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“True Christian” troll zotted to kingdom come. No apologies forthcoming.
Bishop Nigel Zotworthy

Posted on 09/19/2005 4:03:51 AM PDT by ForkedTongueFreepers

True Christians would not lie to cover up for their criminal negligence and failures leading up to the attacks of the 11th September 2001, which killed thousands of innocents.

True Christians would not ignore other countries human rights abuses, in order to get their support for a so called "war on terror".

True Christians would not lie, and decieve their people into believing that another nation posed a "clear and present danger" in order to initiate an attack on another nation which would kill innocent people.

True Christians would not ignore torture and abuse, and would not attempt to make excuses for the scumbags who carry out that torture and abuse, and those who ordered people to torture and abuse captives.

True Christians would not argue about legal niceties, or their role in helping their own countrymen, women and children following a natural disaster. They would offer their help unconditionally.

True Christians would not deny help for those in need.

True Christians would speak out against those who speak with a forked tongue. When those who claim to be Christians don't act in a Christian manner, then Christian leaders must speak out. Church of England Bishops have called on Christian leaders to speak out and publicly apologise for the Iraq war. It's long past time for true Christians to speak up.


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1 posted on 09/19/2005 4:03:52 AM PDT by ForkedTongueFreepers
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

Buh-bye!!!


2 posted on 09/19/2005 4:05:19 AM PDT by workerbee (A person's a person no matter how small)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

I'm sorry we didn't kick their butts earlier.


3 posted on 09/19/2005 4:05:33 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

True Christians don't post and run...off with sparks flyin outta their booty.


4 posted on 09/19/2005 4:07:03 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [Quicquid peius optimo nefas])
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

And just WHO is going to decide if I'm a true Christian?


5 posted on 09/19/2005 4:07:54 AM PDT by BallyBill ("Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country...")
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers


Lyrics to "We Didn't Start the Fire"
Copyrighted Maritime Music (1989)





Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray
South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio

Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, television
North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

Rosenbergs, H-bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
Brando, "The King and I" and "The Catcher in the Rye"

Eisenhower, vaccine, England's got a new queen
Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye

CHORUS
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Joseph Stalin, Malenkov, Nasser aand Prokofiev
Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc

Roy hn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, dacron
Dien Bien Phu falls, "Rock Around the Clock"

Einstein, James Dean, Brooklyn's got a winning team
Davy Crockett, Peter Pan, Elvis Presley, Disneyland

Bardot, Budapest, Alabama, Krushchev
Princess Grace, "Peyton Place", trouble in the Suez

CHORUS

Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac
Sputnik, Chou En-Lai, "Bridge on the River Kwai"

Lebanon, Charlse de Gaulle, California baseball
Starkweather, homicide, children of thalidomide

Buddy Holly, "Ben Hur", space monkey, Mafia
Hula hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no-go

U-2, Syngman Rhee, payola and Kennedy
Chubby Checker, "Psycho", Belgians in the Congo

CHORUS

Hemingway, Eichmann, "Stranger in a Strange Land"
Dylan, Berlin, Bay of Pigs invasion

"Lawrence of Arabia", British Beatlemania
Ole Miss, John Glenn, Liston beats Patterson

Pope Paul, Malcolm X, British politician sex
JFK, blown away, what else do I have to say

CHORUS

Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon back again
Moonshot, Woodsto, Watergate, punk rock
Begin, Reagan, Palestine, terror on the airline
Ayatollah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan

"Wheel of Fortune", Sally Ride, heavy metal, suicide
Foreign debts, homeless vets, AIDS, crack, Bernie Goetz
Hypodermics on the shores, China's under martial law
Rock and roller cola wars, I can't take it anymore

CHORUS

We didn't start the fire
But when we are gone
Will it still burn on, and on, and on, and on...



6 posted on 09/19/2005 4:07:59 AM PDT by airborne
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers
Crusades.
7 posted on 09/19/2005 4:08:21 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

You're gonna miss your shool bus, Susie!


8 posted on 09/19/2005 4:08:53 AM PDT by airborne
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

Hey troll!


9 posted on 09/19/2005 4:09:16 AM PDT by stockpirate (If you are a John Kerry fan check out my about me page, you'll toss your lunch.)
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To: Admin Moderator
"Forkedtonguefreepers"?

