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Challenged by Creationists, Museums Answer Back
The New York Times ^
| 9/20/2005
| CORNELIA DEAN
Posted on 09/20/2005 7:02:45 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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How to deal with mobbing behavior by creationists. And a big bump for my University of Nebraska colleague Judy Diamond, who is helping train museum staff to deal with the behavior.
To: PatrickHenry
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posted on
09/20/2005 7:03:52 AM PDT
by
Right Wing Professor
(Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory - John Marburger, science advisor to George W. Bush)
To: Right Wing Professor
But I thought that science should not be taught as dogma. That's what's happening here.
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posted on
09/20/2005 7:04:01 AM PDT
by
thulldud
(It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
To: thulldud
But I thought that science should not be taught as dogma. That's what's happening hereIf visitors challenge the presentations, the explainers are instructed to listen "and then explain the science and the evidence."
How is that dogma?
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posted on
09/20/2005 7:05:41 AM PDT
by
Right Wing Professor
(Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory - John Marburger, science advisor to George W. Bush)
To: Right Wing Professor
I'm guessing that it all started as the creationists say, then went on, as the evolutionists say...
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posted on
09/20/2005 7:06:59 AM PDT
by
stuartcr
(Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
To: Right Wing Professor
From the article:
"It is no wonder that many biologists will simply refuse to debate creationists or I.D.ers," she said, using the abbreviation for intelligent design, a cousin of creationism. "It is as if they aren't listening."Well, this is a big "DUH!"
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posted on
09/20/2005 7:07:58 AM PDT
by
Aracelis
To: Right Wing Professor
...ways to deal with visitors who reject settled precepts of science... s/settled precepts of science/dogma/ig;
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posted on
09/20/2005 7:09:08 AM PDT
by
thulldud
(It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
To: Right Wing Professor
I sure hope they use that Spaghetti Monster in their seminars.
To: thulldud
I thought that science should not be taught as dogmaReligion is taught as dogma.
Science relies on observation, evidence, and testing of hypotheses. A very clear distinction.
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posted on
09/20/2005 7:09:47 AM PDT
by
Aracelis
To: Right Wing Professor
Creationism and Evolutionary theory are NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE CONCEPTS!
Evolution has NOTHING TO SAY about the "creation" of life.
To: Right Wing Professor
I don't see the conflict. It is after all a museum and natural history should be expected. I don't expect a natural history lesson from a church.
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posted on
09/20/2005 7:10:28 AM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
To: Aracelis
Well, this is a big "DUH!"Read the context. It's clear she means it's the creationists/IDers that aren't listening.
..and so, of course, I agree. Duh!
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posted on
09/20/2005 7:11:37 AM PDT
by
Right Wing Professor
(Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory - John Marburger, science advisor to George W. Bush)
To: thulldud
I'm sorry, but the docent in a museum is not "teaching dogma." She's there to present what the museum exhibits. Period. If creationists have an issue with what the museum exhibits, harrassing volunteer docents isn't the way to express it. These jerks are no better than left-wing "activists" in their approach, and these tactics will not do anything to further their cause.
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09/20/2005 7:12:21 AM PDT
by
DGray
(http://nicanfhilidh.blogspot.com)
To: Right Wing Professor
Gee, I always thought that creationists belived in the literal meaning of The Book of Genisis whereas MOST people who don't believe in Darwin's theory advocated Intelligent Design, but why bother making that distinction? They're all just a bunch of crazy Bible thumping fundamentalists who want to take us back to the 1700's, right?
although almost half believe that Darwin has been proved right, slightly more disagree.
Sure he was proven right! It's not like his finches have hybridized from 14 to 6, right? Oh, they did? Well, at least we have fosil evidence that traces man back to apes. We don't? Oh... Well, at least there's evidence of one species evolving from another and that by logical extention- oh, we don't have that either? Well, let's just shout them down then.
Owl_Eagle(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,
it was probably sarcasm)
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09/20/2005 7:12:38 AM PDT
by
End Times Sentinel
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09/20/2005 7:14:04 AM PDT
by
wallcrawlr
(http://www.bionicear.com)
To: Owl_Eagle
"Well, let's just shout them down then."
Lots of that from both sides of the argument. I don't have any use for any of those folks.
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posted on
09/20/2005 7:14:17 AM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
To: Right Wing Professor
Dr. Diamond is working on evolution exhibitions financed by the National Science Foundation that will go on long-term display at six museums of natural history from Minnesota to Texas. The program includes training for docents and staff members.
Surely even the evolutionists on this forum can agree that this is a waste of our tax dollars. If anything, we should all be against the evolution of big government.
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posted on
09/20/2005 7:14:26 AM PDT
by
sheltonmac
(QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES)
To: Right Wing Professor
Read the context. It's clear she means it's the creationists/IDers that aren't listening. ..and so, of course, I agree. Duh!Geez! Too much caffeine this morning, Doc? I'm on your side!
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posted on
09/20/2005 7:14:54 AM PDT
by
Aracelis
To: Right Wing Professor
To: thulldud
I find it interesting that when creationists want to imply that an idea is worthless trash, they call it religion, and when ID advocates want their ideas to appear respectable, they call them science.
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posted on
09/20/2005 7:16:32 AM PDT
by
js1138
(Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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