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Looters' caches popping up in New Orleans
AP ^ | 9/19/5 | BRETT MARTEL

Posted on 09/19/2005 7:41:43 AM PDT by SmithL

NEW ORLEANS - It was like a modern-day treasure map - a computerized diagram of neighborhoods with codes marking the addresses where National Guard soldiers came upon caches of goods taken by looters in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

"There's probably still loot out there" hidden in various homes, Capt. Gregg McGowan said from his Oklahoma National Guard unit's makeshift headquarters.

"We're not going house-to-house looking for it, but if we find it, we secure it so police can check it."

In the chaos that followed Katrina's flooding, looters targeted everything from grocery stores to gun shops to trendy women's clothing boutiques. Now that the city is mostly empty of civilians, military patrols making house-to-house checks for remaining residents or the dead are finding some of the hiding places for the stolen goods.

New Orleans District Attorney Eddie Jordan said he intends to prosecute as many looters as he can. However, few arrests have been made thus far because authorities have been primarily concerned with reaching stranded residents, Jordan said.

The guardsmen recently thought they had caught a looter coming back into town to load his stash onto a moving truck. Inside his home, the soldiers found automobile parts stacked 8 feet high, a new off-road motorcycle and various electronics, including a video game system with a pawn shop ticket still attached.

But the man told the soldiers he had no idea where the goods came from and that someone else must have broken into his home and stashed them there after he evacuated. Skeptical, the soldiers detained him until police arrived, filled out a report and seized the goods. They took the man's name and address, but did not arrest him.

"You could be technical and say, 'I'm going to book him with possession of stolen property,' but then you have to find out who the owner is, find out whether that person had permission take that property," New Orleans Police Capt. Marlon Defillo said.

"So what we're generally doing is seizing the goods as found property and writing a report."

That way, he explained, authorities can return the goods if they figure out where they came from - rather than holding them as evidence pending the resolution of often drawn-out criminal cases.

In other homes, McGowan's unit found automatic teller machines that had been broken open and emptied of cash and bags of ammunition still packaged in 500-round bundles, not the individual boxes of 20 rounds usually sold over the counter.

A smashed-open video poker machine, likely taken from a bar, was left lying on the sidewalk of an Uptown residential street.

In a church-run assisted living home close to a heavily looted Wal-Mart in the lower Garden District, a team of guardsmen found new bicycles, stereos and clothing. Someone associated with the church, who refused to give his name, said at least seven rooms in the four-story residence were filled with goods believed to be stolen.

New Orleans police are storing seized loot in a makeshift warehouse near the city's train station, Defillo said. He declined to provide details on how many goods had been found, how many businesses or homes had been looted, or if authorities had any long-term plan to track down some of the culprits.

"We haven't even had time to deal with that yet," he said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: loot; nopd; urbanbarbarians
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Yeah, I know. Somehow, this must be Bush's fault.
1 posted on 09/19/2005 7:41:43 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

But it's understandable. They've been oppressed all their lives, and they needed to eat.


2 posted on 09/19/2005 7:45:15 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: SmithL
I hope that there is still some fingerprint evidence. If those prints are in the system, then I hope the culprits are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Then again, news like this probably dissuades the real culprits from coming back to New Orleans.


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3 posted on 09/19/2005 7:45:59 AM PDT by rdb3 (NON-conservative, American exceptionalist here.)
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To: SmithL

They needed poker games, ATMs, ammo, and bikes "just to survive." /sarc


4 posted on 09/19/2005 7:46:01 AM PDT by angkor
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To: rdb3
Then again, news like this probably dissuades the real culprits from coming back to New Orleans.

Most of these thugs will fall for the old, "Come and pick up the check we are holding for you" ruse.

5 posted on 09/19/2005 7:49:46 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SmithL
New Orleans District Attorney Eddie Jordan said he intends to prosecute as many looters as he can. However, few arrests have been made thus far because authorities have been primarily concerned with reaching stranded residents, Jordan said.

Like really right.