Is any screen name suitable when registering on this forum?

Leni

10 posted on 09/19/2005 4:10:22 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers
Sigh ...

Try again in a few years and remember, if it smells bad, don't eat it.



11 posted on 09/19/2005 4:10:22 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

Sounds very much ike what the terrorists say about Muslims that don't believe the way they do.

So I am not a true Christian if I don't see the sworld thru your "Socialist One World Government" eyes.


12 posted on 09/19/2005 4:10:54 AM PDT by stockpirate (If you are a John Kerry fan check out my about me page, you'll toss your lunch.)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers
KMA. You wouldn't know a true Christian if you stepped on one.

Oh, my mistake. You're stepping on several thousand serving in Iraq as we speak.

13 posted on 09/19/2005 4:11:11 AM PDT by Egon (By the way, I took the liberty of fertilizing your caviar.)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

A true Christian would not post such trash knowing they are misleading the readers of this post.


14 posted on 09/19/2005 4:11:51 AM PDT by stockpirate (If you are a John Kerry fan check out my about me page, you'll toss your lunch.)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers
"True Christians would not deny help for those in need."

Like the Iraqi people weren't in serious need?

True Christians do what they can do.

True Christians don't judge other Christians while fully impaired by a beam firmly implanted in face... Much less a splinter in the eye...
15 posted on 09/19/2005 4:12:06 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

IBTZ!


16 posted on 09/19/2005 4:12:58 AM PDT by Begin (Mister, we could use a man like Ronald Reagan again.)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers; Admin Moderator

Here kitty kitty


17 posted on 09/19/2005 4:13:53 AM PDT by stockpirate (If you are a John Kerry fan check out my about me page, you'll toss your lunch.)
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18 posted on 09/19/2005 4:14:05 AM PDT by airborne
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers
Last comment.

True Christians are forgiven.
19 posted on 09/19/2005 4:14:10 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

Forked tongue, I say you're a moron.


20 posted on 09/19/2005 4:14:39 AM PDT by stockpirate (If you are a John Kerry fan check out my about me page, you'll toss your lunch.)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

I know that I admire any group that interrupts their important apostacy and buggery long enough to give moral support to Islamic extremists.


21 posted on 09/19/2005 4:14:52 AM PDT by niteowl77
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To: VRWCmember

Trolling for a zot ping.


22 posted on 09/19/2005 4:15:36 AM PDT by secret garden (<= easily amused)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers


23 posted on 09/19/2005 4:15:42 AM PDT by PilloryHillary
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

True Christians understand the business of the church is to bring people to Christ. I don't recall Paul speaking out against the Roman empire or rallying a Roman uprising. Perhaps its time for the Church of England to refocus.


24 posted on 09/19/2005 4:15:58 AM PDT by HarleyD ("...and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed." Act 13:48)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

What makes you think everyone on FR is Christian?

I think we have a few pagans on here, too.


25 posted on 09/19/2005 4:16:29 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers; Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; Conspiracy Guy; NYC GOP Chick; ...
Too Easy. Come back again sometime.


26 posted on 09/19/2005 4:17:21 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: airborne

LOL!


27 posted on 09/19/2005 4:17:44 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers
Hah, the church of england is a joke. It's clergy is just a refuge for liberals and atheists who want power and don't want to work.
28 posted on 09/19/2005 4:17:59 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

Some trolls are more obnoxious than others. You're right up there, baby.


29 posted on 09/19/2005 4:19:25 AM PDT by gridlock (IF YOU'RE NOT CATCHING FLAK, YOU'RE NOT OVER THE TARGET...)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

BTW, the COE has about as much consistency and moral authority as the Church of Scientology in my book. They are my "Mother Church", but Mama has gone a little bit batty, and we're keeping her in the attic...


30 posted on 09/19/2005 4:20:26 AM PDT by gridlock (IF YOU'RE NOT CATCHING FLAK, YOU'RE NOT OVER THE TARGET...)
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To: OpusatFR

I guess you guys are off the hook, then. Must be nice.


