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Maine storekeepers say customers fuming about high cigarette tax
New Hampshire Union Leader ^ | September 19, 2005 | Glenn Adams

Posted on 09/20/2005 4:25:26 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes

Maine storekeepers say customers fuming about high cigarette tax

By GLENN ADAMS Associated Press Writer

HALLOWELL, Maine (AP) -- Taking time out to tend to customers who drift into his tobacco shop on a sunny Monday morning, owner Tom Allen showed little worry about the doubling of Maine's cigarette tax to $2 that just took effect.

"There's no impact on me whatsoever. If anything, it will help because people will stop buying packs and make their own," said Allen, whose Kennebec Tobacco Co. sells bags of loose rolling tobacco as a sideline to its main products, cigars and pipe products.

But farther west toward the New Hampshire border, storekeepers said they were hearing it from customers and seeing the first signs of regulars drifting to the Granite State to buy their smokes. New Hampshire's tax is 80 cents a pack, which makes a carton of cigarettes $12 less in that state than in Maine.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: business; cigarettes; maine; newhampshire; pack; store; tax
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I'm no longer a smoker so it doesn't directly affect me. But, as a resident of New Hampshire, I feel sad for the people of Maine. Their governor and legislature seem bound and determined to tax the whole state into oblivion. There is a little store in Conway, NH, just across the line from Fryeburg, ME, that was already doing a land office business from Mainers even before this jump. I can just imagine that their business is going to increase dramatically now.
1 posted on 09/20/2005 4:25:28 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes
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To: Past Your Eyes
There is a little store in Conway, NH

Shhhhhh. Or we'll end up with State Smoke Shops here as well.

2 posted on 09/20/2005 4:27:14 PM PDT by evolved_rage (Democrats want Hell on Earth too....)
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To: evolved_rage
Hey, they come from all around, don't they?! Go to Littleton and look at all the Vermont cars in the Wal-Mart parking lot. Check out the liquor stores down around Salem way. Full of Massachusetts people. And they spend lots of money on other things, too.

LIVE FREE OR DIE!!

3 posted on 09/20/2005 4:34:58 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm just sitting here on the Group W bench.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
They can do what we here in the Taxachusetts do in such
cases...go to NH....order over the Internet.
4 posted on 09/20/2005 4:35:09 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Gay State Conservative

Ayup, and thank ye very much! My wife grew up in Massivetaxes, about a mile from the NH line. They did about all of their shopping in Plaistow and Salem, NH.


6 posted on 09/20/2005 4:37:30 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm just sitting here on the Group W bench.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
Full of Massachusetts people. And they spend lots of money on other things, too.

Don't forget South Nashua...a straight shot up Route 3... about a half hour from most of Greater Boston (in light traffic).I always get a kick out of the fact that many of the stores there are literally feet away from the Mass border,almost as if NH was taunting Massachusetts :-)

7 posted on 09/20/2005 4:40:01 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Past Your Eyes

There's a reason for that....when the state is the biggest employer how else are they going to generate operating revenue. The people of ME have the government they deserve.


8 posted on 09/20/2005 4:40:37 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: Past Your Eyes

It will be interesting to see if the "increase" in the tax per pack of death will lead to a decrease in total tax revenues.

Montomike Laffer


9 posted on 09/20/2005 4:41:38 PM PDT by montomike (Gay means happy and carefree...not an abomination against nature's check valve.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
I'm no longer a smoker so it doesn't directly affect me.

Yeah, it does. Remember Martin Niemoeller?

Germany 1930's and 40's

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak out for me.

USA 2000's

First they taxed cigarettes, and I did not speak out--because I was not a smoker:
Then they taxed alcohol, and I did not speak out--because I was not a drinker....

Tobacco and alcohol can only be taxed so much. Eventually, you'll be paying exhorbinant taxes on something to feed the insatiable appetite of big government.

