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Police: Lions eat 20 villagers in Ethiopia
cnn WEBSITE ^ | Tuesday, September 20, 2005; | AP

Posted on 09/20/2005 7:28:42 AM PDT by Fawn

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To: Fawn

This is horrible. I didn't think lions would normally attack humans unless provoked. Are the conditions in Ethopia still so bad that the lions have gooten more aggressive for their own survival, or is it that humans and lions have started to encroach on each other's territory, or what?


51 posted on 09/20/2005 7:46:34 AM PDT by kevkrom ("Political looters" should be shot on sight)
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To: mware
Both of these look like females to me.

Lionesses tend to be the hunters. Male lions (those with a pride, at least) usually only fight to protect, not to eat.

52 posted on 09/20/2005 7:47:58 AM PDT by kevkrom ("Political looters" should be shot on sight)
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To: Fawn

53 posted on 09/20/2005 7:48:06 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: Gritty
Yep. Trouble is, they would eat all the indigenous wildlife to extiction before they started on homeless people.
54 posted on 09/20/2005 7:48:07 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: DarkSavant

You're not lyin'.


55 posted on 09/20/2005 7:48:13 AM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: cripplecreek

Ethiopian, its not just for breakfast any more.


56 posted on 09/20/2005 7:48:16 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

They always eat the fat ones first...


57 posted on 09/20/2005 7:48:22 AM PDT by abb (Because News Reporting is too important to be left to the Journalists.)
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To: Gritty

It's ok the lion's won't mind.

The best defense against being eaten by a lion is to chain smoke. The tar permeates the flesh and the lions find it rather distasteful.


58 posted on 09/20/2005 7:49:05 AM PDT by JustAnotherOkie
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To: auboy

No but they took a people-bag.


59 posted on 09/20/2005 7:49:14 AM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: Fawn

Send in Siegfried and Roy. Oh, wait, make that just Siegfried.


60 posted on 09/20/2005 7:49:41 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: garyhope

"It's what's for dinner.."


61 posted on 09/20/2005 7:49:45 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: najida

Thanks for the photo. I did not know they had photos of them. Do you know if a book was written about the real hunt for the lions? I would love to read it.


62 posted on 09/20/2005 7:49:45 AM PDT by mware (Keeper of the I's)
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To: theFIRMbss

This sounds like a job
for one Freeper with a gun . . .


Well, I once shot a lion in my pajamas....


63 posted on 09/20/2005 7:50:14 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: Nathan Zachary

I say send them to GITMO.


64 posted on 09/20/2005 7:50:35 AM PDT by JustAnotherOkie
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To: Nathan Zachary

Of course thje Lions will be bedazzled by "Famous Anus".


65 posted on 09/20/2005 7:51:04 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Old North State
Well, I once shot a lion in my pajamas....

I'll bite... what was the lion doing in your pajamas?

66 posted on 09/20/2005 7:51:19 AM PDT by kevkrom ("Political looters" should be shot on sight)
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To: Fawn

Now, if we could only get Ethiopians to eat lions. That might solve the famine.


67 posted on 09/20/2005 7:51:27 AM PDT by mict42
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To: Fawn; All
Ethiopia is a sick place. 70% of marriages are by kidnapping! In this story, lions are the heroes:

”A 12-year-old girl who was abducted and beaten by men trying to force her into a marriage was found being guarded by three lions who apparently had chased off her captors, a policeman said Tuesday.

”The girl, missing for a week, had been taken by seven men who wanted to force her to marry one of them, said Sgt. Wondimu Wedajo, speaking by telephone from the provincial capital of Bita Genet, about 350 miles southwest of Addis Ababa.

”She was beaten repeatedly before she was found June 9 by police and relatives on the outskirts of Bita Genet, Wondimu said. She had been guarded by the lions for about half a day, he said…

”…Ethiopia’s lions, famous for their large black manes, are the country’s national symbol and adorn statues and the local currency. Despite a recent crackdown, hunters kill the animals for their skins, which can fetch $1,000. Williams estimates that only 1,000 Ethiopian lions remain in the wild….