31 posted on 09/19/2005 4:20:30 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, protector of the Innocent, pray for us!)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

In 1953, Archbishop of Canterbury William Temple, in his book Nature and God, said, “...there is no such thing as revealed truth.”

In 1960, Episcopalian Bishop James Pike said the doctrine of the Trinity is “outdated, incomprehensible and nonessential” (The Christian Century, Dec. 21, 1960). (Billy Graham was a guest at Pike’s ordination on May 15, 1958 and praised the liberal bishop in glowing terms. Nine days later, Graham invited Pike to sit on the platform during his evangelistic crusade in San Francisco and had him lead in prayer. On Dec. 4, 1960, Graham spoke in Pike’s pulpit at Grace Cathedral in San Francisco.)

In 1961, Archbishop of Canterbury Michael Ramsey said, “... heaven is not a place for Christians only. ... I expect to see many present day atheists there” (London Daily Mail, Oct. 2, 1961). That same year, Bishop James Pike called the virgin birth of Christ a “primitive myth” and said that Joseph was probably Jesus’ real father (Redbook magazine, August 1961). He also said that Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden, heaven, and hell are myths. (Billy Graham invited Ramsey to the platform during his 1975 crusade in Brazil and allowed him to speak to the crowd. Fundamental Evangelistic Association News & Views, May-June 1975)

In 1963, Episcopal theologian Paul van Buren started the God-is-dead movement with the publication of his book The Secular Meaning of the Gospel. That same year, Anglican Bishop John Robinson said in his book Honest to God, “The whole scheme of a supernatural being coming down from heaven to ‘save’ mankind from sin ... is frankly incredible to man ‘come of age.’”

In 1967, after heresy charges were brought against Bishop James Pike, the Episcopal Church in America adopted a resolution declaring that all heresy was out of date. That year, Canon Hugh Montifiore of Cambridge University’s main church said, “Jesus might have been a homosexual” (Christianity Today, Aug. 18, 1967). (Montifiore was the advisor for the Cambridge Billy Graham Television Crusade.)

In 1968, the Church of England’s Lambeth Conference voted that Anglican clergy are no longer required to agree to the denomination’s 39 articles of faith.

In 1976, John Spong was ordained as the bishop of the Episcopal diocese of Newark, New Jersey, even though he denied practically every doctrine of the Christian faith.

In 1978, Anglican Bishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa said the Holy Spirit shines through Mahatma Gandhi, who is a Hindu (St. Alban’s Cathedral, Pretoria, South Africa, Nov. 23, 1978).

In 1980, Tutu said, “It may be that Jesus was an illegitimate son” (Cape Times, Oct. 24, 1980).

In 1982 Archbishop of Canterbury Robert Runcie said he was an agnostic as to why Jesus suffered on the cross (Sunday Times Weekly Review, London, April 11, 1982). That same year, Episcopal Bishop John Spong, writing in the Christian Century (Jan. 6-13, 1982), condemned traditional evangelistic and missionary endeavors and said that biblical absolutism is “a vice.” (Billy Graham was one of the honored guests at Runcie’s ordination in March 1980, and Graham spoke highly of the liberal archbishop during his evangelistic crusades in England in 1984 and 1989.)

In 1984, David Jenkins, Anglican Bishop of Durham, described Christ’s resurrection as “a conjuring trick with bones” (“English Bishop Calls Christ’s Resurrection Conjuring Trick,” AP, St. Louis Post Dispatch, Oct. 28, 1984). Jenkins also said, “The Christian is not bound up with freak biology or corpses getting up and walking around” and “You don’t have to believe in the virgin birth.” (On July 9, 1984, three days after Jenkins was consecrated bishop, lightning struck his cathedral and caused extensive damage. A spokesman for the fire brigade said that though the roof was fully wired with lightning rods, none of them worked that morning; the smoke detectors in the ceiling did not go off, even though they were tested only a month before; and there was no thunder accompanying the lightning. EP News Service, Dec. 21, 1984).

In 1984, the Associated Press reported that only 20 of 31 Church of England bishops polled insisted that Christians must accept Jesus as both God and man.

