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CA: Impound bill on Arnold's desk (Illegals seek exemption)
LA Daily News ^ | 9/20/05 | Harrison Shephard

Posted on 09/20/2005 11:15:10 AM PDT by BurbankKarl

A bill sitting on Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's desk could exempt illegal immigrants and unlicensed teenagers from vehicle-impound laws that apply to other drivers who are arrested for driving with suspended and revoked licenses.

The bill requires the police to return vehicles to their registered owners who present a valid registration and driver's license. So if police stop a joyriding teenager or an illegal immigrant who is borrowing a friend's car, they cannot impound the vehicle if the owner shows up with a valid license, as they can under current law.

Assemblyman Alberto Torrico, D-Fremont, said his bill was not aimed at illegal immigrants, but at families where an unlicensed teen might "borrow" the family car and then get stopped by police, causing the vehicle to be impounded for 30 days.

"The bill is intended to address situations where basically the licensed owner is unfairly punished because of the actions of someone else, perhaps a minor child in the family, someone who steals a car or takes it for a joy ride," said Sam Delson, a Torrico aide. "The licensed owner under current law faces a severe penalty."

Schwarzenegger has not yet taken a position on the bill.

But opponents said vehicle owners should be held responsible for how the vehicle is used.

"I don't believe we should be softening the penalties against those who are driving without a license in the state of California," said Sen. George Runner, R-Lancaster, who voted against the bill.

"Potentially many of those driving without a license are probably illegal immigrants.

I do not want to soften the law on that."

Under current law, police can seize and impound a vehicle for 30 days if the driver does not have a license, or has a suspended or revoked license.

Current law also allows illegal immigrants to own, register and insure vehicles, but does not allow them to have valid California driver's licenses, according to state officials.

A bill sent this month to the governor, SB 60, by Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, would allow undocumented immigrants to obtain licenses, but Schwarzenegger is expected to veto it.

Another Cedillo bill that is still pending in the Legislature would specifically exempt illegal immigrants from the impound requirements, without needing the vehicle's owner to present a valid license. A number of law enforcement agencies have written to ask Schwarzenegger to veto the Torrico bill, including California Highway Patrol Commissioner M.L. Brown, Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca; the San Fernando Valley Traffic Advisory Council; and San Fernando Police Chief Anthony Alba.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; cedillo; illegal; immigrantlist; sb675

1 posted on 09/20/2005 11:15:14 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl
Another Cedillo bill that is still pending in the Legislature would specifically exempt illegal immigrants from the impound requirements, without needing the vehicle's owner to present a valid license.
2 posted on 09/20/2005 11:16:16 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Funny, there used to be a concept we are all equal under the law. Under democrat's seems some are to be more equal then others.


3 posted on 09/20/2005 11:16:33 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; A CA Guy; ...

ping


4 posted on 09/20/2005 11:17:08 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: BurbankKarl


Cripes. Hard to believe this crap reaches his desk.


5 posted on 09/20/2005 11:19:04 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Assemblyman Alberto Torrico, D-Fremont, said his bill was not aimed at illegal immigrants, but...
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There are so many radical libs trying to capitalize on the runaway presence of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS in this country, it is sickening. And for the most part, they continue to get away with the insanity.


6 posted on 09/20/2005 11:19:26 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


7 posted on 09/20/2005 11:20:24 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: BurbankKarl

November, 2006 can't come soon enough for me!
I just hope people will come forward to run against these clowns!


8 posted on 09/20/2005 11:24:48 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: BurbankKarl

Good grief!


9 posted on 09/20/2005 11:29:58 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: onyx
Cripes. Hard to believe this crap reaches his desk.

LOL!
Hellooooo Mrs. Sippee!

10 posted on 09/20/2005 11:31:23 AM PDT by b9
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To: EagleUSA
What do you expect? If they turn their backs on their "constituates(sp?)" they'll never get reelected!
11 posted on 09/20/2005 11:31:45 AM PDT by Semper Vigilantis (Peace comes from having superior firepower, the will to use it, and a very short fuse.)
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To: BurbankKarl
would allow undocumented immigrants to obtain licenses

And, of course, use the motor/voter provisions.

12 posted on 09/20/2005 11:32:23 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: EagleUSA
There are so many radical libs trying to capitalize on the runaway presence of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS in this country

Aided and abetted by the leadership of the alleged "conservatives" of the Republican party, who appear to be in a race to see who can push the craziest, most radical open borders ideas.

