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Firefox 1.0.7 Released...
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Posted on 09/21/2005 12:57:05 AM PDT by Echo Talon

Well, if you're using Firefox it's time to upgrade. If your using IE it's time to switch! :)Link


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1 posted on 09/21/2005 12:57:05 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

And for the adventurous, there's the Firefox Beta of v1.5 - and I hear they're giving away Opera now too...


2 posted on 09/21/2005 1:00:16 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?)
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To: Keith in Iowa

I never tried opera before...


3 posted on 09/21/2005 1:09:49 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Echo Talon

Firefox must be waiting to add the update notification.
In either case, I'm ready to hop on it.

Everytime I think I've got my box hardened to 440 I manage to pick up some crap.

It's not mutch fun surfing w/o Java Script and I already use No Script...

I am on the verge of resurecting an older P4 box just for surfing.

Here's my defense list
AVG
Spybot S&D
Lavasoft Adaware
CWSHredder
Microsoft Anti-Spyware
Trend Micro

I also do the on-line scans
and scan for open ports, trojans and dakine on a regular basis.

I'm really starting to get disgusted with the net.

I've got Thunderbird wratcheted down to strip everything but bare text and send the same.


I don't do pornsites, or download low-end games, or even "surf"
By the way, did I miss anything Security wise?

Using ADSL no Router. -TIA, somehow I know you'll have input.


5 posted on 09/21/2005 1:25:12 AM PDT by Capn TrVth
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To: Capn TrVth

wow, lots of stuff you got goin' on. Not sure what fixes are in this version. Maybe on their site they will have it.


6 posted on 09/21/2005 1:30:17 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Isherwood_Williams

Don't you have to pay for Opera? I thought someone said you had to buy it or something thats why I never tried it.


7 posted on 09/21/2005 1:31:46 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Echo Talon
Don't you have to pay for Opera? I thought someone said you had to buy it or something thats why I never tried it.

Opera Eliminates Ad Banner and Licensing Fee

8 posted on 09/21/2005 1:34:40 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe

Wow, thanks! I'll give it a shot.


9 posted on 09/21/2005 1:40:07 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Echo Talon
Opera is good--good enough that I shelled out $40 for it, after using Firefox since before it was Firebird. There are things about Firefox I miss, but Opera is much faster, especially with many tabs open. 8.02 has fixed the bugs that plagued earlier versions, and it runs everywhere. I use it only on Windows and FreeBSD, but a single license gets you keys for many platforms.

Opera has pretty good RSS support, too, although I use another reader.

Both Firefox and Opera are much better than IE, for many reasons (and I'm not your standard-issue MS basher--I make my living writing software for Windows, but I just don't like IE).

10 posted on 09/21/2005 1:41:02 AM PDT by umbagi (Austin 'til Friday, then Kerrville, back home Saturday. Y'All stay safe!)
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To: backhoe
Opera Eliminates Ad Banner and Licensing Fee

Sigh... I just sold three friends on it last month, so I'll be hearing from them about their forty bucks. I don't regret mine--it was worth it.

11 posted on 09/21/2005 1:45:06 AM PDT by umbagi (Austin 'til Friday, then Kerrville, back home Saturday. Y'All stay safe!)
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To: umbagi; backhoe

ok, using Opera to write this post.... :) thanks guys.


12 posted on 09/21/2005 1:45:48 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Capn TrVth

I have had problems with AVG letting things get by. I use ETrust Antivirus from Computer Associates along with firefox and thunderbird. I don't have anything ratcheted down. I use Adaware and run a scan once a month - it doesn't find anything.

One thing I do use is what we call Inbox Sentry which is a challenge/response spam blocker that holds email on the server until I release it to Thunderbird - that keeps the auto-executing crap away from my system.

It may be that you have something on your system that hides itself pretty well, then runs when you start your web browser and installs more junk. Those are hard to get rid of but will make your life easier if you can manage to find them.

I got rid of windows 98 too - what a security hole that was!

I would guess that if you can find a way to screen your email before you download it that will stop 99% of the junk from getting to you and then you can let scripts run again.


13 posted on 09/21/2005 1:46:22 AM PDT by msrngtp2002
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To: Capn TrVth

Put the router in, as they say it wouldn't hurt.


14 posted on 09/21/2005 1:58:31 AM PDT by dts32041 ( Robin Hood, stealing from the government and giving back to tax payer. Where is he today?)
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To: Echo Talon

Just be sure you aren't jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.


