link (to a site that also had limited info). I would guess that more info will be coming out over the next month as the campaigns gear up.

I did summarize some links to the LAO Analysis and full text for each of the upcoming ballot measures on my FR homepage that might give you more info.


33 posted on 09/18/2005 12:38:32 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: ElkGroveDan
Maybe we should distribute fireproof jackets and gloves to arsonists so they don't burn themselves while they are out recreating.

ROFL. Good one! Kinda goes to show...

34 posted on 09/18/2005 12:41:51 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...


35 posted on 09/18/2005 5:57:08 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: calcowgirl

And don't forget to go stand across from these killing mills and pray, pray, pray!

Prayer will shut them down.


36 posted on 09/18/2005 10:04:40 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Coleus
Lawrence (KS) abortion clinic closes because of funding woes

Eugene abortion clinic closes; surprising many (Hooray !!!)

Prayer credited for closing of abortion clinic [Eugene, OR]

Planned Parenthood will shut down 3 clinics [Indiana]

Persevering Students Help Close Abortion Clinic [Santa Paula, CA--Thomas Aquinas College]

Abortion Clinic Managers Quit After Being Outed by Operation Rescue [Wichita, Kansas]

One Man's God Squad: Troy Newman's plan to stop abortions in Wichita, Kansas

Baby Saved From Abortion is Baptized [New Orleans]

Thank You Bishop Rhoades: A Personal Account of An Abortion Protest With A Catholic Bishop -- still praying -- Harrisburg, PA

Judges rule civil suits against Planned Parenthood can proceed [Los Angeles, CA]

STOPP Planned Parenthood

CA: Abortion opponents hope to limit access for California girls (Prop 73)

37 posted on 09/18/2005 10:07:09 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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