”…Kidnapping young girls has long been part of the marriage custom in Ethiopia. The United Nations estimates that more than 70 percent of marriages in Ethiopia are by abduction, practiced in rural areas where most of the country’s 71 million people live.”

msnbc

68 posted on 09/20/2005 7:51:29 AM PDT by Sunsong
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To: abb

I'm doomed.


69 posted on 09/20/2005 7:51:39 AM PDT by null and void (Poor America! So far from God; So close to Mexico...)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

I think it's been firmly determined that lions are faster than Ethiopians.


70 posted on 09/20/2005 7:52:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Fawn

I've always been fond of lions...


71 posted on 09/20/2005 7:53:22 AM PDT by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: Sunsong
Ethiopia is a sick place.

Perhaps. I used to have an Ethiopian roommate. He and his friends were pretty decent people.

72 posted on 09/20/2005 7:53:40 AM PDT by null and void (Poor America! So far from God; So close to Mexico...)
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To: mware; najida
J.H. Patterson was an amazing man.

The lions looked like females because they were maneless, like many man-eaters. Apparently there are also entire populations of maneless lions hanging around in isolated areas of Africa.

You can read his entire book The Man-Eaters of Tsavo online here. Typical British understatement and rather flowery language, but it's an amazing tale.

Don't miss the appendix translating the lengthy Hindustani poem written in praise of "Patterson Sahib" . . . Composed by Roshan mistari, son of Kadur mistari Bakhsh, native of the village of Chajanlat, Dakhli, Post Office Domli, district of Jhelum. Dated 29th January, 1899.

73 posted on 09/20/2005 7:54:10 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Sunsong

Animals. Why do we even both with that part of the world? Just let nature take it's course.


75 posted on 09/20/2005 7:55:43 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Fawn
Obviously racist lions, and if the Ethiopians were not so poor because of racism they would have been able to get out of their village in time.
76 posted on 09/20/2005 7:55:55 AM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: Fawn

Fact from Fiction
The story as told in the film is basically accuratis basically accurate. However, I would like to point out some of the 'embellishments' that Hollywood, as usual, has added to the story.

First and foremost, the two lions, both male, were unusual in that they did not have manes. They are of normal lion coloration. However, the reissue of Patterson's book, 'The Man-Eaters of Tsavo', that was done for the movie, claims on the back cover that the two lions were 'white as snow' and 'black as the night'. (Hence the name, 'The Ghost and the Darkness'.) No where is this mentioned in the actual text of the book. Nor do the pictures of the lions in the book show anything like this. To make matters even more confusing, the lions in the movie are maned males of normal coloration!

Colonel Patterson reports that the first man-eater was 9 feet, 8 inches long, nose-to-tail. He also states that the second man-eater was 9 feet, 6 inches long nose-to-tail and 3 feet, 11 1/2 inches tall. These sizes are consistent with normal male lions.

No professional hunter was involved in the real story. Unless, that is that you would want to consider Colonel Patterson as a professional hunter. He was an excellent hunter in his own right, with details of many an expedition recorded in his book. In any case, Colonel Patterson shot both lions by himself. The first lion was almost a lucky shot from his rickety Machan.The second lion required many shots over 10 days to kill it. Both lion kill it. Both lions were, oddly enough, killed over nonhuman bait.

In the movie, it is alleged that the lions were killing for sport. This does not often happen in the real world. Even man-eaters normally kill only what they need to survive. Killing for sport by lions is not mentioned in the book. Indeed, the killing pattern recorded is very consistent with normal lion hunting patterns. There were no mass-slaughters as depicted in the film. Interestingly enough however, a leopard killed all 30 of Colonel Patterson's sheep and goats in one night! Where 'killing for sport' has been observed among the big cats, it has been when a quantity of prey animals was available, and in an unusually vulnerable situation. A good example would be a pen full of defenseless goats. Man was probably considered by the lions as easy to kill, but still quite dangerous.

Most of the attempts at capturing the lions, such as the boxcar trick and the hospital trick, were actually done, but were significantly overdramatized in the movie. (Some were not, such as the adventure on the Machan, a rickety platform from which the first man-eater was shot. But even this event is not completely free of tampering. For instance, the bait used in the film was a live baboon. In the real story, it was a donkey the lions had killed and partly eaten the day before. Also, Colonel Patterson never fell off the machan, as he did in the movie.

