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Submerged bomber lifted from Lake Murray’s bed (WWII B-25)
Charlotte Observer ^ | 9/21/05 | TIM FLACH

Posted on 09/21/2005 6:41:29 AM PDT by Rebelbase

It had been 60 years since Robert Barnes had seen a B-25 up close. Monday the Irmo resident got another look as workers slowly raised a World War II bomber that had crashed in Lake Murray.

Barnes was among 500 people, gathered at the landing on the north side of the dam, who cheered and applauded as the B-25C bomber surfaced just before 9 p.m.

Then workers spent nearly three hours draining water and 800 gallons of fuel from the plane. For a while, cables held it a few feet above the lake, a steady, gentle rain falling from the fuselage.

Early today, the bomber was lowered into a cradle, where it will rest until workers start disassembling it.

Watching the slow raising of the bomber made Barnes feel like he was back in the Army.

“It’s hurry up and wait all over again,” said the former artilleryman, 83.

He had spent more than six hours at the landing watching the final preparations to raise the plane Monday, after also waiting Saturday until the salvage attempt was called off.

Workers stopped the recovery Saturday, worried that they needed more equipment to prevent the plane’s damaged nose from breaking off. There was another 90-minute delay Monday night to pump out 800 gallons of fuel and water from the craft.

John Adams Hodge, who helped organize the operations, said workers were being deliberate to protect the aircraft.

“We’re keeping it gentle,” Hodge said.

But Barnes remained at his post — among the estimated 500 on hand — with a prime view of the effort because of his sense he was watching history.

“It’s something you don’t see every day.”

Barnes said he often saw bombers like the B-25C flying overhead during the war.

When he saw them 60 years ago, he said, he knew they would “go to it” and cause the destruction that would force Germany to surrender earlier.

The plane’s retrieval, he said, is important for those who have no firsthand knowledge of the war, unlike Barnes.

“It’s just great. I haven’t seen one for years.

“I hope it brings history to some of the young folks who have never seen these planes.”


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: kayak

1 posted on 09/21/2005 6:41:31 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

Mitchell Ping


2 posted on 09/21/2005 6:44:39 AM PDT by YouPosting2Me
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To: Rebelbase
Private enterprise, no Goverment Agency involved! http://www.thecolumbiastar.com/news/2005/0916/Front_Page/001.html

Check out the model that was created to assist in the recovery. Feds would have let bids for the model and probably would have spent $500,000 on it:


3 posted on 09/21/2005 6:46:06 AM PDT by Rebelbase (The Mainstream Media is "Stuck on stupid". (Gen. Honore))
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To: Rebelbase
Legend has it that the farmers daughters used to sunbathe naked out there. The pilots caught wind of it and started flying low and slow to catch a peek. One plane got a little to slow, and a little to low, and now they are pulling it out of Lake Murray.
4 posted on 09/21/2005 6:46:20 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Grant what Thou commandest, and command what Thou dost desire." Augustine)
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To: alfa6; Iris7; Valin; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it

Foxhole Air Corp ping


5 posted on 09/21/2005 6:47:16 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can control the awesome power of the Ductalator.)
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To: Dashing Dasher

Aviatrix ping


6 posted on 09/21/2005 6:49:22 AM PDT by StrangerInParadise (This tagline has been reported stolen. If you see it, call BR-549..........)
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To: upchuck; Paleo Conservative

For consideration on your respective ping lists.


7 posted on 09/21/2005 6:49:41 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Grant what Thou commandest, and command what Thou dost desire." Augustine)
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To: All

Ooops, please pardon the typos!


8 posted on 09/21/2005 6:53:06 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Grant what Thou commandest, and command what Thou dost desire." Augustine)
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To: wizr

save for later


9 posted on 09/21/2005 6:58:16 AM PDT by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: Rebelbase

Shades of the B-25 recovered from Huntington Lake Ca. Back in the 60's


10 posted on 09/21/2005 7:05:51 AM PDT by Uncle George
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To: All

11 posted on 09/21/2005 7:18:43 AM PDT by Doofer
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To: Rebelbase

It looks in fairly good condition considering it's been under water all these years.


12 posted on 09/21/2005 7:20:59 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Gamecock

Hope those boys got a good look ;D


13 posted on 09/21/2005 7:22:34 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Uncle George
And the mystery of the B-25 sunk in the river by Pittsburgh.

"The biggest river mystery in Pittsburgh is the sinking of the B25 bomber in the Mon near the Hi-Level Bridge in 1956. The airforce says it is still there but it has never been found! Many people report having seen it being salvaged and hauled away during that same night."

14 posted on 09/21/2005 7:24:27 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: Doofer

B-25 was the Liberator???


15 posted on 09/21/2005 7:27:16 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

No.

B-24 was Liberator. 25 was Mitchell (US) and Hudson (?) for Brit's.


