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To: Prophet in the wilderness

"If you really want to look at the reason why things are today, just take a look at what the feminist have done to brainwash, warp, and pollute women's minds...."

Hold on a minute. As a female, I admit that Feminism has done alot of damage but it's also done some good. 40 or 50 years ago, a man could walk out on his wife for a younger woman (and it happened quite often), leaving the wife with absolutely nothing. There are instances like this in my family. The man left the woman (with kids) and carried on with his new girlfriend as if he didn't have a life before her. The wife had no choice but to go out and work, but back then, women weren't as educated as they are today, so the wife had to get a menial job and the pay was menial as well. Try raising children in a position like that.

Some of you Freeper men really confuse the hell out of me. First women are blood suckers and should be forced to sign a prenup if the man is wealthy. Then women are bitches if they dare to educate themselves, move up the corporate ladder but have a difficult time finding a male companion. So if you are looking to blame Feminism, then some of the blame falls squarely on your shoulders as well. Woman are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

Sorry to rant, but geez.


30 posted on 09/18/2005 4:29:41 AM PDT by Arpege92 ("I am happy, be it yourselves." - Pope John Paul II)
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To: Arpege92
The man left the woman (with kids) and carried on with his new girlfriend as if he didn't have a life before her.

The ability to treat deadbeat husbands, especially dads, as criminals is a great reason for the state to enforce the terms of marriage. This is just nuts and bolts of civilized life, or should be, if we weren't so fixated, collectively, on individual gratification rather than individual responsibility, to the extent that we don't even know what marriage is for.

Feminism defined as more women having career available to them is fine, but not when it takes away the option of devoting themselves to child-rearing. A woman should not have to stay in the workforce as a protection against the husband abandoning his responsibilities - society and the law should provide the protection.

35 posted on 09/18/2005 4:52:01 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Arpege92
Yes.. it was a travesty 50 years ago if a man were to leave his wife and find a new girlfriend, and leave his family.
However ? women are not angles either, and they did the same thing 50 years ago also, fooling around behind their husbands backs while the men are at work trying to feed the family.
So ? don't try to make women out to be the angles that you are trying to do here.
And what is the excuse for women today fooling around on their husbands backs ?
Or women taking men for a ride and taking every dime he's got even though he didn't deserve to be treated that way.
I know a couple who were married 25 years, and she just decided one day " I don't love him anymore, but ? still got half of everything he owns ( even though, he got his wealth before he meet her ) is it revenge that women are seeking towards men ?
You know, women DO cheat on their husbands ? it's been going on since time began.
I am not trying to seek a argument with you, I believe you are a decent, honest, caring person who wants to do the best in the world.
but, you must also look at both sides of the issue, not just one side.
Women are not angles either, and I also know that men can be rats also in the way they treat women, but, women must also admit and recognize that they also treat men like dirt also.
I had a friend tell me onetime that he was watching the Oprah show one time.
It was about WOMEN WHO TAKE MEN FOR A RIDE FINANCAILLY ..... and he told me, when Oprah and the women talked about how they managed to cheat those men out of their money, they laughed about it in front of the whole national TV audience....
That's just plane WRONG, and if I saw a TV show were men treat women like dogs or cheat women out of their money, that is WRONG ALSO.

I saw how divorce devastated my family when my dad went out and cheated on my mom and we had NOTHING.
No money, or food, no nothing
BUT ????? it wasn't because my dad didn't try to feed us, or help us.
It was because my mom was a bad manager of the money my dad gave her, and also ?
She had to get her revenge against him, and was vindictive towards him, and spent the money some were else to make him look bad ( THAT"S PLAIN WRONG ) yes, he cheated on her, but,, that does not make her right to make him look worse than the situation already was.
My dad was always a good provider, and even after he left us, he did his best to provide for us, but, my mom wanted to " STICK IT TO MY DAD IN HER REVENGE ) and either spent the money he gave her unwisely, or spent the money somewere else.
41 posted on 09/18/2005 5:30:59 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Arpege92

Yeah,

Being a female around here can be a bit 'fusin' at times. Seems we are bad no matter what we do, say or believe. I just sit back, eat popcorn and occaisionally throw rocks at the gorillas :)


45 posted on 09/18/2005 5:44:22 AM PDT by najida (So, I said to myself -Self, I really think shrimp heads in the flower pots as compost is a bit much!)
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To: Arpege92



You said it.