10 posted on 09/20/2005 4:41:49 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
almost as if NH was taunting Massachusetts :-)

You're a quick study, ain't ye? Hehhehheh.

I live in the very middle of the state but I still see lots of Mass----s up here stocking up on beer and cigarettes. Seems like we appreciate you folks more than your own state does.

11 posted on 09/20/2005 4:43:22 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm just sitting here on the Group W bench.)
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To: AlaskaErik
Please note that I am NOT from Maine. Also note my use of the word directly.
12 posted on 09/20/2005 4:45:25 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm just sitting here on the Group W bench.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

been $2.00 a pack in michigan for a while(known locally as the "Jennifer Tax" after Gov. Jennifer Granholm)...a word about internet cigarette sales.......some states (Michigan for sure, I've heard rumors of others) have been getting court orders for customer lists and sending bills for unpaid taxes


13 posted on 09/20/2005 4:45:43 PM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: Past Your Eyes

its worse than that in Anchorage and some other places

http://tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0267.pdf


14 posted on 09/20/2005 4:48:39 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Past Your Eyes
Seems like we appreciate you folks more than your own state does.

You're probably correct.But there's a potential downside for NH here.If you guys ever get a sales tax,Nashua and Salem (and perhaps other towns as well) become ghost towns overnight.At least when it comes to retail trade.

15 posted on 09/20/2005 4:50:31 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Gay State Conservative
LOL I recall when the mall in S Nashua was built. They found that a portion of Sears was in MA. They toyed with several options (having no cash registers there) but ultimately modified the building so it was all in NH. At the same time the MA govt. was talking about setting up road blocks and check points to catch people bringing contraband (purchases made in NH) into MA. They wanted to collect taxes on the spot and levy fines too. What a bunch of commies! MA also ran a number of public service announcements which threatened all manner of reprisals for not paying taxes on purchases made in NH.
16 posted on 09/20/2005 4:52:25 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: Past Your Eyes

Everyone needs to wake up! The leftists, that I call COMMUNISTS, Have created this mess. I don't care if it is cigarettes, gas, or bridges to no where. The EPA, lawyers, and the leftist like chappaquidick fatz and all his buddies created this mess. People blame President Bush for Katrina, no one realizes that our people in uniform keep the terrorists out of our AMERICA, and alot listen to the mainstream media. This is ONE NATION UNDER GOD. God gave us our RIGHTS and FREEDOMS and the FOUNDING FATHERS put it all in writing. Come on AMERICA let's drill for oil on our ground, start realizing that if you smoke you might get cancer, and tell the legistlature that is our real enemy not President Bush to get to work for us. We need to stop handing out those monthly checkes to people that are saying that they are owed to them. Let them get a job. Find the really destitute and sick Americans that need our help and help them. God Bless America!


17 posted on 09/20/2005 4:54:56 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

If government were really serious about discouraging tobacco use, they'd do just the opposite of what they're doing now and slap price controls on cigarettes, with a maximum allowable price just below what's needed to make them profitable.


18 posted on 09/20/2005 4:56:05 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: 556x45

We here in Soviet Canukistan go to New York and buy our cigarettes at the Indian Reservation where they don't have any tax at all. About 90% of the people I know who regularly cross the border are smuggling cigarettes and you can buy them from any guy with a duffle bag. A number of stores advertise "American cigarettes" which means SMUGGLED TAX FREE cigarettes.

Put the price up high enough and you make every housewife a criminal.


19 posted on 09/20/2005 4:57:12 PM PDT by KateatRFM
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To: Past Your Eyes; Gabz; SheLion

You pay eighty cents a pack, and you think you live free? What an amazing thing.


20 posted on 09/20/2005 4:57:49 PM PDT by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: Past Your Eyes

also heard that all of the major credit card companies (in an agreement with ATF) will no longer pay websites that sell cigs across state lines........suggest finding a truck driver friend who passes through Kentucky


21 posted on 09/20/2005 4:58:17 PM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: Past Your Eyes
...bags of loose rolling tobacco as a sideline to its main products, cigars and pipe products.

