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Internet Explorer more Secure than Mozilla products
News.com ^

Posted on 09/20/2005 8:24:40 AM PDT by markedmannerf

Mozilla Web browsers are potentially more vulnerable to attack than Microsoft's Internet Explorer, according to a Symantec report.

But the report, released Monday, also found that hackers are still focusing their efforts on IE.

The open-source Mozilla Foundation browsers, such as the popular Firefox, have typically been seen as more secure than IE, which has suffered many security problems in the past. Mitchell Baker, president of the foundation, said earlier this year that its browsers were fundamentally more secure than IE. She also predicted that Mozilla Foundation browsers would not face as many problems as IE, even as their market share grows.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Technical
KEYWORDS: firefox; internetexplorer; isthisbizarroworld; mozilla; security; tech
Yeah whatever Internet Explorer has so many more Problems than Firefox! On top of that Firefox issues are patched alot faster than IE due to the fact it is open source.
1 posted on 09/20/2005 8:24:41 AM PDT by markedmannerf
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To: markedmannerf

BWHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!


2 posted on 09/20/2005 8:26:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (I was born in poverty. I didn't like it, so I left.............)
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To: markedmannerf
Related post:

Symantec: Mozilla browsers more vulnerable than IE
 

3 posted on 09/20/2005 8:27:04 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: markedmannerf

They can say internet exporer is the best, but I think they're full of it. I've had more problems using internet exploder than I ever have using FireFox.


4 posted on 09/20/2005 8:27:10 AM PDT by PilloryHillary
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To: All

Has more to do with hating bill gates than anything else - people just hate MS for some reason....


5 posted on 09/20/2005 8:29:25 AM PDT by michaelbfree
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To: markedmannerf

Who has made Symantec the business that it is? NOT Firefox. Who would one expect them to support but M$ IE?


6 posted on 09/20/2005 8:29:43 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: markedmannerf
So IE sucks 0.00000001% less today than it did yesterday...maybe.

Nah.

7 posted on 09/20/2005 8:29:50 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: markedmannerf
But the report, released Monday, also found that hackers are still focusing their efforts on IE.

Microsoft haters are a lot like Bush haters.

8 posted on 09/20/2005 8:30:00 AM PDT by Fresh Wind
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To: PilloryHillary

I used IE up until about 2 months ago. It was a daily chore to keep out spyware, viruses, and junk. It locked up the computer almost hourly. I switched to FF and haven't had a problem since!..........


9 posted on 09/20/2005 8:30:51 AM PDT by Red Badger (I was born in poverty. I didn't like it, so I left.............)
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Bush2000; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; ...
Mozilla hits back at browser security claim
10 posted on 09/20/2005 8:31:29 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: PilloryHillary

"They can say internet exporer is the best, but I think they're full of it. I've had more problems using internet exploder than I ever have using FireFox."

I'm betting that makes a whole lot of us.


11 posted on 09/20/2005 8:31:52 AM PDT by L98Fiero
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To: Red Badger
I used IE up until about 2 months ago. It was a daily chore to keep out spyware, viruses, and junk. It locked up the computer almost hourly. I switched to FF and haven't had a problem since!..........

I believe you. I reformatted my computer a couple of months ago, but didn't reinstall the Firefox I had been using almost 100% of the time. After using internet exploder again, I was infected almost immediately with spyware & trojans etc. Going to drudgereport.com using IE really messed me up. As soon as I cleaned the system out, I reinstalled Firefox again. No problems since.

12 posted on 09/20/2005 8:34:44 AM PDT by PilloryHillary
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To: L98Fiero
Same here. FF works great for me. I've been using it for months now and I only have trouble on National Review on-line ... must be all the pop-ups.
13 posted on 09/20/2005 8:35:27 AM PDT by manwiththehands
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To: Red Badger

I use both about equally now, with the msn toolbar for IE I find IE far more stable than it used to be. I like Firefox but it has memory leaks and it still isnt as supported as IE.


14 posted on 09/20/2005 8:36:52 AM PDT by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany it now is: Question Everything)
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To: markedmannerf

Yeah, that's why my every use of IE is met with spyware and other hacks, while I've yet to encounter a single Firefox-related problem.


15 posted on 09/20/2005 8:37:20 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. - Patrick Henry)
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To: markedmannerf

Beware of crime statistics quoted by a lock salesman.


16 posted on 09/20/2005 8:41:47 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: markedmannerf
Yeah whatever Internet Explorer has so many more Problems than Firefox!

Listen, I love Firefox as much as anyone and have been using it as my primary browser since the pre 1.0 betas. The reality of the situation, however, is that Firefox has experienced 25 vulnerabilities during the first half of the year, with 18 being critical. IE, on the other hand, has experienced 13, with 8 of those being critical. So to say that IE has more problems just doesn't "add up" so to speak.