Twenty-five vulnerabilities were disclosed for Mozilla browsers, including Firefox, in the first half of the year, compared with 13 for Explorer, Symantec said. Eighteen of the Mozilla flaws were classified as high severity, compared with eight high-severity Explorer flaws

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/mc/20050919/tc_mc/symantecmacusersdeludingthemselvesoversecurity


15 posted on 09/21/2005 1:59:36 AM PDT by Abby4116
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To: msrngtp2002
I would guess that if you can find a way to screen your email before you download it that will stop 99% of the junk from getting to you and then you can let scripts run again.

Check out K9--it's free, and beats anything I've ever paid for or installed on Unix.

It takes a little setup--you have to know how to set your email client to use a non-standard port (configurable in K9), and you'll need to tell it what's spam when it misses things for a while. After a "training" period you hardly know it's there, but all your spam emails go whereever you tell your email client to put them. You can configure it either to change the subject line of spam, or add a special header (that's configurable, too)

From a clean installation on a new machine in December, my stats are showing 99.24% accuracy on 32,958 emails processed. It's missing only one or two spams a month now, with zero false positives since I installed it. My last installation ran for years with similar results.

16 posted on 09/21/2005 2:01:53 AM PDT by umbagi (Austin 'til Friday, then Kerrville, back home Saturday. Y'All stay safe!)
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To: Abby4116
I don't use it(Firefox) for security. I just it for functionality. Tabbed Browsing. IE doesn't have that.
17 posted on 09/21/2005 2:04:08 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Capn TrVth
Using ADSL no Router.

If I may butt in?

The biggest single improvement I've had with the home PC's was setting up a LAN ( newer term is a home network ) using an Asante' FR1004 router which has a hardware firewall in both directions- in & out.

The previous setup used a Wirespeed DSL modem which claimed it had a firewall, but still let in tons of junk-- when we changed to a cable modem, I networked the two home PC's via ethernet, and problems virtually ceased.

You still need an antivirus running, just to be on the safe side, but there's no subsitute for a hardware firewall.

18 posted on 09/21/2005 2:10:48 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Capn TrVth
I don't see a router with a good firewall, and I don't see firewall software on your PC.

On the bottom of my Freeper Home Page are these three links to the best internet security sites I've found:

The best site for keeping your PC safe from spam, viruses, spyware and other security hazards on the internet is FirewallGuide.com.

The best site for help setting up home and small business networks, and for networking equipment recommendations and reviews is PracticallyNetworked.com. Post your questions to their online forums.

The best site to explain the technology and terms of home networking is CERT's Home Network Security.

You also need to have active spyware and virus and firewall software running all the time in your PC, as well as automatic nightly scans for spyware and viruses.

It has gotten dramatically worse during the last year.

19 posted on 09/21/2005 2:11:44 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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To: Abby4116
It is difficult to fairly compare the rates of reported vulnerabilities between Internet Explorer and Firefox, because they have dramatically different organizations behind them. One is Open Source, the other proprietary. There is likely much more aggressive and rapid reporting of vulnerabilities on the Open Source side.
20 posted on 09/21/2005 2:14:44 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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To: Echo Talon

Have they fixed the exploit that was leading to infection with the asdf.exe file?


21 posted on 09/21/2005 2:15:16 AM PDT by English Nationalist
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To: English Nationalist
Have they fixed the exploit that was leading to infection with the asdf.exe file?

No ideas...

22 posted on 09/21/2005 2:18:02 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Thanks much, my Sygate is showing that *everything* is blocked, no open ports, I passed stealth scan trojan scan all w/ flying colors.


I guess I need to got to Circuit city and get a Router.

Bummer, here I thought i was all |33+ and stuff.

If you scan me again, would you fr mail me the results just for S&G? thnx...


23 posted on 09/21/2005 2:42:04 AM PDT by Capn TrVth
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To: Capn TrVth
Try Kaspersky Anti-virus, I think you might like it. Picked up bugs I never knew about.
24 posted on 09/21/2005 2:43:49 AM PDT by Critical Bill ("Iraq is fighting for all the Arabs. Where are the Arab armies?" ... George Galloway MP)
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To: martin_fierro
You might enjoy this thread. Hey, did I tell you we've got a new padaria and churrascaria within blocks of my house now?