13 posted on 09/20/2005 11:34:08 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Regulator

Aided and abetted by the leadership of the alleged "conservatives" of the Republican party, who appear to be in a race to see who can push the craziest, most radical open borders ideas.
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The election in 2008, and even 2006, is not going to go easy. Mainly due to the makeup of the Repubs. Conservatives versus RINOs. Not a pretty picture. Too many are more concerned about their "political profession" than they are about America and its REAL CITIZENS.


14 posted on 09/20/2005 11:39:45 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

I heard Gilcrest's radio ad yesterday on KFI! I thought John and Ken were playing it, but it was a real ad.


15 posted on 09/20/2005 11:49:25 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: doodlelady


Aw, that's cute! I'm so sorry I missed seeing you before I left. I will be back for a reunion no later than 2009 God willing.


16 posted on 09/20/2005 11:51:06 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Try insuring a vehicle if owner does not have a valid Ca license - it not done. Insurance Companies will not insure and will cancel or non renew or exclude driver if license is not valid. That's why you have so many uninsured motorist.

Cars should be towed if valid proof of insurance and driver does not hold valid license. Unless it clearly identifies the non-citizen (i.e.illegal)they are not entitled to one. Why should they get a break. You break the laws, you should pay the penalties.


17 posted on 09/20/2005 11:54:50 AM PDT by newfrpr04
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To: BurbankKarl

http://aztlan.net/


18 posted on 09/20/2005 11:58:28 AM PDT by AMERIKA
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To: newfrpr04

BurbankKarl's law would provide for IMMEDIATE DEPORTATION of an illegal alien caught driving in California. (like Arizona)

And impounding of the vehicle, sold at auction to fund the state debt.


19 posted on 09/20/2005 12:01:16 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: newfrpr04

Cars should be towed if valid proof of insurance and driver does not hold valid license. Unless it clearly identifies the non-citizen (i.e.illegal)they are not entitled to one. Why should they get a break. You break the laws, you should pay the penalties.

hahahahaha in a sane world maybe.


20 posted on 09/20/2005 12:03:30 PM PDT by sheana
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To: BurbankKarl
Illegals.

Our Palestinian problem.

21 posted on 09/20/2005 12:03:31 PM PDT by kstewskis ("I don't know what I know, but I know that it's big".....Jerry Fletcher)
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To: BurbankKarl
Assemblyman Alberto Torrico, D-Fremont, said his bill was not aimed at illegal immigrants,

Of course not. That's why the phrase "illegal immigrant" is in the bill.

How stupid do they think we are?

22 posted on 09/20/2005 12:07:10 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Lizavetta

Laws are for White people!!!!!! F this s.


23 posted on 09/20/2005 12:31:26 PM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: BurbankKarl

I like "BurbankKarl's law " would solve an awful lot of problems, we might even see a break on our insurance premium.


24 posted on 09/20/2005 12:35:44 PM PDT by newfrpr04
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To: onyx

Hope you're happy ":^)


25 posted on 09/20/2005 12:43:49 PM PDT by b9
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To: BurbankKarl

Agree with your 'law' but what if the vehicle is stolen? It should be sold at auction?


26 posted on 09/20/2005 12:46:07 PM PDT by b9
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To: edcoil

the guy is partially right. illegal immigrants shouldn't be held to the same laws normal citizens are. unfortunately the guy hasn't realized that the law they SHOULD be held to is the one that says he's not to be here in the first place, and needs to be kicked out.


27 posted on 09/20/2005 12:51:15 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: doodlelady


Yes. I miss some people, but that's all. I hope you're still busy?


28 posted on 09/20/2005 12:56:00 PM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: BurbankKarl
It should be noted that the 30 day impound is hidden fine and a license for the impound lots to print money (for which they kick back about 2/3 to the state).

Typical included is a $75/day (or more) impound fee.

It amounts to car confiscation for the old POS cars these people typically drive. Does'nt bother the illegals much. The tow fee was more then their cars are usually worth. They're replacing the car with another '85 chevette the next day.

As to the parents whos kids are joy riding. I'd give em a choice: Charge your little darling with car theft and get the car back OR lose the car for 30 days and pay the extortion.