Also, though the flaws may be patched quicker, there are a few problems with them. First, the Firefox patches require that you uninstall the old version and install a new version. It's not so much a patch as it is an entirely new installation. I know the Mozilla folks are supposedly working on a better update system, but for now, to most users, this "patch" process isn't very friendly. Also, in an an era of near-zero-day exploits, patching quick may not be as helpful. If the exploit's already out there, it's too late. Better to have fewer issues than rely on quick patches that users may or may not apply.
17 posted on 09/20/2005 8:45:19 AM PDT by Hurricane Andrew (History teaches that wars begin when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Beware of crime statistics quoted by a lock salesman.

lol. Personally, I hope most people in the world continue to use IE. I hope Firefox maintains the minimum market share needed to keep it viable so that I can continue to use it.

To those millions on IE, just stick with it please, no need to switch.
18 posted on 09/20/2005 8:46:31 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: markedmannerf

In before Rusty Turkey & Gore2000!


19 posted on 09/20/2005 8:47:50 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: markedmannerf

Black is white. War is Peace. Ignorance is Strength. Balmer says so, so it is true.


20 posted on 09/20/2005 8:51:41 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: markedmannerf
Why not one word here on using Netscapes browser? I use the new 8 and it seems fine. It is somehow related to or uses Fire Fox based stuff. (I am no geek so excuse the ignorance) I have not been infected in any way that I know and I've been using it fro years. I have tried FF and for some reason it screws up my display settings. (on my home computer) I use FF at work and like it.
21 posted on 09/20/2005 8:55:06 AM PDT by hophead (" Enjoy Every Sandwich WZ")
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To: Hurricane Andrew
hogwash. many of the vulnerabilities occur if you go to the wrong site. it is balderdash to say "if the exploit is out there it is already to late". if you wait a full month or two for M$ to decide to decide to issue its patch, that might be too late...

by the way folks, anyone get the feeling that the symantec report was very, very carefully orchestrated for microsoft skipping this months patch??

as for the differences between IE and FF, since I made my kids stop using IE and start using FF the spyware and virus infections on our home machine (Windows ME protected by a firewall) have gone to zero...

22 posted on 09/20/2005 9:01:40 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Red Badger

Yep. It's nice not to need to run a half a dozen programs just to protect my machine from IE weaknesses.


23 posted on 09/20/2005 9:06:27 AM PDT by jess35
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To: markedmannerf

BROWSER TRAFFIC.... Here is a plot showing the percent of page views for each of the three main browsers. The data are taken from the >1,800,000 page views for my www.varmintal.com site over the 17 month period. FireFox is on the rise. Internet Explorer and Netscape are losing ground. What is that saying and it could be applied to FireFox? "If you build it, they will come."

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

24 posted on 09/20/2005 9:12:16 AM PDT by Varmint Al
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To: Hurricane Andrew

Secunia shows these currently unpatched vulnerablities: IE 19, Firefox 3, and Opera 0.

The Symantec analysis is far less relevant to browser security.


25 posted on 09/20/2005 9:24:50 AM PDT by mdefranc
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To: Hurricane Andrew
"The reality of the situation, however, is that Firefox has experienced 25 vulnerabilities during the first half of the year, with 18 being critical. IE, on the other hand, has experienced 13, with 8 of those being critical. So to say that IE has more problems just doesn't "add up" so to speak."

No. The reality of the situation is that Microsoft has only acknowledged 13 vulnerabilities. If you continue reading the article you'll find this: "There is one caveat: Symantec counts only those security flaws that have been confirmed by the vendor. According to security monitoring company Secunia, there are 19 security issues that Microsoft still has to deal with for Internet Explorer, while there are only three for Firefox."

Firefox might not be perfect, but Microsoft won't even admit they have a problem.

26 posted on 09/20/2005 9:25:32 AM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: ShadowAce
Secondly, as Firefox is open source more people have access to the code base, so they are free to look for bugs.

Ah, the old, discredited "security through obscurity" argument. You're an idiot if you rely on it.

27 posted on 09/20/2005 9:40:08 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: OldSkewlLibertarian
but right around the time it starts to get really bad, another browser will pop up and be the darling for a while

Opera just went really free. It's a good browser (arguably better than Firefox in ways), and will probably gain more marketshare now that the free version has no more ads. Try it out.

29 posted on 09/20/2005 10:04:41 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Fresh Wind
Microsoft haters are a lot like Bush haters.

I'm no Microsoft hater. I use Windows XP, Windows Mobile, Word, Excel, Access, Powerpoint, etc and am overall pleased with those products.

All I know is that spyware and popups have been minimized (virtually eliminated) since I started using Firefox and I love using tabbed browsing in Firefox and how easy it is to customize it.

30 posted on 09/20/2005 10:15:13 AM PDT by Anti-MSM (Conservatives wish 9/11 never happened. Liberals pretend it didn't!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
> Opera just went really free. It's a good browser (arguably better than Firefox in ways), and will probably gain more marketshare now that the free version has no more ads.

Totally agree! Download the new, ad free Opera 8.50 here

--
Lee Harvey,
Opera user since 1999
31 posted on 09/20/2005 11:04:32 AM PDT by LeeHarvey
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For those who'd like to read Symantec's 106 page Internet Security Threat Report Volume VIII, you can download the PDF here (after submitting the web form).