Ever since Taft raised the tax here in Ohio on cigarettes by $0.75, I've been bying loose tobbaco, cigarette tubes and a cheap, but easy to use, tube stuffer. I used to lay out $7.48 per day now it costs me $0.92 per day.

22 posted on 09/20/2005 5:00:00 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: patton
Actually, I don't live free. I figure I'll die instead.

But at least I know how to spell cemetery.

23 posted on 09/20/2005 5:01:11 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm just sitting here on the Group W bench.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
The increase is one of the latest in an extensive series of steps the state has taken to discourage smoking

No ... it's the latest step in an effort to increase TAXES.

24 posted on 09/20/2005 5:06:03 PM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: 556x45
None of what you've said surprises me.Here in the People's
Republic the two most heinous crimes are:not paying "your fair share" and "hatred and intolerance". And as for collecting taxes on out of state purchases,the Mass income tax return contains a question requiring you to declare how much you've purchased without paying Mass sales tax and then you're assessed 5% of that figure.

Also,Mass State Police have been known to hang out in parking lots of NH fireworks stores before July 4th and following cars with Mass plates back into Mass and then stopping them (fireworks are illegal here).

25 posted on 09/20/2005 5:06:49 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Gay State Conservative
They don't want anybody to have any fun do they?

Unless the state (guess I should say Commonwealth) gets a nice cut out of it.

26 posted on 09/20/2005 5:11:53 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm just sitting here on the Group W bench.)
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To: shooter223
suggest finding a truck driver friend who passes through Kentucky.

Earlier this year,I drove down the East Coast (I-95) to Florida.I was really surprised to see that cigarettes in VA and the Carolinas are at least $3 a pack cheaper than in the northeastern People's Republics.

It almost made me wish that I smoked.

27 posted on 09/20/2005 5:12:15 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Past Your Eyes

"tax to $2 that just took effect"

LOL.. In 1970 a pack of smokes cost 24 cents.

A gallon of gas cost 29 cents...


28 posted on 09/20/2005 5:15:06 PM PDT by AMERIKA
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To: Gay State Conservative
LOL...they pulled that naughty trick at the NH liquor stores and wound up getting arrested by the NH state police. Oh, they were SO mad...but I must say they deserved it richly. The MA state police threatened, postured and complained publicly. It's was quite the show and entertaining too.
29 posted on 09/20/2005 5:16:17 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: Past Your Eyes
guess I should say Commonwealth

"Commonwealth" is the Massachusetts Power Structure's way of saying to working folks "what's yours is ours".

30 posted on 09/20/2005 5:18:06 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Past Your Eyes

Well, that's what you get you mindless sheep of Maine that keep putting these morons into office.

One word for them: TOUGH!


31 posted on 09/20/2005 5:19:18 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I've totally given up on the possibility any politicians can govern....left or right or middle.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

I've been around a very long time, and used to "roll my own" when money got short. Smoking was accepted, and even celebrated during and after WWII. In the movies of those days the most sophisticated stars smoked in most of their scenes.

I quit smoking for personal reasons on April 19, 2001, but have never, and will never, complain about another person's right to smoke.

Public health problems, such as sodomy, are politically accepted, and even celebrated by the leftists in this country. After all, votes are accepted, no matter where they come from.

The simple political truth is this. The behavior that votes for me is acceptable.


32 posted on 09/20/2005 5:19:29 PM PDT by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick)
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To: Past Your Eyes

My wife and fell in love with Conway on our NE trip many years ago. We changed many plans to be able to stay a couple of days longer.

We then went back just to visit there for a week a few years later.


