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By all means, if you believe the person you have chosen for a lifetime partnership is a lying, cheating, greedy skank-a-lank then get that dotted line signed.

Just kidding. I do mourn the moral and cultural breakdown that has reduced "Holy Matrimony" to a business transaction. And yet seriously, I don't blame many of these people.

It's a sad fact that the societal morality has degraded and destroyed the significance of marriage to the point where the social perspective of divorce bears no more stigma than a trip to the ATM. And since many divorces end up being a trip to the ATM for one or the other party, a prenuptual agreement is a wise approach if you have any lingering doubts.

Yet my thoughts would be that if you have any doubts, why bother getting married at all?

Let's face it, unless you AND your mate are strongly ground in morality, more than likely derived from a lifetime of faith, you are fodder for divorce lawyers.

Otherwise marriage is a temporary state that endures until one or the other partner decides they like the Lexus more than their partner.

I'm not being dour, just practical.

On the other hand, there is a place for non conditional marriage in this world. I hope that many who read this are part of such a relationship and pray that the others who hope to enjoy such one day.

Anyway, so what do y'all think? Have at it...

1 posted on 09/18/2005 3:05:49 AM PDT by Caipirabob
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"It's not that I plan to get divorced," says Kaplan, 23,

That's exactly what your doing, you little harpy.

2 posted on 09/18/2005 3:16:08 AM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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My only question is how to breach the subject of a prenup to your SigOther without having a plate of fettucine alfredo smeared on your face? Or, even worse (far worse), heart-wrenching sobs accompanied by 'why don't you trust me!'


4 posted on 09/18/2005 3:19:10 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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She wanted to protect her inheritance for her child. If this was a first marriage, I would agree, but with a second marriage you do owe something to protect and provide for your child, just in case you were blinded by lust, oops, I mean love.

They could also be protected by your will, but...


5 posted on 09/18/2005 3:27:57 AM PDT by KeyWest
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sign ..............


6 posted on 09/18/2005 3:35:16 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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If you're looking for outs before you make the commitment, what's the point? You're simply preparing for failure. Not many succeed while preparing for failure...


7 posted on 09/18/2005 3:37:01 AM PDT by DB ()
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My wife and I were gonna have a prenup but we couldn't agree on who got the tent and who got the VW sans floor so we just said the hell with it.


8 posted on 09/18/2005 3:38:13 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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Over a casual dinner, Rachel Kaplan turned to her boyfriend and asked, "You're open for a prenup, right?"

Darren Waldohlz, 38, a partner in a successful speed-dating business, admits he was caught off guard. But he said he realized a prenuptial agreement would protect the house he owns, too.

"It's not that I plan to get divorced," says Kaplan, 23, a single mom from Fort Lauderdale, who has a sizable inheritance. "I have to protect myself and my daughter."

In other words,

" I want him to support me and my child until my inheritance comes in, but then he gets nothing when I make my escape."

9 posted on 09/18/2005 3:39:07 AM PDT by Bon mots
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We've gotta change the marriage vows.

"I _____ take you ______ to be my lawful wedded ______, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, until we are parted by death. This is my solemn vow."

Change to:

"I vow that I'll stay until I don't."


It'll shorten the ceremonies.


10 posted on 09/18/2005 3:41:11 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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greedy skank-a-lank

LOL, I'm guessing John sKerry had to sign one.

11 posted on 09/18/2005 3:42:35 AM PDT by benjaminjjones
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Yet my thoughts would be that if you have any doubts, why bother getting married at all?

People do change, and during the courtship period most are putting on their best face. After marriage is when we really get to know the person.
13 posted on 09/18/2005 3:48:15 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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I do mourn the moral and cultural breakdown that has reduced "Holy Matrimony" to a business transaction.

Marriage has a long history of being just a business transaction. Marrying for love is a very recent phenomenon (maybe the last couple of centuries).

14 posted on 09/18/2005 3:52:02 AM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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Back in the day, it used to be common practice that the guy hand over his nups (or at least have them taken) on their wedding day. Now she wants prenups? This maybe going too far...


17 posted on 09/18/2005 3:53:45 AM PDT by Libloather (Hillary, be a doll and give me back my FBI file...)
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Well, she does have a child from a prior relationship. She has an inheritance coming that needs to be sheltered for the child. It doesn't say in the article whether her bf has children from a prior marriage. If she should die, if I'm not mistaken, legally her husband would inherit all of her assets under common law. That means his children would also stand to inherit. Have you ever seen grown children fight over money? It isn't pretty.