Enjoy.
32 posted on 09/20/2005 11:09:06 AM PDT by LeeHarvey
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

Good point!


33 posted on 09/20/2005 11:52:10 AM PDT by octobersky
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To: chilepepper

"Windows ME"

blahhhaaaaaaaa!!! loser!


34 posted on 09/20/2005 2:35:01 PM PDT by postaldave (dont ask me, i'm just a simple post birth, tissue mass.)
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To: Varmint Al
my current stats are showing a much lower MS number. i can't graph it from last year but this is a big change in numbers for me at 5united.net

MS Internet Explorer No 56895 78.1 %
Firefox No 8626 11.8 %
Safari No 3753 5.1 %
Mozilla No 1682 2.3 %
Netscape No 969 1.3 %
Unknown ? 444 0.6 %
Camino No 161 0.2 %
Opera No 122 0.1 %
WebCollage (PDA/Phone browser) No 48 0 %
Konqueror No 44 0 %
Others 46 0 %

35 posted on 09/20/2005 2:42:07 PM PDT by postaldave (dont ask me, i'm just a simple post birth, tissue mass.)
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To: chilepepper
Balmer says so, so it is true.

DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! (somebody get me a towel)
36 posted on 09/20/2005 5:33:04 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: chilepepper
hogwash. many of the vulnerabilities occur if you go to the wrong site. it is balderdash to say "if the exploit is out there it is already to late". if you wait a full month or two for M$ to decide to decide to issue its patch, that might be too late...

You can apply the same logic to Microsoft, as well. To wit, their vulnerabilties aren't exploitable unless you visit a malicious site.

by the way folks, anyone get the feeling that the symantec report was very, very carefully orchestrated for microsoft skipping this months patch??

Well, I suppose if you don't have the facts on your side, you can always resort to innuendo and conspiracy theory. But those things are weak substitutes for the truth...

as for the differences between IE and FF, since I made my kids stop using IE and start using FF the spyware and virus infections on our home machine (Windows ME protected by a firewall) have gone to zero...

Tell them not to surf so much porn...
37 posted on 09/20/2005 5:35:07 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Bush2000
I own a small business which contracts with several vendors whose sites have all those activeX widgets on them, so we HAVE to run IE. I have win4lin on my box, and run IE off that. For the girls who do admin and sales, two of them have XP boxes. I have told them they can surf anywhere they want (porn doesn't seem to be a problem, so I left it at "anywhere"), but they have to use Opera on everything but vendor sites. I have seen a NOTICEABLE decrease in the spyware and adware crap that has to be cleaned out of their machines.

Many anti MS people are not zealots, we just want something secure that works. What turns us INTO zealots is the anticompetitive, smug, "we own the market so go screw yourself" attitude of MS. It is a universal human reaction to see a playground bully get his nose bloodied and cheer the kid who did it to him. It is also good for MS to feel a bit of panic, although it would engender less ill will if they actually addressed problems by concentrating on FIXING the problems than by becoming FUD central. There is a reason why Steve Ballmer is the most hated man in American business, and it ain't the size of his bank account.

38 posted on 09/21/2005 2:41:00 AM PDT by chronic_loser
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To: manwiththehands

Turn off the Pop-Ups.

Edit,Preferences,Privacy & Security,PopUps, check "block unrequested popups"

Problem solved, unless you use webmail that requires java script because this will block the "compose" window from coming up.


39 posted on 09/21/2005 2:55:01 AM PDT by ChefKeith ( If Diplomacy worked, then we would be sitting here talking...)
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To: markedmannerf

OFF TOPIC.

Steve Ballmer and Howie Dean, Twins separated at birth?

http://www.tarmo.fi/arc/monkeydance.mpeg

http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=politicalhumor&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.baltimoresun.com%2Ffeatures%2Fla-dean19-video%2C0%2C6005088.realvideo%3Fcoll%3Dbal-features-headlines


40 posted on 09/21/2005 2:56:23 AM PDT by chronic_loser
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To: markedmannerf
This is highly misleading. Symantec says that they base their assertions on data provided by the companies.

Mozilla foundation reports all their vulnerabilities because the large open source community acts as a peer review for their products.

Microsoft doesn't have any kind of peer review of their code base--it's a closed system.

What Microsoft doesn't report, Symantec doesn't report--understand the truthuntruths?

41 posted on 09/21/2005 3:03:06 AM PDT by twntaipan (Tagline space for sale or rent.)
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To: markedmannerf

You can't believe everything you read in the papers...


42 posted on 09/21/2005 6:36:13 AM PDT by TechJunkYard (my other PC is a 9406)
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To: chronic_loser

The best way to cut down on spyware is to make sure that your employees are running with Restricted User Accounts (Control Panel | User Accounts | Select User | Properties | Restricted User. That prevents spyware from even installing itself on their boxes, because it lacks sufficient privileges.


43 posted on 09/21/2005 10:57:10 AM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: chronic_loser

Nah, Howard Dean is an open source luni, even named his campaign "open source politics". Now we have this:

http://www.demzilla.org


44 posted on 09/21/2005 6:35:53 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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