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John Paul's last words revealed
BBC News ^ | September 18, 2005

Posted on 09/18/2005 1:43:03 PM PDT by RWR8189

Pope John Paul II's last words before his death were "let me go to the house of the Father", according to documents released by the Vatican.

His words were spoken in his native Polish to aides hours before he died last April.

They are preserved in a new 220-page volume which chronicles the last two months of the late pontiff's life.

It is the first time the Vatican has published such a detailed account of any pope's final moments.

Parkinson's

Correspondents say the report is an unprecedented move, as the death of a pope has always been surrounded by secrecy.

The book is to go on sale shortly as a supplement to the Vatican's official journal, Acta Apostolicae Sedis.

It has entries in chronological order, starting in 31 January, the day the Holy See announced the pope's audiences were being suspended due to illness.

One entry on 24 February, says John Paul's convalescence was hampered by "very difficult swallowing", speech difficulties and "nutritional deficit and marked weakness".

Doctors have said some of those symptoms were consequences of the progression of Parkinson's disease, which the 84-year-old pontiff suffered from for years.

In the days leading up to his death, another entry describes the pope feeling a "sudden chill and violent shaking" during Mass. His temperature quickly rose to nearly 40C.

According to the Vatican account, the pope uttered his final words at 1530 on 2 April. "A little before 7pm, he went into a coma," it said.

"According to a Polish tradition, a small, lit candle illuminated the twilight of the room, where the Pope was expiring."

The Vatican announced John Paul's time of death as 2137.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; johnpaul; johnpaul2; johnpaulii; johnpaulthegreat; papacy; pope

1 posted on 09/18/2005 1:43:07 PM PDT by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189

What...So you have to buy the book to find out?

LOL


2 posted on 09/18/2005 1:44:32 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Revel

Its the first sentence of the article...


3 posted on 09/18/2005 1:45:58 PM PDT by RWR8189 ( Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Revel
So you have to buy the book to find out?

No, just RTFA.

4 posted on 09/18/2005 1:52:48 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: RWR8189

I had to read it twice to catch that.
susie


5 posted on 09/18/2005 1:52:58 PM PDT by brytlea (All you need as ID to vote in FL is your Costco card...)
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To: RWR8189

"beware of the auuuuggghhhh......"


6 posted on 09/18/2005 1:56:48 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: CzarNicky
I had a girlfriend whose grandmother was dying so the family had gathered around her. My ex girlfriend's mother is name Gay.

And her grandmother's last words were:

"Oh shut up, Gay."
7 posted on 09/18/2005 2:04:05 PM PDT by MarkeyD (Cindy - The new 'C' word! I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: RWR8189

"Rosebud...."


8 posted on 09/18/2005 2:06:39 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!!)
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To: Izzy Dunne; Revel; RWR8189
Now, now! If I was a nun I'd wrap you across the knuckles with my ruler! - I missed the first line too somehow. But thanks as a PC consultant I'm familiar with "RTFM" but I'd never seen "RTFA" - probably because its in the first line of the post that utilizes it?
;-)

RWR8189: Between Izzy and you - I think you were the more polite. ;-)

9 posted on 09/18/2005 2:07:26 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: RWR8189

"Its the first sentence of the article..."

Those were his final words?
Wierd.

I was hopeing it was, "Let us cross the river and rest
under the trees."


10 posted on 09/18/2005 2:08:36 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: RWR8189

OOPS I must be blind.


11 posted on 09/18/2005 2:09:36 PM PDT by Revel
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To: MarkeyD

"Oh shut up Gay"

I dare say that was not the first time Gay had heard that.


12 posted on 09/18/2005 2:11:19 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: RWR8189
Pope John Paul II's last words before his death were "let me go to the house of the Father"

I think that particular one is a lock.

13 posted on 09/18/2005 2:12:44 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
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To: Tunehead54

I would never expect it to be in the first line. They always make you read a bunch of the article before they tell you. I kept reading thru it looking for the words, but could not find them.

Now I am thinking that I assumed the bolded part was just the title and I was ignoring it.


14 posted on 09/18/2005 2:13:07 PM PDT by Revel
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To: MarkeyD
And her grandmother's last words were: "Oh shut up, Gay."

How do you know it wasn't a scathing indictment of homosexual-rights people?

15 posted on 09/18/2005 2:14:22 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
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To: tet68
I was hopeing it was, "Let us cross the river and rest under the trees."

Next Thursday's Powerball numbers would have been nice.

16 posted on 09/18/2005 2:15:49 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
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To: All

“Bosco!”


17 posted on 09/18/2005 2:28:54 PM PDT by johnny7 (“"Thing about a shark... he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes... like a doll's eyes.”)
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To: rottndog

EXCELLENT MOVIE! EXCELLENT!!!!


18 posted on 09/18/2005 2:44:34 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done good more for our country than anyone will know. He's a man of honor.)
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To: RWR8189

Bosco!