Any closer and I'll have to sue Brasil in one of those "fatty lawsuits". Actually my wife is more interested in the padaria than I am now. She loves the dolce de leite cakes they make.

25 posted on 09/21/2005 3:05:33 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: msrngtp2002

Use MailWasher Pro, it lets you see your email before you download it! Only in Text Mode! Use this link.
http://www.firetrust.com/


26 posted on 09/21/2005 3:09:00 AM PDT by ktw (kakkate koi)
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To: Echo Talon

bump for later.


27 posted on 09/21/2005 3:13:50 AM PDT by PilloryHillary
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To: Echo Talon

So tell me..what are the quatative differences
between the new rev, and the most recent?


28 posted on 09/21/2005 3:14:11 AM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: NickatNite2003
So tell me..what are the quatative differences
between the new rev, and the most recent?

Release Notes

29 posted on 09/21/2005 3:24:11 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Capn TrVth
You might try interposing the Proxomitron proxy between your browser and the Net. If it then blocks the pop-ups from a site you'd prefer not to have blocked, you can place that site on a bypass list:

Proxomitron info

Proxomitron downloads


30 posted on 09/21/2005 3:31:05 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Capn TrVth
I'm supposed to be very protected too.

I don't surf.

I visit FreeRepublic, Drudge, Google sports groups, sports illustrated.

I visit links per FR. That's it...and I am bombarded by $hit emails for porn sites (never visited).

I even changed email accounts as an experiment and within a few days, the spam starts again.

Erectile dysfunction...porn...mortgage...ebay account updates (don't have one)

It's sickening.

They should start charging a nickel for every email you send. That would stop the crap.

31 posted on 09/21/2005 3:41:01 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Capn TrVth
By the way, did I miss anything Security wise?

A firewall?

Try Zone Labs. It is very good and free.

32 posted on 09/21/2005 4:13:59 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Lt. Gen. Russel Honore to MSM: "You are stuck on stupid. Over.")
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To: Caipirabob

Muito obrigao, you churrasco-eatin' fiend.

< |:)~


33 posted on 09/21/2005 5:51:10 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Jeff Gordon

I use Sygate Firewall, it stands up to every on-line portscan I've found.


34 posted on 09/21/2005 6:20:41 AM PDT by Capn TrVth
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To: Echo Talon

I've been using it for over a week. I like it..


35 posted on 09/21/2005 6:23:18 AM PDT by The Mayor ( Pray as if everything depends on God; work as if everything depends on you.)
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To: DCPatriot

My surfing habits are much like yours, Drudge, FR, Only KNOWN news domains, and KNOWN trusted sites, I have learned how to DEFEAT the spam monster though...

I have not received but one or 2 spams per month...

This is how I did it. I got two Gmail accounts, One for my close friends and associates to use, I made it long and lugbrious with lots of periods, something like this.

blah.blah.blabberty@gmail.com

I made another to give to "Casual acquaintences" or folks that I suspect like to pass on every "cute" A.O.L. e-mail they happen across, that one is even longer...

Spambots discard long names as nonviable e-mail addys and the periods throw them off too.

I NEVER never never never never give my ISP issued E-mail to -ANYONE- but my online banking and similar institutions.

Gmail is great at weeding out the one or two spams per month. If you need a Gmail account let me know, though I think they are free now and easily obtainable.

The bonus 3 GIGS!!! of storage!!!!


36 posted on 09/21/2005 6:58:27 AM PDT by Capn TrVth
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To: Capn TrVth
By the way, did I miss anything Security wise?

You're a hypochondriac. Pick one good commercial virus scanner (and Trend's PC Cillan is a good one), and perhaps the MS antispyware, if you like, keep them up to date, and call it good. Get rid of everything else.

Most of the crap those other freeware scareware programs find are perfectly harmless cookies. And I suspect, they are a self-fullfilling prophecy. They want you to be afraid.

37 posted on 09/21/2005 7:22:07 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: HairOfTheDog
" You're a hypochondriac."

Ya that's it, a harmless lil' ol' Keystroke logger."
-I don't know what I was thinking! -Tell ya what, I'll continue to avail myself of the good advice that shows up in these threads, -and maybe learn a bit as I go.

-You can sit-back, relax and let Microsoft worry about a-l-l-l-l those naggling little spyware problems ;> Happy surfing!

