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More women are asking for prenups
Sun Sentinel ^ | September 18, 2005 | Georgia East

Posted on 09/18/2005 3:05:48 AM PDT by Caipirabob

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To: CBF

I guess I'm blessed. That was never a consideration.

Okay... I know I'm blessed.


51 posted on 09/18/2005 5:58:43 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

You guys always seem to make light of those little affairs.

They are devastating to a marriage, it may just be sex on the side to you but to the woman it is the end of the relationship and trust. It may take a few years for it to dissolve the marriage but eventually it will and the woman will find she doesn't love the man anymore.

You only see the 'doesn't love him anymore' and not the actions of the man that brought her to that place.

You should look to the possible immorality of the men in their relationships and not try to simplify the failure of the marriage by always blaming the woman.

I see you defend your father for his affair yet condemn your mother for not being able to manage finances. You got some issues in there dude.


52 posted on 09/18/2005 6:07:19 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Really?

I wouldn't sign one or expect my future wife to sign one.

And yes I'd be offended. And I'm the bread winner. And she is the mother of and to my children.

And yes I don't have "alterer motives".

I just think it is wrong.

I uttered the words as a solemn oath before God "Until death do we part" and I meant it. Foolish me...
53 posted on 09/18/2005 6:08:14 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

"Women are not angels either."

Never said we are. We are human just as the men are human and we make mistakes just as men make mistakes.

"fooling around behind their husbands backs while the men are at work trying to feed the family."

Huh? Are you trying to tell me that all women from the 40's and 50's cheated on their husbands while he is at work? Talk about reaching. Granted their were women who cheated but you can't condemn all women for the actions of a few. Also, when men cheated on their wives in the 40's and 50's, they weren't held responsible for the family they left behind because they had all the options and most of the power. Today, most of those same options and power belong to the women.

"So, don't try to make women out to be the angels that you are trying to do here."

Oh please! Quit putting words in my mouth just to suit your opinion. I NEVER said all women are angels!

"And what is the excuse for women today fooling around on their husbands backs?"

I don't know....why don't you ask a man who is cheating on his wife what his excuse is? It works both ways in case you have forgotten.

"Or women taking men for a ride and taking every dime he's got even though he didn't deserve it be treated that way."

This works both ways my friend. Men have been known to take a woman for a ride.

You seem hostile towards women because you are choosing to hold all of us accountable for the actions of a few. We aren't all evil.


54 posted on 09/18/2005 6:08:50 AM PDT by Arpege92 ("I am happy, be it yourselves." - Pope John Paul II)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

I have to say that i totally agree that this type thing is why men my age, widowed with four sons to raise, a house in a good neighborhood are very cautious.

I hardly find a single woman my age who is where she is through circumstances out of her control. Very few widows, most divorcees and women who never married, mostly because they followed careers.

I find that even discussing marriage with some of these women is totally wack. They just don't have a perception of what it takes to keep house and home together, and are constantly "carving out areas" that they will not function in. They mostly can't cook, sew, or even take care of a house. That is why guys in my circumstances look either elsewhere (other countries) or to younger women who haven't been tainted by the liberal mindset and anti-male anger of the women of the 60's, 70's, and 80's.

Their anger is misguided and misplaced. Their anger now resolves itself through expression against the men they meet, like myself who have done nothing to them other than to be a gentleman etc. They are really angry for no reason, they made choices that messed them up and now want to lay that on the backs of men that they meet. This problem sure makes women from the other, more traditional countries, a lot more optional as marriage material.

Im just one single man with these experiences, but i have talked to many other men in the similar circumstances who totally agree, because of personal experience.


55 posted on 09/18/2005 6:09:29 AM PDT by TrailofTears (."We mock loyalty and are shocked at finding traitors in our midst." CS Lewis)
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To: najida

"Being a female around here can be a bit 'fusin' at times."

Tell me about it. I can almost hear the theme from the twilight zone.


56 posted on 09/18/2005 6:14:16 AM PDT by Arpege92 ("I am happy, be it yourselves." - Pope John Paul II)
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To: Arpege92
Some of you Freeper men really confuse the hell out of me. First women are blood suckers and should be forced to sign a prenup if the man is wealthy. Then women are bitches if they dare to educate themselves, move up the corporate ladder but have a difficult time finding a male companion.

Brilliant. There is a lot of hatred toward women on this site. From time to time I've tried to gently tell men that not all women are monsters, and we conservative women do love them. But there are some Freeper men who are so consumed with hatred that they won't even entertain the possibility that women can be good. It's like talking to Muslims who believe women are the root of all evil.

There have been threads on here before about how all women who get good jobs and become successful are bitches. But if we don't get jobs, if we are homemakers for twenty years and then can't support ourselves and our kids after Mr. Wonderful runs off with the young hottie, any demand for alimony and child support also makes us bitches. Can't win.