49 posted on 09/18/2005 5:53:39 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Arpege92
Some of you Freeper men really confuse the hell out of me. First women are blood suckers and should be forced to sign a prenup if the man is wealthy. Then women are bitches if they dare to educate themselves, move up the corporate ladder but have a difficult time finding a male companion.

Brilliant. There is a lot of hatred toward women on this site. From time to time I've tried to gently tell men that not all women are monsters, and we conservative women do love them. But there are some Freeper men who are so consumed with hatred that they won't even entertain the possibility that women can be good. It's like talking to Muslims who believe women are the root of all evil.

There have been threads on here before about how all women who get good jobs and become successful are bitches. But if we don't get jobs, if we are homemakers for twenty years and then can't support ourselves and our kids after Mr. Wonderful runs off with the young hottie, any demand for alimony and child support also makes us bitches. Can't win.

57 posted on 09/18/2005 6:16:08 AM PDT by Capriole (I don't have any problems that can't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition.)
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To: Arpege92; najida; SouthernFreebird; Capriole; Sally'sConcerns; HairOfTheDog
I think you're all being dramatic and really self-important.

First women are blood suckers and should be forced to sign a prenup if the man is wealthy.

You're gonna tell me if someone is known as being wealthy, they won't get a lot of disingenuous attention. I've seen it for men and women. I've never seen this statement painted with a broad brush here.

Then women are bitches if they dare to educate themselves, move up the corporate ladder but have a difficult time finding a male companion.

That's right, nothing better than a woman who is barefoot and ignorant. Please! If a women is all ginned up on feminism, puts her "career first", and winds up in her forties crying without a child or husband, or worse- like a character from Sex in the City, she has only herself to blame..."Hey, I bought into all this lame propaganda, lived the wrong life for 30 years while shoving it in everyones face, and now nobody likes me". And guys who have had to take her foolish, nitwit, institutionally protected attitude for years will find a hard time finding sympathy

I'm out the door for a few hours so your knee jerk, cattiness will not be destroyed for a little while. Have a nice Sunday:D
94 posted on 09/18/2005 7:52:14 AM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
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To: Arpege92
40 or 50 years ago, a man could walk out on his wife for a younger woman (and it happened quite often), leaving the wife with absolutely nothing.

It had little to do with Law, and much to do with it being a less computerized age. Back then, there was also alimony and child support, just as much as today. However, it was much easier for a man to disappear and start over again in another state, and hard to find him again.

My dad left us when I was 3. Much later we found out thru his family that he was somewhere in California. My mom never did track him down before he passed away (with everything in his new wife's name)

218 posted on 09/19/2005 4:41:23 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and it annoys the pig)
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To: Arpege92
Some of you Freeper men really confuse the hell out of me. First women are blood suckers and should be forced to sign a prenup if the man is wealthy. Then women are bitches if they dare to educate themselves, move up the corporate ladder but have a difficult time finding a male companion. So if you are looking to blame Feminism, then some of the blame falls squarely on your shoulders as well. Woman are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

It's an unhealthy mindset. I think a 50-50 split should a marriage break up is fair for both parties, wether the guy takes up with a floozie or whether mommy starts spending extra quality time with the poolguy. It doesn't matter why it breaks up, just that it does. A 50-50 split makes the results relatively predictable,

The mindset that the marital property belongs to both partners in good times and somehow reverts to a wronged party in bad times is just insane. There's nothing 'conservative' about it.

302 posted on 09/19/2005 7:55:20 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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