38 posted on 09/21/2005 8:43:48 AM PDT by Capn TrVth
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To: Capn TrVth

I've never had one bit of spyware or adware infect my machine. Not once! Never had a virus, never had a bit of the trouble that all the folks that use all that freeware crap get, so what should I assume?

I'm smart, use good products, keep them up to date and I haven't needed to bog myself down with every freeware scareware tool some kid has worked up in his garage.

Surfing is happy for me.... you were the one that said you were "really starting to get disgusted with the net."


39 posted on 09/21/2005 8:48:55 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: HairOfTheDog
This is obsolete advice, I believe.

The spyware/malware crap that has been showing up at a rapidly increasing rate over the last several months is visciously more difficult to detect and to remove.

None of the spyware removers can get more than perhaps half to two-thirds of it. You have to run several of them to get decent coverage.

See the links I posted earlier in this thread for better advice.

40 posted on 09/21/2005 10:08:37 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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To: Echo Talon

bttt


41 posted on 09/21/2005 10:37:23 AM PDT by Balata
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To: HairOfTheDog

Well, I hope your run of good luck keeps up, though I was really looking for a little bit of tech palaver and not any sort of argument. Thanks for your input.


42 posted on 09/21/2005 10:46:59 AM PDT by Capn TrVth
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To: Echo Talon

Done and done! Thanks. :)


43 posted on 09/21/2005 10:48:01 AM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: ThePythonicCow
None of the spyware removers can get more than perhaps half to two-thirds of it. You have to run several of them to get decent coverage.

I just don't believe that. I've never had one bit of spyware show up on my machine... none. One time years ago, I stupidly installed Gator and had a bit of a tough time deleting it, but that was years ago. Nothing since. I hate to sound like a tinfoilhatter, but I'm suspicious that the spyware removers are baiting their own trap.

44 posted on 09/21/2005 11:07:51 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Echo Talon
There was an article recently, I thought I read it on Jane's but can't find it now, it was with an N.S.A. Security Analyst, he was talking about the new generations of spyware, each thing he said was more omininous than the next, the discussion was moving in terms of just exactly *what* spyware/Malware could do... This is paraphrased, but what he said was chilling. in essence: "We don't KNOW what it can or cannot do, -and the only way we could HOPE to understand the full scope of the problem was to: "Analyze the packets on an "atomic level". -related link: /http://tinyurl.com/dqoz5
45 posted on 09/21/2005 11:20:32 AM PDT by Capn TrVth
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To: HairOfTheDog
Many of the spyware removers are selling F.U.D. and baiting their own trap, that is true.

There is a change occurring over the last 3 to 9 months most noticeably. Some serious money or national interests are putting serious effort into owning (having hacked control over) as many millions of PC's as they can, without being noticed by the PC owner.

Fewer and fewer users have sufficiently narrow computer usage patterns that they are safe from such attacks. It is rapidly becoming no longer responsible to encourage running malware or spyware detection tools, even as it becomes increasingly difficult to cull the tools that do more good than harm from those that don't do so.

Please don't continue to encourage unsafe computing practices.

46 posted on 09/21/2005 12:26:13 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

I'm not recommending unsafe computing practices.

I said buy good commercial antivirus and spyware applications and keep them up to date, and don't install every free scareware tool that some kid typed up in his basement. All the people who report the most problems have installed every doohicky and gadget they've found a free download for and wonder where all the crap is coming from.


47 posted on 09/21/2005 12:31:18 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Echo Talon
it's amazing how many technology issues take on the fanaticism of a religious war.

Mac vs. PC

windows vs. linux

and now, IE vs. FF

I'm sure we are all missing a very important point somewhere.

48 posted on 09/21/2005 12:38:23 PM PDT by smonk
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To: HairOfTheDog
Neither one of us is advocating installing all the scareware that comes along; that crap is one of the major contributors to the problems we face.

But the list of antivirus and spyware apps, and other tools such as spam filters, software firewalls (esp good for controlling outbound malware), hardware firewalls (esp good for controlling inbound worms and hacks), and other such is getting longer. More tools are needed than just a year ago, as well as more expertize and more effort.

49 posted on 09/21/2005 12:47:29 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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To: smonk
it's amazing how many technology issues take on the fanaticism of a religious war.

I know. I believe if you want a 100% secure computer you must keep it turned off and unpluged. I just like firefox because I think it has better features than IE and improves your overall online experience. I downloaded Opera and it will take a little time to get used to it.

50 posted on 09/21/2005 1:38:37 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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