Inhe movie.

In any case, a reading of the true story is an absolute must for anyone who enjoyed the film. Is is more interesting, and in some ways even scarier than the movie. The book also describes a lot of other adventures in the African bush. The movie-companion edition of the book also discusses the many other adventures of Colonel Patterson, a most remarkable man. Check out the Tsavo Maneater Resources page for more information about the book. (The title of the book is 'The Man-Eaters of Tsavo', and is one of two books Colonel Patterson wrote. The second book, 'In the Grip of the Nyika: Further Adventures in British East Africa' was published in 1909. Unlike it's predecessor, it never became very popular, and is long out of print.)


77 posted on 09/20/2005 7:55:58 AM PDT by mware (Keeper of the I's)
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To: Fawn
Ethiopians:

Tell the lions that payback is a Cindy Sheehan.

Man-eating lion meets his maker in Mozambique

Zimbabweans eat lion that ate their livestock

78 posted on 09/20/2005 7:56:00 AM PDT by Killborn (God bless the rescuers, God bless the Commander in Chief, and God bless America.)
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To: Fawn

At leasr someone's eating in Ethiopia.


79 posted on 09/20/2005 7:56:40 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: mware

"Thanks for the photo. I did not know they had photos of them. Do you know if a book was written about the real hunt for the lions? I would love to read it."

Here you go:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0071363335/104-6365685-5416715?v=glance


80 posted on 09/20/2005 7:57:01 AM PDT by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

oops - Bother


81 posted on 09/20/2005 7:57:08 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: mware

OK, from what I remember reading,
both the lions were male.

But the hides had become increasingly damaged over the years, so when the taxidermists at the museum got them, they had to really work to make the skins 'fit'. And the manes were gone (trophy's mebby).


82 posted on 09/20/2005 7:57:25 AM PDT by najida (Once upon a a very long time ago, in a land far, far away.....It was still all Bush's fault.)
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To: cripplecreek
Agreed, Lions run faster hungry than Ethiopians can scared.
83 posted on 09/20/2005 7:57:53 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: SeaBiscuit

Obviously racist lions, and if the Ethiopians were not so poor because of racism they would have been able to get out of their village in time.

----

Good point! It has been determined that there was over 100 pairs of running shoes sitting 3 termite hills over.


84 posted on 09/20/2005 7:58:00 AM PDT by FearlessFreep (If life gives you lemons, blame it on Bush.)
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To: Old North State

You're lion!


85 posted on 09/20/2005 7:58:21 AM PDT by Translates
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To: auboy

One of them belched and said "Don't run, you'll just die tired."


86 posted on 09/20/2005 7:58:32 AM PDT by Cheburashka
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To: null and void
I used to have an Ethiopian roommate. He and his friends were pretty decent people.

There are always exceptions. There is no question but that it is a sick and degrading pratice to kidnap young girls, beat them and force them to be your wife.

87 posted on 09/20/2005 7:59:01 AM PDT by Sunsong
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To: mware

Belly up to the Ethiopian buffet!


88 posted on 09/20/2005 7:59:08 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: mware; najida
If you want a hard copy of the book, it was reprinted by Peter Capstick in his big game series and again recently by a small South Carolina press that specializes in hunting books.

Amazon has Capstick's edition, so it must still be in print.

89 posted on 09/20/2005 7:59:30 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: mware
I read the book a million years ago. Like I said, fact is WAY more incredible than the movie. Like there was only one hunter who brought them both down.

There is also a website from the museum where the lions are displayed.

90 posted on 09/20/2005 7:59:48 AM PDT by najida (Once upon a a very long time ago, in a land far, far away.....It was still all Bush's fault.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Animals. Why do we even both with that part of the world? Just let nature take it's course.

It's hard to feel sorry for people who kidnap young girls, beat them and force them to be wives.

91 posted on 09/20/2005 8:00:53 AM PDT by Sunsong
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To: FearlessFreep

...You know what the wolrd's fastest land animal is?
..

The slowest human must out run the fastest lion.


