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Symantec: Mac users deluding themselves over security
MacCentral ^ | 09/19/2005 | Matthew Broersma

Posted on 09/19/2005 2:09:19 PM PDT by Panerai

Mac users are “operating under a false sense of security”, according to Symantec, and Firefox users will have to recognize that the open-source browser is currently a greater security risk than Internet Explorer.

Symantec’s latest Internet Security Threat Report, published Monday, found evidence that attackers are beginning to organize for attacks on the Mac operating system. Researchers also found that over the past six months, nearly twice as many vulnerabilities surfaced in Mozilla browsers as in Explorer.

“It is now clear that the Mac OS is increasingly becoming a target for the malicious activity, contrary to popular belief that the Mac OS is immune to traditional security concerns,” the report said.

Symantec said OS X - based on BSD Unix - now shares many of the security concerns affecting Unix users. “As Mac OS X users demand more features and implement more ports of popular UNIX applications, vulnerabilities and exploits targeting this operating system and its underlying code base are likely to increase,” Symantec said in the report.

The number of security bugs confirmed by Apple has remained about the same over the past two six-month reporting periods, with no widespread exploits, Symantec said. But an analysis of a rootkit called Mac OS X/Weapox - based on the AdoreBSD rootkit - indicates the situation might not last much longer. “While there have been no reports of widespread infection to date, this Trojan serves to demonstrate that as Mac OS X increases in popularity so too will the scrutiny it receives from potential attackers,” the report said. “Mac users may be operating under a false sense of security.”

(Excerpt) Read more at macworld.com ...


TOPICS: Technical
KEYWORDS: apple; cybersecurity; firefox; internetsecurity; propaganda; safari; symantec
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To: Panerai
Symantec programs are notorious for slowing a Mac's performance.

When Symantec System Works proved incompatable with OS 10.4, I deleted it and got a noticable increase in my G5's response.

21 posted on 09/19/2005 2:31:04 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Panerai

Bull. You can't write an effective virus for OSX because of its Unix base. There has never been an OSX virus, other than Word macros, etc.


22 posted on 09/19/2005 2:32:00 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: Panerai
"I would take this a lot more seriously if it did not come from Symantec, trying to get me to buy more of their products"

EXACTLY! I paid for a years AV protection and after the first download it no longer worked. I could not get a single response from Symantec. If it were in my power I would send them a virus but I don't think their server handles any inbound traffic except credit card numbers.

23 posted on 09/19/2005 2:32:17 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (I have the biggest organ in my town {;o))
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To: Wurlitzer
EXACTLY! I paid for a years AV protection and after the first download it no longer worked. I could not get a single response from Symantec. If it were in my power I would send them a virus but I don't think their server handles any inbound traffic except credit card numbers.

A married couple decided to stick with Symantec, rather than go with a free option, because they were satisified with Symantec. Time came where they had to renew their subscription to continue using the product. They re-upped their subscription, didn't receive the e-mail with their billing info. When time come that the CC bill came in the mail, their statement showed Symantec received payment and cashed the money. I installed AVG on their system.

24 posted on 09/19/2005 2:36:31 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is a form of insanity)
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To: Izzy Dunne
"...preposterousities.."

Did you borrow this word from Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton?
25 posted on 09/19/2005 2:38:06 PM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: stinkerpot65
You can't write an effective virus for OSX because of its Unix base.

Sure you can, no one has bothered.

26 posted on 09/19/2005 2:42:46 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is a form of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
If you said me, you're right. I make $50 an hour, and not one repeat customer.

Well, sure. If you make your living from virus propagation, you're bound to prefer Windows.

27 posted on 09/19/2005 2:43:41 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Well, sure. If you make your living from virus propagation, you're bound to prefer Windows.

Reiterating what I've said already on THIS thread, I've owned Windows machines for 12 years, and not one system failure or virus attack. But, then again, it appears you didn't bother to read my previous post.

28 posted on 09/19/2005 2:48:02 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is a form of insanity)
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To: Panerai
“It is now clear that the Mac OS is increasingly becoming a target for the malicious activity, contrary to popular belief that the Mac OS is immune to traditional security concerns,” the report said.

IMO, that sense of security comes less from a confidence in the Mac OS, than it does from a near-religious conviction on the part of Mac users that hackers really only hate Microsoft.

I won't pile all Mac users into that box, but in my experience there are a lot of people for whom "being a Mac user" includes a hefty dose of evangelistic zeal.

As for the hackers, they do include a goodly number of anti-MS types. But hackers are hackers first, and Mac OS is just another target.

29 posted on 09/19/2005 2:57:22 PM PDT by r9etb (Avast, ye scurrrrvy dogs!!!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Not every windows user is as saavy as you. Nor are Mac users. My point though is that as a casual computer home user, you WILL be more likely to have issues with viruses if you use Windows machines. I know 10 people right now whose machines are running slow because of the numerous viruses they have unknowingly picked up. Not that Macs don't have issues, just not due to viruses.


30 posted on 09/19/2005 2:58:36 PM PDT by roostercogburn
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To: Panerai

I am a Mac user and I am delusional


31 posted on 09/19/2005 2:59:38 PM PDT by jbstrick ( I've never been to heaven, but I've been to Oklahoma)
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To: Hank Rearden

Yep!


32 posted on 09/19/2005 3:01:44 PM PDT by rollinginmybuggy (The Electric Amish)
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To: jbstrick

OK, now for my window sucks comment: Macs are just better machines running a much better operating system.
Feel better now.


33 posted on 09/19/2005 3:01:54 PM PDT by roostercogburn
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To: Izzy Dunne

Anyone else notice Symantec's NAV and other security prices going up lately?


34 posted on 09/19/2005 3:02:39 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: roostercogburn
I know 10 people right now whose machines are running slow because of the numerous viruses they have unknowingly picked up.

Anyone who "unknowingly" picks up a virus these days is fiddling with the default settings.

35 posted on 09/19/2005 3:04:43 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is a form of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
I read your post just fine. I believe you. Why is why I said that I think you're telling the truth. (Do you remember that part?)

And then you threw your money at me and bragged about having no repeat customers. Which makes me think that you make your living from virus propagation and elimination. Which means you would be poorer if there were fewer Windows machines out there. And the Mac folks don't have to work nearly as hard, or pay so much money for your services. Which was my point.

36 posted on 09/19/2005 3:06:17 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

My point exactly BigSky. Most home users in my opinion would be better served with a Mac. They really are more user friendly and harder to screw up.


37 posted on 09/19/2005 3:07:37 PM PDT by roostercogburn
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To: Panerai

Symantec hasn't produced an acceptable security app for Macs since OS 8.5. IIRC, that was around NAV version 5 or 6 for Mac.

They haven't figured out OS X yet. And when you install the Symantec AV app on an OS X Mac, it puts files all over the place. It practically takes an exorcism to get rid of it.

I might consider Clam AV at some point, but never a Symantec product.

I won't even use Symantec on my WinXP PC. I use Grisoft AVG 7.0 Pro.


38 posted on 09/19/2005 3:08:21 PM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: r9etb
a near-religious conviction on the part of Mac users that hackers really only hate Microsoft.

Well, I'm a Mac user (as well as Windows when I have to), and I would argue the exact opposite.

Hackers don't hate Microsoft - they LOVE Microsoft.

39 posted on 09/19/2005 3:08:31 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Beware the crime statistics quoted by a lock salesman.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

40 posted on 09/19/2005 3:13:19 PM PDT by Terabitten (God grant me the strength to live a life worthy of those who have gone before me.)
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