19 posted on 09/18/2005 2:44:58 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done good more for our country than anyone will know. He's a man of honor.)
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To: johnny7

Ooops, you beat me to it. :)


20 posted on 09/18/2005 2:46:50 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done good more for our country than anyone will know. He's a man of honor.)
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To: rottndog

I heard that the Pope leaned up from his deathbed, grabbed an attending cardinal by the cassock and whispered his last words, "What.. what is the answer?"
The cardinal looked startled and replied, "What was the question?"


21 posted on 09/18/2005 2:51:07 PM PDT by finnigan2
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To: Lazamataz
Too bad it wasn't "Have mercy on my soul for protecting child molesters"...
22 posted on 09/18/2005 2:53:14 PM PDT by chadwimc
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To: RWR8189; MarkeyD
John Paul's convalescence was hampered by "very difficult swallowing"...

Poor old guy. I'm glad he's in the House of the Father now, and not suffering anymore -- though we'll miss him.

Had to laugh at the "Oh, shut up" line, Markey.

Anyone else ever think of what you'd like your last words to be? I have. We probably won't have much control over it, being half out of our minds with pain -- or delirium. Hope mine aren't hurtful to anyone -- or worse, a stream of profanities. :-(

23 posted on 09/18/2005 3:00:10 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: chadwimc
Too bad it wasn't "Have mercy on my soul for protecting child molesters"...

What an ignorant comment. It speaks volumes about you.

24 posted on 09/18/2005 3:02:54 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Truth hurts, huh?


25 posted on 09/18/2005 3:09:42 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!!)
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To: RWR8189

Dagnabbit, I had "rat farts" in the pool...


26 posted on 09/18/2005 3:13:01 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: brytlea

For real? It was not only the first sentence of the piece, it was in bold.


27 posted on 09/18/2005 3:18:16 PM PDT by ShadowDancer (Stupid people make my brain sad.)
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To: ShadowDancer

It could have been worse. One recalls the Confederate general whose last words were, "There's no way they can hit us from that dist---".


28 posted on 09/18/2005 3:20:34 PM PDT by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: rottndog

She's not hurt in the least, as there is no truth in what you said.


29 posted on 09/18/2005 3:21:11 PM PDT by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised

So it's not true that the catholic church has protected child molesters?


30 posted on 09/18/2005 3:26:32 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!!)
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To: RWR8189
The Pope's last words?

"So long, and thanks for all the fish."

"I'll put in a good word for the new guy."

"At least I'll never live to see another JLo movie."

"If John Kerry is a good Catholic I'll eat my hat."

"I go now to be with the Father...the rest of you will just have to wait your turn."

31 posted on 09/18/2005 3:35:04 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: rottndog

It's not true that he had anyting to do with it. Which of course you knew before your initial post.


32 posted on 09/18/2005 3:36:23 PM PDT by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: RWR8189
Bummer. I expected the Pope's last words to be:

"These are my last words!"

33 posted on 09/18/2005 3:39:32 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: rottndog; chadwimc
Truth hurts, huh?

Actually, the truth is quite liberating.

"When the Rev. Jerry Falwell sued Flynt after Hustler published a cartoon insinuating Falwell committed incest, the media covered the story in detail. After Clinton was caught in an affair with Monica Lewinsky, the media had to figure out how to cover it in graphic and accurate detail, Thorn said. These two cases made it easier to cover sensitive topics such as child abuse.

The "perfect storm" of coverage of the Catholic Church, Thorn said, came to fruition starting in 2002, a year after the Boston Globe successfully sued to unseal Boston Archdiocese files on abuse. Using those records, the Globe published a series on sexual abuse in the archdiocese. Finally realizing the scope of the scandal, the bishops created the Office of Child and Youth Protection at a conference heavily attended by the media, Thorn said.

But the Vatican, which did not let bishops defrock priests, was reluctant to accept any reforms to fix the abuse problem, Thorn said.

Thorn closed by noting that abuse was not only a Catholic problem and was worse in many Protestant churches, but the media didn't cover this fact. "

Prof critiques coverage of (Catholic) church scandal (How the 'perfect storm' developed)

Ignorance hurts!

34 posted on 09/18/2005 3:51:38 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
So it isn't so bad because someone else is doing it?

The issue for many, including myself, is not that priests are molesting children, it's that the church hierarchy has known about it for a long time and sought to protect itself rather than throw those responsible out to be prosecuted.

Why is Cardinal Roger Mahony, who was just in the Vatican to elect the new pope, still obstructing the L.A. County DA's investigation into child molestation and the church's complicity?

Why was Cardinal Bernard Law allowed to escape to the Vatican and avoid testifying about his continual cover-ups of child molesting priests?

Why is the church more concerned about protecting its' image than finding the truth?