29 posted on 09/20/2005 12:56:27 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: BurbankKarl

If they hurt or kill someone and you know they're driving your car, the police should arrest you.


30 posted on 09/20/2005 1:04:40 PM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: BurbankKarl

It seems to make sense to me. If the driver is not the owner, the vehicle shouldn't be impounded. That only punishes the owner and does not punish the driver. The impounding should be a punishment for an owner-driver. Non-owner drivers need to be arrested for driving without a liscence (or insurance) and should serve an appropriate term in jail. For example, what if the vehicle in question was a rental and driven by someone who didn't rent it? Should the car be taken from the rental company as punishment without wrongdoing?


31 posted on 09/20/2005 1:08:32 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Another whatda-f? Law!~}


32 posted on 09/20/2005 1:08:40 PM PDT by funkywbr
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To: Regulator

Nonsense.


33 posted on 09/20/2005 1:17:15 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: BurbankKarl

The statists love their confiscation laws


34 posted on 09/20/2005 1:23:01 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: BurbankKarl

If a gun owner is subject to penalties for leaving a firearm where a kid can get it, why not the same for his car?


35 posted on 09/20/2005 1:37:25 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: BurbankKarl
"The bill is intended to address situations where basically the licensed owner is unfairly punished because of the actions of someone else, perhaps a minor child in the family, someone who steals a car or takes it for a joy ride," said Sam Delson, a Torrico aide. "The licensed owner under current law faces a severe penalty."

Keys and telephones!

Keys are to lock your car from unauthorized use and telephones are for calling the police to report it stolen.

If you are too dumb, lazy or lax to secure the keys and too liberal with your children to call the cops on them if they steal (or use your car without permission), or worse yet, not report your car stolen...YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE.

36 posted on 09/20/2005 1:50:50 PM PDT by DH
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Wow, that's deep.


37 posted on 09/20/2005 2:49:12 PM PDT by Regulator (You're a Real Aristotle, Aren'cha?)
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To: edcoil

amazing isn't it.


38 posted on 09/20/2005 6:04:37 PM PDT by television is just wrong (http://hehttp://print.google.com/print/doc?articleidisblogs.blogspot.com/ (visit blogs, visit ads).)
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To: Regulator
Aided and abetted by the leadership of the alleged "conservatives" of the Republican party, who appear to be in a race to see who can push the craziest, most radical open borders ideas.

That needs to be repeated!

There are many on this forum who complain about Democrat views on illegal immigration. The Republicans are just as bad. It's a race to see who can give the most entitlements to lawbreakers.

39 posted on 09/20/2005 11:03:10 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: doc30
If the driver is not the owner, the vehicle shouldn't be impounded. That only punishes the owner and does not punish the driver.

Existing law allows 30-day impounds when an unlicensed driver is found driving a car, whether it belongs to him or not; there are probably exceptions for stolen cars and perhaps some others. This is a strong disincentive for people to lend their cars to people without drivers licenses.

This proposed law exempts cars from impounding when they're driven by unlicensed drivers who happen to be either illegal aliens or younger teenagers. Cars driven by all other unlicensed drivers would still be subject to impounding. Why should laws be relaxed for only two categories of unlicensed drivers, especially when those people are the least likely to have ever been licensed to drive and are probably more dangerous than former drunk drivers who are no longer inebriated?

A logical consequence of this proposed law, if chaptered, would be people with drivers licenses lending cars (long term) to illegal aliens while retaining the registration so the cars could never be impounded. This would lead unnecessarily/unfairly to higher insurance rates for everybody else.


For example, what if the vehicle in question was a rental and driven by someone who didn't rent it? Should the car be taken from the rental company as punishment without wrongdoing?

Sure, why not (unless the law has special exemptions)? It's not really "punishment" for the rental company. The person who rented the car showed his own license and signed an agreement that nobody else would drive. If the renter fails to return the car on time, he'll have to pay for the extended rental, which could easily be over $1000 for the 30-day impound period. Or, the rental agency can claim the car is stolen, but the renter might not prefer the higher penalties.

40 posted on 09/21/2005 1:59:07 AM PDT by heleny (Yes on CA Propositions 73, 74, 75)
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To: gubamyster

There must be a new drug out in Californ-ia.


41 posted on 09/21/2005 6:45:06 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Rome wasn't burned in a day." [This message brought to you by Addams Family supporters of Blanko].)
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