16 posted on 09/21/2005 7:28:33 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: ZULU

The Liberator was a B-24, also called "Flying Coffins" by the krauts.


17 posted on 09/21/2005 7:30:42 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: Rebelbase; SC Swamp Fox; Foxfire4

Very cool. I always remembered hearing stories, living in Columbia, that there were B-25s crashed in Lake Murray, but I thought they were just tall tales. There's already a partially-restored B-25 parked in a rotting hangar down at Columbia Owens Downtown; supposedly *somebody* is going to restore it and put it out at Columbia Metro someday. Maybe.

}:-)4


18 posted on 09/21/2005 7:35:09 AM PDT by Moose4 (Richmond, Virginia, where our motto is "Will Riot For Cheap Laptops")
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

The Hudson was a different plane, built by Lockheed. It's an earlier design than the Mitchell, based on a civilian airliner. Some went to Great Britain under Lend-Lease.


19 posted on 09/21/2005 7:37:52 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: Professional Engineer

Cool!!


20 posted on 09/21/2005 7:54:47 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Me...a skeptic? I trust you have proof)
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To: popdonnelly

A-20 = Boston
A-16 = Hudson

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air-support/ww2-allied/lockheed-hudson.htm


21 posted on 09/21/2005 7:54:48 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: popdonnelly

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air-support/ww2-allied/boston.htm


22 posted on 09/21/2005 7:55:27 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: StrangerInParadise

Cool....

Thanks for the ping.


23 posted on 09/21/2005 8:07:37 AM PDT by Dashing Dasher (There are things in life that will catch your eye, but only a few catch your heart. Pursue those!)
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To: Rebelbase
When he saw them 60 years ago, he said, he knew they would “go to it” and cause the destruction that would force Germany to surrender earlier.

It would be interesting to see a listing of bomber groups that used the B25 Mitchell and which theater they operated in. The B25 came in a lot of variants, some of which were not official, since they were created 'in the field'. Still, it's my impression that most B25's were used in the Pacific Theater of Operations. In the ETO the USAAF used a lot of Martin B26's Marauder and Douglas A-26 Invaders in the medium bomber role. B25's were used in the Mediterranean, however (remember "Catch-22"?).

24 posted on 09/21/2005 8:09:29 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Dashing Dasher

Thought you might enjoy it....................


25 posted on 09/21/2005 8:09:47 AM PDT by StrangerInParadise (This tagline has been reported stolen. If you see it, call BR-549..........)
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To: Tallguy

I recall reading a book about field modified variants flying out of Australia, no bombs, no bombardier, but they mounted 14 (that's right, fourteen) .50 cal M2 machine guns, all firing forward, controlled by the pilot. Sort of like a big fighter.

They were used usually at night, hunting for Japanese troop barges. They even sank a destroyer, and disintegrated one unobservant Japanese fighter who made the terminal mistake of circling around in front of one after making a pass from the rear, thinking it a normal bomber.

The nose was reportedly enveloped in one large fireball when all 14 guns were fired, and long bursts knocked off significant airspeed. Pilots said it had a substantial psychological effect on Japanese troops seeing the fireball in the sky accompanied by massive destruction on the ground.


26 posted on 09/21/2005 8:39:03 AM PDT by E.Allen
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To: Rebelbase

When I was a kid, in the 1950's, it was still very common to see B-25's at airports around the country, usually painted with civilian paint schemes. I guess they were being used privately.


27 posted on 09/21/2005 8:46:21 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality - Miami)
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To: E.Allen
I recall reading a book about field modified variants flying out of Australia, no bombs, no bombardier, but they mounted 14 (that's right, fourteen) .50 cal M2 machine guns, all firing forward, controlled by the pilot. Sort of like a big fighter.

A friend of the family was a radio operator on a 'field-modified' B25 Mitchell. His had the 75-mm nose cannon & the .50 cal blisters on the sides of the fuselage. They flew mostly out of New Guinea looking for Japanese troop ships. He said that the plane seemed to stop momentarily when the gun was fired.

Legend has it that the engineers from North American refused to build planes with the nose cannon until they saw it with their own eyes. Their calculations told them that the plane would stall, I guess.

28 posted on 09/21/2005 8:47:29 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Tallguy; E.Allen

Interesting tales [B-25 nose armament].

I remember reading that the pilot and co-pilot stated that the gun lay between them and that the plane seemed to "hesitate" when it fired. They could see the gun recoil right beside them. I guess the bombardier fed the shells into the breech.

I'd also guess that when the 3-inch wing mounted rockets appeared, this "upgrade" was obsolete.