The guardsmen recently thought they had caught a looter coming back into town to load his stash onto a moving truck. Inside his home, the soldiers found automobile parts stacked 8 feet high, a new off-road motorcycle and various electronics, including a video game system with a pawn shop ticket still attached. But the man told the soldiers he had no idea where the goods came from and that someone else must have broken into his home and stashed them there after he evacuated. Skeptical, the soldiers detained him until police arrived, filled out a report and seized the goods. They took the man's name and address, but did not arrest him.

This is equally rich. What? You gonna believe what I tell you or your own lyin' eyes?

6 posted on 09/19/2005 7:50:16 AM PDT by Jaded (Hell sometimes has fluorescent lighting and a trumpet. Whadda you mean sometimes?)
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To: SmithL

Sounds like someone had an underwater blow torch opening ATM's. Those things probably aren't very easy to get into...


7 posted on 09/19/2005 7:52:09 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: SmithL
New Orleans District Attorney Eddie Jordan said he intends to prosecute as many looters as he can.

"You could be technical and say, 'I'm going to book him with possession of stolen property,' but then you have to find out who the owner is, find out whether that person had permission take that property," New Orleans Police Capt. Marlon Defillo said.

Jordan intends to prosecute looters...but he can't. It's just too dang much trouble. But he really, really meant well, so remember that when he comes up for reelection, ya hear?

8 posted on 09/19/2005 7:52:16 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Paleo Conservative
But it's understandable. They've been oppressed all their lives, and they needed to eat.

Hey, don't knock fricaseed mountain bike till you've tried it. My gramma always said to boil it extra long, to tenderize it a bit.

9 posted on 09/19/2005 7:54:05 AM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: SmithL

Avast ye! Them land lubbers done smartly go on account. The loot be not hidden with the "X"..AAAaaaarr.


10 posted on 09/19/2005 7:57:53 AM PDT by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: SmithL
Inside his home, the soldiers found automobile parts stacked 8 feet high, a new off-road motorcycle and various electronics, including a video game system with a pawn shop ticket still attached.

... but... but... but the only things these so-called "looters" were taking, throughout the entire Katrina debacle, was absolutely essential life-or-death stuff like bottled water, and day-old bread, and stuff like that, there! And anyone who says otherwise is just a big, mean ol' racist stinkypants! THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA SAID SO, GOLDANG IT -- !!!!

11 posted on 09/19/2005 7:59:44 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-G-d, PRO-LIFE..." -- FR founder Jim Robinson)
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To: Dallas59

Argh! That be today?


12 posted on 09/19/2005 8:01:14 AM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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To: SmithL

They just wanted to touch those things.


13 posted on 09/19/2005 8:01:31 AM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: McGruff; leadpenny; Bahbah; YaYa123; DollyCali; malia

"They just took food and water" ping.


14 posted on 09/19/2005 8:02:46 AM PDT by Springman
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To: SmithL
In a town full of criminals, how do they find victims?

Rent them?

15 posted on 09/19/2005 8:03:21 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: SmithL

They're leaving the New Orleans police to "check on it?" HAHAHAHAHA

Apologies to honest law enforcement officers everywhere...


16 posted on 09/19/2005 8:03:34 AM PDT by madison10
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To: rdb3
news like this probably dissuades the real culprits from coming back to New Orleans.

That assumes these $&^*heads pay attention to the news ...

bags of ammunition still packaged in 500-round bundles

Hey!!! I resemble that.

17 posted on 09/19/2005 8:04:57 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SmithL

Shure enough matie. Shiver me Timbers.


18 posted on 09/19/2005 8:05:01 AM PDT by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Eat your TV.


19 posted on 09/19/2005 8:05:33 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: rdb3
Inside his home, the soldiers found automobile parts stacked 8 feet high, a new off-road motorcycle and various electronics, including a video game system with a pawn shop ticket still attached.

I hope that there is still some fingerprint evidence. If those prints are in the system, then I hope the culprits are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Huh?

You need no finger print evidence when stolen good are found inside your own home.

20 posted on 09/19/2005 8:06:14 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: SmithL

Arrrr... If me mateys in the French Quarter be lootin' an pillagin' then they'll be in fer a keel haulin'!


21 posted on 09/19/2005 8:07:49 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: SmithL

Giving the seized/recovered property to the NOPD is like putting chickens in a fox den. If the city attny intends to prosecute the looters some of the men in blue will have to be included.