33 posted on 09/20/2005 5:20:22 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I've totally given up on the possibility any politicians can govern....left or right or middle.)
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To: AlaskaErik

lets see.......income tax(state&fed sometimes local)...FICA... estate tax...property tax...gasoline tax(state&fed)...liquor tax(state&fed)...tobacco tax(state&fed)...sales tax.......... taxes that are called something else......driver's license... license plates&registration...business license...hunting fishing license...firearms registration&permits.......a partial list at best off the top of my head........where are Franklin,Jefferson,Washington and friends when we need them?


34 posted on 09/20/2005 5:20:59 PM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: Fledermaus
My wife and fell in love with Conway

Hmmm. Just out of curiosity, what was it that you liked about the place? I'm not overly fond of it myself. Too damm many people and congested as he11. It is nice over on the West Side Road and, of course, the scenery is spectacular in places. But that's true of much of NH.

35 posted on 09/20/2005 5:30:11 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm just sitting here on the Group W bench.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
...and when my misspelling goes best seller, you remind me of that, OK?

LOL. It is a signiture.

36 posted on 09/20/2005 5:32:44 PM PDT by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: patton
LOL yourself! I also know how to spell signature. Do you need an editor?

";^)

37 posted on 09/20/2005 5:39:33 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm just sitting here on the Group W bench.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

I guess being a tourist and not a resident! lol

We had a great time there and the surrounding area. We loved to dine at the 1785 Inn.


38 posted on 09/20/2005 5:39:57 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I've totally given up on the possibility any politicians can govern....left or right or middle.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Yes, I do - you volunteering?


39 posted on 09/20/2005 5:41:41 PM PDT by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: Fledermaus

I live about 8 miles south of the other (west) end of the Kancamagus Highway. Only go to Conway on business, which is about once a week.


40 posted on 09/20/2005 5:45:01 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm just sitting here on the Group W bench.)
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To: patton

Not me but my wife is looking for a good paying job. She spells even better than I do.
";^0


41 posted on 09/20/2005 5:46:00 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm just sitting here on the Group W bench.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Sorry, the job pays 10% of what I get paid - nothing. LOL.


42 posted on 09/20/2005 5:51:00 PM PDT by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: Past Your Eyes

I'm a smoker and I can remember when people said "when it gets to $2.00 / pack, I'm quitting". Then $3.00... then $4.00, etc...

The price of cigarettes is really remarkably elastic.


43 posted on 09/20/2005 6:17:56 PM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Pessimist

I switched to a pipe when they went to $.30/pack in the machines in the dorms when I was in college.


44 posted on 09/20/2005 6:24:27 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm just sitting here on the Group W bench.)
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To: billhilly
I quit smoking for personal reasons on April 19, 2001, but have never, and will never, complain about another person's right to smoke.

Thank you. I've found that the most ardent anti smoking NAZI's are, cough, former smoker's! Blackbird.

45 posted on 09/20/2005 7:01:45 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: billhilly
I quit smoking for personal reasons on April 19, 2001, but have never, and will never, complain about another person's right to smoke.

Thank you. I've found that the most ardent anti smoking NAZI's are, cough, former smoker's! Blackbird.

46 posted on 09/20/2005 7:02:00 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: patton; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; MeeknMing; steve50; Cantiloper; metesky; kattracks; ...
You pay eighty cents a pack, and you think you live free? What an amazing thing.

We figured it out: all Augusta had to do was tax every can of beer by one cent and that would have taken care of their budget. But no, they had to lay this tax all on the backs of the smokers again!

47 posted on 09/21/2005 4:02:19 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: patton; All
Help To Roll Your Own

click here

48 posted on 09/21/2005 4:13:05 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Rudder

I started rolling my own a year before he raised it again. I was still pissed off from the first time. That RHINO is the worst guv we've ever had, regardless of party.


49 posted on 09/21/2005 4:29:28 AM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: SheLion

Better get everybody back over to the poll thread-the Taliban are starting to vote again.


50 posted on 09/21/2005 5:35:58 AM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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