92 posted on 09/20/2005 8:01:18 AM PDT by bert (K.E. ; N.P . I smell a dead rat in Baton Rouge!)
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To: Rebelbase
If this had happened in America the lions could have only eaten a couple of people. Maybe three at the most.

Depends. On a lot.

The most important factor being the lion (or lioness, or even pride as in the above example). Killing a lion can be far easier than harvesting a buck, or it can be the most frustrating experience on earth. And the really good man-eaters are bloody murder to kill.

Shooting the opportunistic lion is easy ....too easy. They are so confident of their strength that they just leave their spoor everywhere, and then lay out of the veldt or savannah asking for a shot behind the ear! Same thing for the hugnry lion that picks off a native every now and then. Professional hunters have even slain whole prides of lions that kill people (nb: I did not call them man-eaters).

However a man-eater is a professional, and no ....i am not giving these beasts human personas. But you have to realize, all the hunters (both in the past, and in the present) who have hunted man-eaters have never had a nice experience. They often get hunted, and killed, themselves. The thing about a man-eater is that it knows what exactly it is hunting. It knows that man can lash back at it, and it knows about weapons and firearms. It will never attack the same spot twice, and will not fall for poisoned meat. Most do not even bother with traps. Oh, and the myth that man-eaters are old lions, or injured lions is just that ....a myth. While there are many lions that get injured (eg porcupine quills to the paws and jaw, or buffalo attack leaving it crippled) and aged, and thus cannot hunt orthodox prey, these lions are really not 'man-eaters.' Sure, they eat man, but they do so for survival. And these are easy to kill. However ALL of the truly legendary man-eaters (be they lion, leopard or tiger), have ALL been at the prime of their life ....and in fact not just healthy but rather large. For example the Tsavo lions, which were mane-less by the way, were about a third larger than normal lions. And some of the man-eating leopards, for example the Panar Maneater and the Leopard of Rudyaprayag, both in India, were enormous and at their primes.

Anyways, let me put it this way. A true man-eater, is very different from a mangy sot of a beast, ridden with disease, age, broken teeth and grotesque injury. A true man-eater is not going to be easy to kill. It will pick its targets very well, and will have a very good knowledge of the territory. Some of the better man-eaters have travelled almost a hundred miles between kill areas. And while it will eventually go down, it will take its pound of flesh with it.

now, this Ethiopian pride is probably comprised of opportunists who discovered humans can be easy prey. The only 'professional' pride of man-eaters (event he cubs were reared by their mothers as such) was in Central Africa, and there are rumors of similar prides existing in the Kruger national park in south Africa (where they feast on the hundreds of illegal immigrants trying to sneak into South Africa from the neighboring nations, in some ways they have become the most effective deterrent to sneaking across broder lines in that section). Thus this Ethiopian pride is most probably nabbing people because it is easy to do so, and thus it should be relatively easy to have the Ethiopian govt destroy the pride.

However when it comes to 'professional' mean-eaters all bets are off. They have nigh demonic intellect.

93 posted on 09/20/2005 8:01:50 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: najida
Nope, they had no manes to start with. Look at the photo on the cover of the book at Amazon (which I think is lion No. 2) and at this one (lion No. 1)


94 posted on 09/20/2005 8:01:52 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: mware
The day before yesterday I returned from a month in Namibia. If you want to see lions, I can give you directions. They seem especially interested in the sound of truck doors slamming.
95 posted on 09/20/2005 8:02:28 AM PDT by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: Lazamataz

Very good!


96 posted on 09/20/2005 8:02:41 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Lazamataz

I don't get this?


97 posted on 09/20/2005 8:03:49 AM PDT by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

OK, thank you!

I do know from reading that the lions are smaller in the museum because they had to work around the damaged hides. I either extrapolated (or read) that the manes were gone as part of the process. Nice to know they do look more like what they're supposed to look like!


98 posted on 09/20/2005 8:04:33 AM PDT by najida (Once upon a a very long time ago, in a land far, far away.....It was still all Bush's fault.)
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To: Sunsong

Agreed.


99 posted on 09/20/2005 8:04:38 AM PDT by null and void (Poor America! So far from God; So close to Mexico...)
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To: NormB

You don't understand AYBABTU ????!?


100 posted on 09/20/2005 8:04:49 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
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