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This Day In History | Civil War September 18, 1862 McClellan Lets Lee Retreat from Antietam
historychannel.com ^ | 9/18/05 | historychannel.com

Posted on 09/18/2005 5:50:31 AM PDT by mainepatsfan

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1 posted on 09/18/2005 5:50:31 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

A story in my wife's family is about how the neighbor, General McClellan, saved her grandmother, a small child then, from a swarm of bees.

I always have doubted the story and fancied the General stood by and watched the child get stung.


2 posted on 09/18/2005 5:56:19 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: mainepatsfan

If only our side had won our freedom, if only!


3 posted on 09/18/2005 5:56:42 AM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly (!...The Confederate States of America rises again...!)
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To: billorites

He probably had troops in reserve that could have helped but he was sure there were more bees just over the next hill.


4 posted on 09/18/2005 5:57:45 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: billorites
My Nephew, (My Niece's husband) is a descendent of General McClellan. At least I think that is right.

Anyway I have always thought he was a much better general than history has portrayed him. The Southern Generals consistently described him as their toughest opponent.

5 posted on 09/18/2005 6:01:57 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: billorites
I always have doubted the story and fancied the General stood by and watched the child get stung.

He was convinced that 500 bees were really 2000 bees and called for reinforcements.

6 posted on 09/18/2005 6:07:07 AM PDT by SquirrelKing (I'm not mean, you're just a sissy.)
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To: aspiring.hillbilly
"If only our side had won our freedom.."

If we had won it would have doomed the slaves to 50 more years of misery before the whole system collapsed and left the South even more of an economic basket than it is now! Do we really think that the South would have been a better place if we had kept the slave system? I don't. Born and raised in the South. I love my homeland, but I'm glad we lost that war. We fought bravely,but our cause was not just. Slavery is wrong. Would you wish it on your children?
7 posted on 09/18/2005 6:10:40 AM PDT by SSR1
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To: yarddog
Anyway I have always thought he was a much better general than history has portrayed him.

He would have been a great defensive general for the south. He had very little talent for the offense - which is what the North required.

8 posted on 09/18/2005 6:11:47 AM PDT by PMCarey
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He seemed more worried about not losing a battle than winning one.


9 posted on 09/18/2005 6:12:30 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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Guys.....Guys.....what are you saying?

Don't you realize that this was just the first recorded account of "million man math"?
10 posted on 09/18/2005 6:20:08 AM PDT by jrg
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Don't you realize that this was just the first recorded account of "million man math"?

LOL

11 posted on 09/18/2005 6:23:50 AM PDT by SquirrelKing (I'm not mean, you're just a sissy.)
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To: SSR1
Slavery was an abomination! However, states rights were the issue.
I do agree that if the south had won, it would have been very bleak for the slaves and the South in the long term, but eventually, the entire system of slavery and their agricultural economy would break down .
I am basically a conservative, but it does pain me that it took around a hundred years before the blacks in this country were actually beginning to be treated correctly.
(please don't flame me for any welfare/goobermint giveaway programs....I'm a "Free beans and rice" to everyone.)
12 posted on 09/18/2005 6:26:20 AM PDT by jrg
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"The Southern Generals consistently described him as their toughest opponent."

Yeah, so Lincoln would keep him where he was.

A competent organizer and administrator, but no soldier.


13 posted on 09/18/2005 6:30:24 AM PDT by ryan71 (Speak softly and carry a BIG STICK)
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To: billorites

Your neighbor's grandmother must have been union, right?


14 posted on 09/18/2005 6:31:00 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: mainepatsfan
To be fair, he was also struggling under the burden of Pinkerton's analysis, and he must be judged with that in regard.

In the day, Pinkerton was considered a gold standard, at least in the beginning.

It was also his politics, or lack of political savvy that doomed him.

Think what would have happened if Pope or Burnside had commanded the Army of the Potomac at that time.

They might have established the Confederacy right then and there.

Antietam allowed the Emancipation Proclamation to be issued, and that is what ultimately allowed the war to be won.
15 posted on 09/18/2005 6:33:28 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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Joseph Johnston didn't think so. Commanding a Confederate army against McClellan's much stronger force in the Peninsular Campaign, he commented that nobody but McClellan would have hesitated to attack.
16 posted on 09/18/2005 6:34:17 AM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: bill1952
He had the same problems with overestimating Confederate strength during the Peninsula campaign.
17 posted on 09/18/2005 6:38:22 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: ryan71

I've often wondered what a McClellan presidency would have looked like.


18 posted on 09/18/2005 6:39:25 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: billorites
Snakes do not fear bee's...

and McClellan was king of the copperheads.

19 posted on 09/18/2005 6:46:12 AM PDT by johnny7 (“"Thing about a shark... he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes... like a doll's eyes.”)
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To: mainepatsfan
Absolutely correct. And right there he could have ended the war.

By one of the great ironies of history, a total victory there or at the Antietam would have brought the type of peace that he envisioned, not the one that was finally imposed after years of bloody warfare.

BTW, thanks for the post.

20 posted on 09/18/2005 6:51:25 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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