As for first time married couples, pre-nups, set you up for failure. Jmo, however Tori Spelling has one, for obvious reasons. I'm sure when Paris and Paris tie the knot, they'll both have one. The rich are not like you and me.


23 posted on 09/18/2005 4:08:05 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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The social perspective of divorce bears no more stigma than a trip to the ATM.

Yes, stigma having been stigmatized has had negative consequences. Approval and disapproval are what drives a culture "for better or worse."

If we recover our collective senses, getting married and staying married (even when the going gets tough) will be highly valued. Still, prenups are prudent to have, like wills and life insurance.

25 posted on 09/18/2005 4:14:59 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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My wife and I have a prenup.

One item, two words:

NO CATS

33 posted on 09/18/2005 4:38:15 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Perhaps today)
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-Darren Waldohlz, 38, a partner in a successful speed-dating business, admits he was caught off guard.-

Guess he jumped in too fast?


34 posted on 09/18/2005 4:42:18 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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Only those who make a fuss out of prenups before the marriage are the ones who have a ulterior motive in the whole thing , and has something to hid, because, if they didn't , they would have no problem with prenups.

That " Don't' you trust me " line is a poor excuse, and lame line to make the other party feel guilty for wanting to protect themselves and their property or wealth that was built up before they even meet.

It is the same deceitful heart condition, and motive as the same line in the Samson and Delilah story from Delilah.

The Philistines wanted to know were Samson got his strength so they can defeat Samson, so ? they conveniently sent beautiful Delilah his way because they knew Samson was weak when it came to beautiful women.

After many times trying to find out Samson's strength, Delilah got frustrated, and said to Samson ,

that, " if you TRULY LOVE ME, you would tell me were you get your strength from "

Knowing in her heart that he would want to please her, and not make her feel hurt, ( in truth, Delilah couldn't care less about Samson personally .

When ever their other person says " don't you trust me " or " don't you love me " red flags should go up in warning.

If they ( the other person ) leave or split after mentioning a prenup before getting married, then, they were the wrong one, and only wanted something else ( for selfish reasons ) out of the marriage than true love and commitment.

The party ( person ) who is wanting a prenup is basically saying,
( I am entering this marriage in good faith, wanting to make a commitment, and to love, )
However ? if by your part ( the other person ) is dishonest, deceitful, does not want to make a true commitment and for what ever reason this marriage fails ( and fails, not by my part, but, by your part )

then ?

I am taking necessary steps to protect myself, my family, and my financial future if ( you , on ( YOUR PART ) fail to live up to your commitment, or faith, or love in this marriage ).

Buy no means does a prenup necessarily mean that if you are the one who wants a prenup, that you are saying this marriage is going to fail.

You are putting the burden of the level of honesty, the level of commitment or the other person to live up their wedding vows on them to live up to, because you know in your hear that you want to make the marriage work.
38 posted on 09/18/2005 5:03:47 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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"I'm not being dour, just practical."

Quite right. People grounded in morality KNOW they are going for the long haul because if they don't they are not who and what they believe themselves to be.

Looking at it from another angle: Those guys who go over the top into the teeth of machine gun fire do so not because they WANT to but because they recognize a Truth greater than their own lives.


40 posted on 09/18/2005 5:28:45 AM PDT by TalBlack
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I do mourn the moral and cultural breakdown that has reduced "Holy Matrimony" to a business transaction.

Holy Matrimony? Sounds more like mergers and acquisitions to me.

46 posted on 09/18/2005 5:45:11 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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I wouldn't marry anyone i had to have a pre-nup with. Another thing, I think that the church needs to take back the marriage issue. Let the unbelievers marry who-ever and where-ever. The church should be conducting weddings, as it has historically done, and with historical standards that do not include the things that the unbelievers are willing to call a marriage, ie. pre-nups, possibility for divorce, homosexual relationships, multiple partner relationships, etc.

After a while the "church wedding" will once again become the true wedding, while the "civil" ceremony will be looked at as just what it really is for most... The least path of resistance.


50 posted on 09/18/2005 5:57:50 AM PDT by TrailofTears (."We mock loyalty and are shocked at finding traitors in our midst." CS Lewis)
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