57 posted on 09/18/2005 6:16:08 AM PDT by Capriole (I don't have any problems that can't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition.)
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To: Capriole

Well said.


58 posted on 09/18/2005 6:19:44 AM PDT by Arpege92 ("I am happy, be it yourselves." - Pope John Paul II)
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To: Capriole

Excellent post!

You can't win for losing around here. It goes beyond a double standard to something almost primal...this "I gotta have ya but I hate ya because I gotta have ya because YOU MAKE me feel this way!" Talk about abdicating personal responsibility on it's most basic level.

But I will say this, it's a learning experience. And I can see how certain things in other cultures came into being when the hatred got to be law or even religion. Scary, but again, I just eat popcorn and watch.


59 posted on 09/18/2005 6:21:36 AM PDT by najida (So, I said to myself -Self, I really think shrimp heads in the flower pots as compost is a bit much!)
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To: R. Scott
17 yrs old, and on her THIRD husband????

On the morning after she woke me up, pointed at the certificate on the wall and said, “Now you can’t leave me.” The marriage lasted 6 months.

You're lucky she didn't turn up pregnant. Btw, did your bowels turn to water after she said that?

I took my now ex to meet my parents. He figured they had money(I know this now), and asked me to marry him after 3 weeks of dating. I decided that there was something wrong, but turned up preggers 6 months later. He then asked, "now will you marry me"? Of course my mother would not stomach the idea of an "illegitimate grandchild", so at 18, I kind of got railroaded into the marriage.

That was 27 yrs ago, and at the moment, we are engaged in a custody battle for the 11 yr old. His last response has opened him up to a psychiatric evaluation.

60 posted on 09/18/2005 6:22:51 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: TrailofTears

"This problem sure makes women from the other, more traditional countries, alot more optional as marriage material."

What countries might those be?


61 posted on 09/18/2005 6:23:20 AM PDT by Arpege92 ("I am happy, be it yourselves." - Pope John Paul II)
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To: Capriole

Not all men on this site.


62 posted on 09/18/2005 6:27:42 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Need help...


64 posted on 09/18/2005 6:35:06 AM PDT by dakine
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Unfortunately in todays world, someone's word is not enough anymore, and would you enter a muli - BILLION contract with someone or some company just by their word ? without getting legal protection financially or legally ? In todays world, a Prenup is as prudent and important, as a will.

Oh, I agree. If my bf and I should decide to eventually marry, we are going to have to have a pre-nup, as he stands to inherit from his father. He has health problems, and is disabled. That money should go to his kids. It has to be done in such a way that his speed freak of an ex wife cannot get her hands on it. His sister is working on that angle : ) Not to mention my greedy brats looking for an extra dime : (

65 posted on 09/18/2005 6:36:15 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
"......and with no thanks to the feminsit, and TV shows like Oprah."

I get a kick out of those "womens" channels like "O"...and "Lifetime". I call them the RAPE channels.....24 hour male bashing....nonstop. If there were a female equivalent of those channels, the feminazis would blast it from the airwaves within 24 hours.
66 posted on 09/18/2005 6:43:17 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: R. Scott

It's never too late to say "Thanks but I think this not what I want."You should have run out of the courthouse like the place was on fire!Three marriages at age 17,in what state did this sad story happen?


67 posted on 09/18/2005 6:47:35 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: Caipirabob
"It's not that I plan to get divorced," says Kaplan, 23, a single mom from Fort Lauderdale, who has a sizable inheritance. "I have to protect myself and my daughter."

Now that the skank has financial interests to protect she wants the pre-nup.

When pre-nups first came the skank-a-lanks, would get very mad at even the suggestion of pre-nups.

How the times have changed.

IMO you're an idiot if you marry later in life, after you've accumulated assests, without a pre-nup.

Skank-a-lank will clean you out,after she's had enough, if you don't think so you're a p*ssy whipped fool!

Thanks caipirabob for the use of the word skank-a-lank.

68 posted on 09/18/2005 6:51:14 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (God bless our troops and their families)
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To: Arpege92
What countries might those be?

The ones with the mail order brides willing to put up with a controlling bully for a time in order to get to America. That the men fail to see the selfish immorality of a woman willing to sell herself for a time to get where she wants to be is laughable.

The qualities they think they are avoiding in American women are what they are actually buying from the imports.

69 posted on 09/18/2005 6:51:18 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: taxed2death
I get a kick out of those "womens" channels like "O"...and "Lifetime". I call them the RAPE channels.....24 hour male bashing....nonstop

So no you know how FreeRepublic feels to a conservative woman.

Equal and opposite wrong.

70 posted on 09/18/2005 6:52:41 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: najida

Great attitude to have at times around here. Quite a few condemn us know matter what and in the long run, that's their problem and not mine.