22 posted on 09/19/2005 8:08:12 AM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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To: Dallas59

SO it be.
Mad Harry Kidd.


23 posted on 09/19/2005 8:09:17 AM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Ping to Celine Dion and her ilk ~ please reply to this thread at FR


24 posted on 09/19/2005 8:11:22 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: SmithL

"So police can check it"

LOL, you mean "So the police can loot the loot."


25 posted on 09/19/2005 8:11:54 AM PDT by Sometimes A River ("The leaves have broken on Lake Ponktran" - WKAT 1360 AM Miami Newsreader)
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To: ArrogantBustard

"bags of ammunition still packaged in 500-round bundles"

"Hey!!! I resemble that."

Me, too. The smallest amount I buy at a time is 300 rounds. If I find a good price, I go for the 1,000-round case lots.


26 posted on 09/19/2005 8:15:15 AM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: Zacs Mom

Oh sure. I can do that. These folks are looting because they are oppressed. They're merely fighting back against President Bush's secret plan to get rid of all black people. How's that?


27 posted on 09/19/2005 8:16:31 AM PDT by RexBeach ("The rest of the world is three drinks behind." -Humphrey Bogart)
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To: SmithL
But the man told the soldiers he had no idea where the goods
came from and that someone else must have broken into his home
and stashed them there after he evacuated.

Aha!   No wonder Pres. Bush kept showing up in New Orleans!  He was stash'n goods!  It's his fault!

28 posted on 09/19/2005 8:17:12 AM PDT by jigsaw (God Bless Our Troops.)
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To: SmithL
The guardsmen "thought" they had a looter when he arrived with a moving van to load his stolen stuff. But the man told the guardsmen he was just there to check on his parakeet.

The moving van?? for bird seed of course!

29 posted on 09/19/2005 8:17:13 AM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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To: Zacs Mom
They're NOT looters.

They're undocumented removers.

30 posted on 09/19/2005 8:17:39 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: SmithL

I understand that the racks of country and western CD's in Wal-Mart were the safest place to be during the looting. Nobody came near them!


31 posted on 09/19/2005 8:17:53 AM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: Black Tooth
Huh?

You need no finger print evidence when stolen good are found inside your own home.

"Huh" hell.

You would need fingerprints to charge and prosecute the ones who actually did the taking.


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32 posted on 09/19/2005 8:19:06 AM PDT by rdb3 (NON-conservative, American exceptionalist here.)
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To: SmithL
New Orleans police are storing seized loot in a makeshift warehouse near the city's train station, Defillo said.

Nice of AP to let the thieves know where their stash is being stored.

33 posted on 09/19/2005 8:21:40 AM PDT by beckysueb (God bless America and President Bush.)
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To: rdb3
I hope that there is still some fingerprint evidence. If those prints are in the system, then I hope the culprits are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Huh?

You need no finger print evidence when stolen goods are found inside your own home.

"Huh" hell.

That's what they'd tell you when they hooked you up.

You would need fingerprints to charge and prosecute the ones who actually did the taking.

LOL. Where did you get that one?

Maybe that's what all the meth heads should say when their homes are raided. "But officer, my finger prints aren't on those items, I have no idea how it got in my home". HA!

You really haven't a clue. Let me tell you, if they find a whole house full of stolen good in your house, and you live in that house, your going to get convicted and be jailed regardless if your finger prints are on the goods or not.

34 posted on 09/19/2005 8:31:10 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: SmithL
MSNBC has a special last night with a Rabbi, Priest and a black woman who's title I don't know -- all making excuses for looters because they are poor.

This really upsets me making excuses for people stealing other than food and water... it goes to the very fabric of civilized society and if nothing it shows how badly a Socialist, welfare, society will break down -- given an opportunity, people who have never had to work for anything think it's okay to just take what you want because it's owed to them since they are poor -- yet (IMHO) they are poor because they didn't bother to get the free education we give everyone in this country and they can't -- or won't -- get a decent job.