In 1985, the Jesus Seminar was founded with the help of Episcopalians, including Marcus Borg of Oregon State University. The Seminar claims that Jesus spoke only about 20% of the things attributed to him in the New Testament and that the Jesus described in the Bible is largely a fiction. They claim he wasn’t born of a virgin, didn’t walk on the water, didn’t rise from bodily the dead, and had no intention of starting a new Christian religion. They also claim that there was no Jewish trial of Jesus before the crucifixion and the Jewish crowd did not participate in his condemnation.

In 1986, Anglican Bishop David Jenkins got a standing ovation from the general synod of the Church of England when he defended his doubts about the virgin birth and bodily resurrection of Christ (Associated Press, July 7, 1986). Jenkins called the God of the Bible “a cultic idol” (Ecumenical Press Service, July 16-21, 1986).

In 1987, a panel of seven Episcopal bishops dismissed heresy charges against Bishop John Spong.

In 1988, Spong published his book Living in Sin: A Bishop Rethinks Human Sexuality. He said, “The time has surely come not just to tolerate, or even to accept, but to celebrate and welcome the presence among us of our gay and lesbian fellow human beings” (p. 199). That year Spong visited a Buddhist temple and said, “As the smell of incense filled the air, I knelt before three images of the Buddha, feeling that the smoke could carry my prayers heavenward. It was for me a holy moment for I was certain that I was kneeling on holy ground” (“A Dialogue in a Buddhist Temple,” John Spong, The Voice, Jan. 1989).

In January 1989, a committee composed of five Episcopal bishops unanimously dismissed a second set of heresy charges that had been brought against Bishop John Spong. Toward the end of that year, Spong ordained the first openly practicing homosexual to the Episcopal priesthood. The man, Robert Williams, was diagnosed with AIDS less than two years later.

In November 1991, John Spong conducted a seminar in Bangor, Pennsylvania, entitled “Exorcising Fundamentalism, Sexual Phobias and Other Demons.”

In 1993, a survey of nearly 20,000 Episcopalians showed that seventy percent believed “faithful Christians can be sexually active gays and lesbians” (Christian News, Nov. 1, 1993). Seventy-five percent approved of living with someone of the opposite sex without marriage.

In 1994, it was reported by the Sunday Times (July 31) in London that at least 100 Anglican priests are atheists who do not believe in “an external, supernatural God.”

In 1996, Archbishop of Canterbury George Carey lashed out at fundamentalists who place the Bible “above and beyond human inquiry” (Christian News, Dec. 9, 1996). That same year, the doctrinal commission of the Church of England said hell is not a place of fire and eternal torment. And Episcopal Bishop John Spong wrote in his paper that the image of God in the Bible is “no longer operative” (ENI, Dec. 6, 1996).

In 1997, a survey found that 31% of Anglican vicars in England do not believe in the virgin birth (Alliance Life, March 12, 1997). Actually that figure would probably have been much higher had the survey attempted to discover the number of vicars who believe in the virgin birth only in a figurative manner.

In his 1991 book Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism, Episcopal Bishop John Spong said the apostle Paul was “a self hating, repressed homosexual.” That year, Spong ordained another homosexual priest, Barry Stopfel. Lesbian Episcopal priest Carter Heyward delivered the ordination sermon. When Stopfel’s male “lover” was introduced, the audience applauded.

In 1998 Episcopalian Bishop John Spong said, “I would choose to loathe rather than to worship a deity who required the sacrifice of his son” (Christianity Today, June 15, 1998). That same year, retiring Episcopal Presiding Bishop Edmond Browning said, “It is time to move past using literalistic readings of the Bible to create prejudices against our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters” (Calvary Contender, May 1, 1998).

In 2002, Richard Harries, Anglican Bishop of Oxford, said Christians should pray to “God the Mother” (The Times, Nov. 3, 2002). That same year, retired Bishop Spong proposed a “new Christianity,” which must be able to “incorporate all of our reality. It must be able to allow God and Satan to come together in each of us. ... It must unite Christ with Antichrist, Jesus with Judas, male with female, heterosexual with homosexual” (World, July 8, 2002).

In April 2003, Episcopalian bishop Charles Bennison said that Jesus Christ was a sinner (Worthy News, April 14, 2003).