29 posted on 09/21/2005 9:00:24 AM PDT by Oatka (Hyphenated-Americans have hyphenated-loyalties -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: Rebelbase
As WW2 bomber go there still a good numbers of B-25 around but the earlier B/C model are rare
30 posted on 09/21/2005 9:03:14 AM PDT by tophat9000 (This bulletin just in:"Chinese's Fire Drill's" will now be known as "New Orleans' Hurricane Drill's")
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To: tophat9000
As WW2 bomber go there still a good numbers of B-25 around but the earlier B/C model are rare

When my Dad was stationed at Willow Grove NAS during the early 60's, the commander of his AF reserve unit had a B25 as his 'personal' transportation. Beautiful polished aluminum. Beautiful, that is, until a hydraulics technician accidentally reversed the feed lines to the nose gear and the plane taxied off the runway. The nose strut was stuck halfway into the mud... Never saw the plane after that.

31 posted on 09/21/2005 9:10:25 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
A-16 = Hudson

Lockheed Hudson US Air Corps assigned designation was A-28 however the US Air Corps never used the aircraft

A-16 was part of RAAF serial numbers http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/attack/a4/a4-37.htm

Each service used it own official designation system.

The USAF use a letter and number A20, P51 etc

While the RAF used a official name designation system Boston, Mustang, etc. ...

The US in the early part of the war started to use a official common "nickname" for there aircraft but the letter/number was the official designation

32 posted on 09/21/2005 9:24:36 AM PDT by tophat9000 (This bulletin just in:"Chinese's Fire Drill's" will now be known as "New Orleans' Hurricane Drill's")
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To: tophat9000
PBJ bump

Anyone know what version was recovered? J or earlier?

33 posted on 09/21/2005 9:37:59 AM PDT by Galatians513
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To: Galatians513
It was a B25-"C" model... very rare... the Doolittle raiders where "B" model the C was very similar to the B. The USAF museum to do a "Doolittle raider" I believe had to back a J to look like a B
34 posted on 09/21/2005 9:48:25 AM PDT by tophat9000 (This bulletin just in:"Chinese's Fire Drill's" will now be known as "New Orleans' Hurricane Drill's")
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; popdonnelly; Professional Engineer
Hudson pic for y'all

BTW, I believe this is the only flying Hudson around

Will have some more salvage pics of the B-25 Mitchell later today

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

35 posted on 09/21/2005 10:44:42 AM PDT by alfa6
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To: tophat9000; Galatians513; Tallguy; Oatka; Squantos; Iris7; Robert A. Cook, PE; Sam Cree; E.Allen; ..
Salvage Pics

More here(B-25 Pics)

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

36 posted on 09/21/2005 11:07:24 AM PDT by alfa6
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To: alfa6

Cool. from the article it wasn't clear if the crash was recent. Obviously not.


37 posted on 09/21/2005 11:09:31 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (I come from Texas. Just not Hurricane Crosshair, TX.)
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To: alfa6; Dashing Dasher

It doesn't look like the model...........


38 posted on 09/21/2005 11:12:47 AM PDT by StrangerInParadise (This tagline has been reported stolen. If you see it, call BR-549..........)
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To: Oatka; Dashing Dasher; Robert A. Cook, PE; SAMWolf; Valin; Iris7; Tallguy; Galatians513; ...
Strafer Nose B-25 from the Air Apaches Bomb Group at Oshkosh last year, I think :-)

Pic of guns being fired at night, HOOOAH

Obligatory nose art pic on a TB-25N

YOWSERS

Last one for now, Gotta get to work :-)

Sorry don't have any "H" Model Pics, 75mm Howitzer model handy.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

39 posted on 09/21/2005 11:21:19 AM PDT by alfa6
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To: alfa6

Wow, thanks.


40 posted on 09/21/2005 11:24:19 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Professional Engineer

I'm pretty sure I saw a show about this while it was being searched for. Glad they got her up.


41 posted on 09/21/2005 11:25:17 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: alfa6

Looks like a Lockheed Electra (Howard Hughes round-the-world record holder?) trying to grow up using steroids.

All the right things are almost in the right places, but the bulges and bumps and lumps are slightly wrong.


42 posted on 09/21/2005 1:39:06 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Right you are sir. It was from the Model 14 Electra.

Link here(Hudson )

The US Navy also flew a Lockhhed Electra derivative

This was developed into the PV-1 Ventura

Which was developed into the PV-2 Harpoon

The PV-2 was the end of that line but a new one was started with the P2V Neptune Patrol Bomber.

That's all for now folks, have a great day

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

43 posted on 09/21/2005 2:53:31 PM PDT by alfa6
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To: Moose4; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; Abbeville Conservative; ...

South Carolina Ping

Add me to the ping list. Remove me from the ping list.

44 posted on 09/21/2005 6:22:20 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: alfa6

A handy man special. A little paint, knock out some of those dings and she'll be good as new.


45 posted on 09/21/2005 8:45:52 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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