If you ask me, the Catholic Church behaves in many ways like a cult. Pope John Paul should have been begging for forgiveness in his last hours.
35 posted on 09/18/2005 4:24:39 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!!)
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To: ShadowDancer

I suppose I make your brain sad....
susie


36 posted on 09/18/2005 4:58:56 PM PDT by brytlea (All you need as ID to vote in FL is your Costco card...)
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To: rottndog
The issue for many, including myself, is not that priests are molesting children, it's that the church hierarchy has known about it for a long time and sought to protect itself rather than throw those responsible out to be prosecuted.

Do you have children? Do they attend public school? I will be more than happy to listen to your argumen if and when you can justify to me the lack of public(and your own personal) outrage aginst this .....

Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church

In fact, a local female school teacher has just been incarcerated for solliciting sex from her young male students. Why didn't this make national headlines.

*Why is Cardinal Roger Mahony, who was just in the Vatican to elect the new pope, still obstructing the L.A. County DA's investigation into child molestation and the church's complicity?*

What does this have to do with your post? Why single out Cardinal Mahony? Is he "your" bishop?

Pope John Paul should have been begging for forgiveness in his last hours.

And so should you for allowing the abuse in your community. "Judge not, lest you be judged".

37 posted on 09/18/2005 5:03:16 PM PDT by NYer
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To: rottndog
Why is Cardinal Roger Mahony, who was just in the Vatican to elect the new pope, still obstructing the L.A. County DA's investigation into child molestation and the church's complicity?

You'll find very few FReeper Catholics with anything good to say about Roger Cardinal Mahony. Most of us will celebrate when he's gone.

Why was Cardinal Bernard Law allowed to escape to the Vatican and avoid testifying about his continual cover-ups of child molesting priests?

You're mistaken; Law did testify. In fact, I believe his deposition was posted to FR at one point.

If you ask me, the Catholic Church behaves in many ways like a cult.

This is always the bottom line, of course.

38 posted on 09/18/2005 5:09:43 PM PDT by Campion (Truth is not determined by a majority vote -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: brytlea
I suppose I make your brain sad....

Nah, it takes way more than that to do it. Besides, I do stupid things on a daily basis. Yours doesn't even rank on a stupid scale. I could give you fifteen things I did worse in the first three hours I was awake today.

39 posted on 09/18/2005 5:58:20 PM PDT by ShadowDancer (Stupid people make my brain sad.)
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To: NYer
Once again you invoke the Clinton defense: "My transgressions aren't that bad because other people do it." That doesn't fly. When teachers, or anyone else for that matter, are caught molesting children, I have no problem locking them up forever. There is plenty of outrage at all molestations. Why do you try so hard to deflect criticism of the church when it is so rightly deserved?

Roger Mahony is a prime example of the Church's refusal to own up to its' mistakes. He continually transferred known molesting priests around to different parishes, where they continued to molest. And even now he is refusing to turn over documents about his actions to the L.A. D.A.'s office. Any time it wants to, the church can order Mahony to cooperate with the investigation, but it refuses. Why?
40 posted on 09/18/2005 6:39:28 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!!)
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To: ShadowDancer

Darn, I can't even be stupid better than other people!! :0
Anyway, I missed it because I think when I read thru it the first time I was looking at that as a headline....or something. If that excuse doesn't work, I'll think of another! ;)
susie


41 posted on 09/18/2005 6:42:49 PM PDT by brytlea (All you need as ID to vote in FL is your Costco card...)
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To: Campion
If he did give depositions, then I am mistaken. However, will he be forced to return and testify in ongoing litigation and criminal trials? And beyond the legal system, shouldn't he be made to answer to the people he served for his heinous behavior?

It seems to me that by allowing him to live the remainder of his life safe in the Vatican the church is once again invoking CYA. Isn't this fundamentally wrong?
42 posted on 09/18/2005 6:45:16 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!!)
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To: chadwimc

I'm a Protestant but I know your comment stinks


43 posted on 09/18/2005 6:48:49 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: RWR8189

I wonder if Hannity was advising the Pope?


44 posted on 09/18/2005 6:49:44 PM PDT by devane617
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To: CzarNicky
"beware of the auuuuggghhhh......"

"No, it's more in the back of the throat... aaaaaaaannnnggghhhhhh."

45 posted on 09/18/2005 6:50:07 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: RWR8189
Vatican Issues Report on Pope John Paul II's (final hours)
46 posted on 09/18/2005 7:01:15 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: RWR8189

While I'm healthy, it never hurts to plan ahead. So I'm thinking of what my last words should be. Here are some of my finalists:


1. "I wish I'd spent more time at the office."
2. "Last touch!" (while tagging person next to me.)
3. "I need to talk to a member of Code Pink. That's one thing you can't do in Heaven."


47 posted on 09/18/2005 7:04:19 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: Izzy Dunne

you know, I had a pithy smart aleck post all written, but then I thought about it and deleted it.

PBUY


48 posted on 09/18/2005 7:11:43 PM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: chadwimc

cretin


49 posted on 09/18/2005 7:47:43 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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