On June 7, 2003, the Diocese of New Hampshire elected the first openly homosexual bishop in the history of the Episcopal Church USA. The election must be confirmed by the General Convention, which meets in Minneapolis in July. Thirteen years ago the newly elected bishop, V. Gene Robinson, broke his marriage vows when he left his wife and two young daughters and moved in with his male partner. In a speech in April 29, 2000, the day before a homosexual march in Washington, D.C., Robinson said: “... we are worthy to hold our heads high as gay folk — NOT because we’ve merely decided we are worthy, but because God has proclaimed it so. That we are loved beyond our wildest imagining by a God who made us the way we are and proclaimed it good. We proclaim today that we too read our Bibles, and through the voices of its many witnesses, we hear God’s voice — NOT saying ‘You are an abomination,’ but rather, ‘You are my beloved.’ We lay an equal claim to a savior who loves us as we are and who died to save us from our ‘manifold sins and wickedness,’ which does NOT include our being gay. And we come here today, laying claim to our full membership -- our FULL membership -- in the Body of Christ.”


32 posted on 09/19/2005 4:20:38 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

We're putting you on the last train to Zotsville. Buh bye!


33 posted on 09/19/2005 4:21:53 AM PDT by dennisw (If you can serve a cup of tea right, you can do anything. - Gurdjieff)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

Anglicans have not a clue as to what defines a true Christian. Pray for them.


34 posted on 09/19/2005 4:21:56 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (If only those NO School buses had been airconditioned, everything would have been okay????)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers
DIE TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
35 posted on 09/19/2005 4:23:41 AM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

Wusse troll!


36 posted on 09/19/2005 4:24:07 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers
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37 posted on 09/19/2005 4:25:16 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

True Christians don't consecrate homosexuals.


38 posted on 09/19/2005 4:25:17 AM PDT by N. Theknow (If you need a business, then make it your business to mind your own business.)
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To: dennisw
Crewmembers stand a force protection watch at one of the .50-caliber machine gun mounts aboard ship while USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63).

Freepers stand a force protection watch at one of the .50-caliber machine gun mounts

39 posted on 09/19/2005 4:25:51 AM PDT by dennisw (If you can serve a cup of tea right, you can do anything. - Gurdjieff)
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40 posted on 09/19/2005 4:26:51 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, grow up!)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

You wouldn't recognize a TRUE CHRISTIAN if one walked up to you and slapped that big head of yours with a BIBLE. Do yourself a favor and get off of that soap box you have placed yourself and get a clue.


41 posted on 09/19/2005 4:27:02 AM PDT by Arpege92 ("I am happy, be it yourselves." - Pope John Paul II)
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To: bahblahbah

Excellent summary post from you.


42 posted on 09/19/2005 4:27:09 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/02/15/nclerg15.xml

"Quoting from a survey carried out in 2002 of what the Church of England believed in, he said just 76 per cent of clergy believed Jesus Christ died to take away the sins of the world, 68 per cent believed Jesus rose physically from the dead and 53 per cent believed faith in Jesus was the only way they could be saved. Among women clergy, the figures came in at about 10 per cent lower in each category."

What a bunch of apostates. And these were things the clergy admitted to. These numbers are probably much higher than reality.


43 posted on 09/19/2005 4:28:38 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

Tell it to St. Thomas Aquinas.


44 posted on 09/19/2005 4:28:46 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: TexasCajun

VISUAL...AAHHH MY EYES!!!! : )


46 posted on 09/19/2005 4:30:34 AM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

The secular humanist gospel = An abomination to God. Marxism sprinkled with passivism.


47 posted on 09/19/2005 4:31:26 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats = The Excrement of America)
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

First a-holes to be beheaded when the RELIGION OF PEACE takes over! Hope they don't mind a clean slice!


48 posted on 09/19/2005 4:32:15 AM PDT by Doc Savage (...because they stand on a wall, and they say nothing is going to hurt you tonight, not on my watch!)
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To: agere_contra

I just copied it from a really fundi-baptist website. I don't agree with a lot they say(like why the hating on Graham) but most of the info looks good.


49 posted on 09/19/2005 4:35:07 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: ForkedTongueFreepers

The dhimmi church has spoken.


50 posted on 09/19/2005 4:35:14 AM PDT by sphinx
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