71 posted on 09/18/2005 6:55:23 AM PDT by Sally'sConcerns (Native Texan and Houston Proud!)
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To: SouthernFreebird

Yeah,
The absolutely creepiest wedding pictures I've ever seen were of a MOB and her new 'hubby' (a well known internet woman hater delux).

The whole reason these women WANT to come here ain't for the men. And they WILL get Westernized, unless they are under some type of home lock-down (gee, don't that sound familiar?)


72 posted on 09/18/2005 6:56:40 AM PDT by najida (So, I said to myself -Self, I really think shrimp heads in the flower pots as compost is a bit much!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

LOL!
Good job!


73 posted on 09/18/2005 6:57:58 AM PDT by najida (So, I said to myself -Self, I really think shrimp heads in the flower pots as compost is a bit much!)
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To: najida

Geez! I think I'll go see what's on the boob tube and take a nap.

What I meant to say....

Great attitude to have at times around here! Quite a few condemn us no matter what and in the long run, that's their problem and not mine.


74 posted on 09/18/2005 6:58:32 AM PDT by Sally'sConcerns (Native Texan and Houston Proud!)
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To: KeyWest
Ah, but it never said it was her second marriage, it merely described her as a single mom.
75 posted on 09/18/2005 6:58:33 AM PDT by YourAdHere (Casey hero. Sheehan zero.)
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To: najida
LOL! Good job!

Mine was a C+ tops, it had a typo in it...

Your comment about throwin' rocks at the gorillas, now that was ~good~ ;~D

76 posted on 09/18/2005 7:01:58 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: KeyWest
She wanted to protect her inheritance for her child. If this was a first marriage, I would agree, but with a second marriage you do owe something to protect and provide for your child, just in case you were blinded by lust, oops, I mean love.

Amen

77 posted on 09/18/2005 7:03:47 AM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Ajnin
"It's not that I plan to get divorced," says Kaplan, 23, That's exactly what your doing, you little harpy.

There is nothing wrong with people taking precautions to protect what they have, even if they hope they never have use it.

I have gun for self-protection that I hope I never have to use also. By owning that gun, am I just hoping for a break-in?

78 posted on 09/18/2005 7:07:54 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: SouthernFreebird

My exact thoughts as well. I saw a program once about mail order Russian brides and it was pretty damn sad watching these men willingly allow themselves to buy love.


79 posted on 09/18/2005 7:09:06 AM PDT by Arpege92 ("I am happy, be it yourselves." - Pope John Paul II)
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To: SouthernFreebird

Foreign mail order brides don't want what American ~men~ have, they want what American ~women~ have.


80 posted on 09/18/2005 7:11:07 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: HairOfTheDog

'Zactly,

They're here for the shoes!


81 posted on 09/18/2005 7:14:57 AM PDT by najida (So, I said to myself -Self, I really think shrimp heads in the flower pots as compost is a bit much!)
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To: R. Scott
People do change, and during the courtship period most are putting on their best face. After marriage is when we really get to know the person.

It took 13 posts before this rational statement was made. Also people are in denial about real faults that the other person has. "He tells me he won't drink as much after we get married." "I know she cheated on me while we were dating but she wouldn't do that if she had a ring on her finger." And on and on...

At any rate, prenups are mostly hot-air. Any entry-level attorney can get one nullified in court.

82 posted on 09/18/2005 7:19:03 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: DB
Not all men on this site.

Glad to hear it. You reasonable types tend to be quiet about your views, though.

83 posted on 09/18/2005 7:20:26 AM PDT by Capriole (I don't have any problems that can't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition.)
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To: Caipirabob

so it seems the article is saying that a prenup is for protecting the children of a first marriage.

hmmm, did the author think to consider that this is more a SECOND marriage issue?

The author tried to imply this was a first marriage no children issue.

I have seen this more in OLDER marriages not marriages without pre existing adult children.

Seems to be a slow newsday for this writer...


84 posted on 09/18/2005 7:21:30 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

look at the source its the Sun "homosexual" sentinal.

They paper also advocates homosexual sex.


85 posted on 09/18/2005 7:22:30 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: xzins

Actually, my wife attended a wedding where a friend of hers (major atheist) and her guy (major dick...and atheist) were getting married by a justice-of-the-peace and their vows included "until our love ends."

Talk about leaving yourself an easy out.


86 posted on 09/18/2005 7:22:58 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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hit enter too fast:

homosexual sex via GLSEN

they also oppose FMA


87 posted on 09/18/2005 7:23:27 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Office Depot sells cohabitation and prenup form package for $24.95.

If they are going to live together "for the whim" then it is cheeper to just do the form.


88 posted on 09/18/2005 7:24:47 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Drew68

actually the key to a prenup is realizing that they are strongest the first 6 years of marriage and best for protecting SPECIFIC items. Collection of X or vehicle or even a house.