35 posted on 09/19/2005 8:34:56 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Black Tooth
Actually, under a mandatory evac order with periods of no law enforcement control, yes you do need evidence beyond the presence of stolen goods in order to gain a conviction. You could just as easily return from your temporary exile to find squatters in your home or evidence that some had been there. It is not unreasonable to think that the squatters also stashed their loot in your house during their occupation. Unlikely? Far fetched? Perhaps, but all it takes is reasonable doubt and I am sure there will be documented cases to which a new defendant can point. It will take additional corroborating evidence if the defense attorney is even marginally competent.
36 posted on 09/19/2005 8:37:12 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: SmithL
Now that the city is mostly empty of civilians, military patrols making house-to-house checks for remaining residents or the dead are finding some of the hiding places for the stolen goods.

More than likely, none of the recovered loot will be admissable in court as evidence. It will be interesting to see how it plays out as to whether or not the N.G. or NOPD had legal cause to enter the house(s).

37 posted on 09/19/2005 8:39:03 AM PDT by Ranxerox
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To: Black Tooth
You really haven't a clue.

Stop it! I can't take anymore!

Whatever you say, Tooth.


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They're going fast!

38 posted on 09/19/2005 8:41:58 AM PDT by rdb3 (NON-conservative, American exceptionalist here.)
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To: NonValueAdded
Actually, under a mandatory evac order with periods of no law enforcement control, yes you do need evidence beyond the presence of stolen goods in order to gain a conviction.

BS.

And were not talking about squatters. LOL.

Again, if they find *your* home full of stolen goods, full of drugs, whatever, your going to jail. Period.

39 posted on 09/19/2005 8:42:26 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: SmithL

I was wondering how thy were going to get away with it.


40 posted on 09/19/2005 8:44:09 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: rdb3

Cute little image, but it doesn't take away the fact that you are wrong.


41 posted on 09/19/2005 8:49:42 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: SmithL

A first year law student could probably get most of the evidence suppressed claiming unlawful searches and seizures. Best just to find the rightful owner and return the items.


42 posted on 09/19/2005 8:50:37 AM PDT by flada (Y2K? What are you selling, chicken or sex jelly?)
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To: Black Tooth
Whatever you say.


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They're going fast!

43 posted on 09/19/2005 8:50:44 AM PDT by rdb3 (NON-conservative, American exceptionalist here.)
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To: Black Tooth

Sorry charlie, but you are not taking into account "a jury of your peers" or nagging little details like chain of custody. Calling BS and making lots of assertive posts do not win in a court of law. Consider that we have first person accounts of survivors, even LEO's, who broke into houses out of necessity. Further, the fact that the NG broke into your house is proof-positive that you were not there in control of your premises. Feel free to go on believing what you will, but try to offer up some legal basis for your assertions. Cite just one case where a person was previously convicted of "receiving" under similar circumstances.


44 posted on 09/19/2005 8:51:12 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: rdb3

Wrong again. It's not what I say. That's the way the law works.


45 posted on 09/19/2005 8:51:42 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: SmithL
But the man told the soldiers he had no idea where the goods came from and that someone else must have broken into his home and stashed them there after he evacuated.

Why is it that no one ever leaves a stash big screen TVs in my house when they break in?

46 posted on 09/19/2005 8:56:27 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (We need a strict constructionist - not someone who plays shadow puppet theater with the Constitution)
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To: rdb3

They won't even try to prosecute them because they would have to start with the police.


47 posted on 09/19/2005 8:57:19 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: NonValueAdded
Your right. Everyone out there that is found with a home full of stolen goods, 40 pounds of drugs, whatever, are all innocent. And without finger print evidence on the goods, no conviction.

"But officer, I just found all this stuff, and put it in my home, and I was going to bring it to the police station just before you showed up".

What a great alibi!!

48 posted on 09/19/2005 8:58:07 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Black Tooth

Actually, that's not always true. They found a person in possession of my stolen bike and he was just allowed to go free after I recovered my bike. In fact, they almost charged me for assault when I beat him up for taking my bike.


49 posted on 09/19/2005 9:01:22 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: TypeZoNegative
Sounds like I am only getting half a story here. Did the police find the stolen bike in the suspects home or in his possession? Doesn't sound like it.
50 posted on 09/19/2005 9:04:08 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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