A 25 year old prenup is not going to be as strong as a prenup that is only 1 year old.


89 posted on 09/18/2005 7:26:54 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory
actually the key to a prenup is realizing that they are strongest the first 6 years of marriage and best for protecting SPECIFIC items. Collection of X or vehicle or even a house. A 25 year old prenup is not going to be as strong as a prenup that is only 1 year old.

Only if the property protected by the pre-nup becomes mingled in the marriage. You can't use a prenup to retain full ownership of the house you both live in, for example. It becomes community property.

You can only use a prenup to protect separate holdings that are never used in the marriage.

90 posted on 09/18/2005 7:40:32 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Only if your community property state has a specific law.

This is NOT true otherwise.

Prenups CAN and DO get drafted which envision living in the same house.

They even have provisions which say that if the house is sold, the PROCEEDS are still subject to the prenup.

living in the house is not really relevant if properly drafted.


91 posted on 09/18/2005 7:43:59 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

I suppose.... Really, if the power of prenups fade and get mixed in with joint property with time, that's the way it should be, as over time, the wealth in the marriage ~should~ be expected to be jointly earned.


92 posted on 09/18/2005 7:46:44 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: HairOfTheDog

I always advocate a "termination date" in prenups.

IOW they sunset after say 20 years.

HOWEVER that assumes no children of a previous marriage.

EVen OVER TIME prenups specifically drafted to protect previous marriage children DO have significanly more life.

It just takes putting as much as possible in writing. Even to the point of puting INTENT in the document. The is important if you state has automatic "widows/widowers share" in intestacy laws.


93 posted on 09/18/2005 7:50:14 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Arpege92; najida; SouthernFreebird; Capriole; Sally'sConcerns; HairOfTheDog
I think you're all being dramatic and really self-important.

First women are blood suckers and should be forced to sign a prenup if the man is wealthy.

You're gonna tell me if someone is known as being wealthy, they won't get a lot of disingenuous attention. I've seen it for men and women. I've never seen this statement painted with a broad brush here.

Then women are bitches if they dare to educate themselves, move up the corporate ladder but have a difficult time finding a male companion.

That's right, nothing better than a woman who is barefoot and ignorant. Please! If a women is all ginned up on feminism, puts her "career first", and winds up in her forties crying without a child or husband, or worse- like a character from Sex in the City, she has only herself to blame..."Hey, I bought into all this lame propaganda, lived the wrong life for 30 years while shoving it in everyones face, and now nobody likes me". And guys who have had to take her foolish, nitwit, institutionally protected attitude for years will find a hard time finding sympathy

I'm out the door for a few hours so your knee jerk, cattiness will not be destroyed for a little while. Have a nice Sunday:D
94 posted on 09/18/2005 7:52:14 AM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
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To: Vision

Oh, I will have a nice day, sunshine :~D


95 posted on 09/18/2005 7:55:12 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Vision

Yer supposed to duck when you see a rock comin' at ya. ;)

'sides darlin, I think you just made our point better than we ever could've.


96 posted on 09/18/2005 8:00:57 AM PDT by najida (So, I said to myself -Self, I really think shrimp heads in the flower pots as compost is a bit much!)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

I agree....take an example of a young man, recently graduated with an engineering degree, his earning potential over the years is major attraction to the ladies...

So years later a marriage breaks up, and the court rules that property, be split 50, 50....my point is that there is no consideration of the effort that the man put into his education, ...he entered the marriage, with a valuable asset, his education.....now his departed spouse, capitalizes on his education, and moves on.


97 posted on 09/18/2005 8:11:55 AM PDT by thinking
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To: HairOfTheDog
There is nothing wrong with people taking precautions to protect what they have, even if they hope they never have use it. I have gun for self-protection that I hope I never have to use also. By owning that gun, am I just hoping for a break-in? 78 posted on 09/18/2005

excellent analogy!

98 posted on 09/18/2005 8:17:51 AM PDT by millefleur (No KING but Jesus !)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I have gun for self-protection that I hope I never have to use also. By owning that gun, am I just hoping for a break-in?

I think this is a bad analogy. I don't think you can readily compare the moral issue of self defense with getting a prenup agreement. By getting a preunp a person is admitting to themselves that divorce is a possibility. If a person is unsure if the marriage is going to last, why get married?

99 posted on 09/18/2005 8:21:17 AM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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To: Bon mots
In other words, " I want him to support me and my child until my inheritance comes in, but then he gets nothing when I make my escape."

A 23 year old single mother is not somebody that a young man should consider as a first, second, third or fourth choice as marriage material.

There is a long list of reasons why she would want a marriage and "I love this man" is probably at the bottom half of the list.

100 posted on 09/18/2005 8:26:17 AM PDT by Polybius
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