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After Katrina, stories of gun battles
Reuters ^ | Andy Sullivan

Posted on 09/21/2005 10:49:49 AM PDT by 300magnum

NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - After the storm came the carjackers and burglars. Then came the gun battles and the chemical explosions that shook the restored Victorians in New Orleans' Algiers Point neighborhood.

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"The hurricane was a breeze compared with the crime and terror that followed," said Gregg Harris, a psychotherapist who lives in the battered area.

As life returned to this close-knit neighborhood three weeks after Hurricane Katrina, residents said they hoped their experience could convince political leaders to get serious about the violence and poor services that have long been an unfortunate hallmark of their city.

"I think now it's a wake-up call," Harris said.

After the storm, the neighborhood association had to act as law enforcement and emergency response unit as city services collapsed and the police force was unable to protect them.

Citizens organized armed patrols and checked on the elderly. They slept on their porches with loaded shotguns and bolted awake when intruders stumbled on the aluminum cans they had scattered on the sidewalk.

Gunshots rang out for days, sometimes terrifyingly close.

For Harris, the first warning sign came on Tuesday, the day after the storm, when two young men hit his partner, Vinnie Pervel, over the head and drove off with his Ford van.

"A police car drove up behind me and saw it happening but he didn't do anything," said Pervel, who heads the 1,500-household neighborhood association.

Then residents heard that police vehicles were being carjacked and looters were taking guns and ammunition from nearby stores.

"We thought, 'Perhaps this is going to get really ugly,"' said Gareth Stubbs, a marine surveyor who lives across Pelican Street from Harris and Pervel.

A Texas woman who runs a Web site called Polimom.com served as a link between those who stayed and those who had left. With her help, they stockpiled an arsenal of shotguns, derringer pistols and an old AK-47.

They were put to use the next day.

"Some looters came up and pulled a gun on the wrong group of men," said Harris, who said he did not fire a gun himself and declined to say who else was involved in the battle.

"Two men were shot right there," Harris said, pointing down the street as he watered his rose bushes. "One was shot in the back, the other in the leg, and the third I was told made it a block and a half before he died in the street. I did not go down to see the body."

The next day a nearby stockpile of chemicals exploded, shaking the houses and sending a fireball 300 feet into the sky. The fire burned for another three days, Harris said.

"For five days we didn't need FEMA, the Red Cross or the National Guard," Harris said. "The neighborhood took care of itself."


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1 posted on 09/21/2005 10:49:55 AM PDT by 300magnum
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To: 300magnum

I wonder how many gun battles there will be in Texas after Rita.


2 posted on 09/21/2005 10:50:50 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: 300magnum

OLD WEST PING.


3 posted on 09/21/2005 10:53:15 AM PDT by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: 300magnum

The lesson here is that the first thing you need in your home disaster preparedness kit is a firearm and ammunition because you will be on your own after a disaster.


4 posted on 09/21/2005 10:53:46 AM PDT by PeterFinn (The Holocaust was perfectly legal.)
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To: Brilliant

I think the Texicans are heavily armed and fairly dangerous if/when provoked.


5 posted on 09/21/2005 10:53:46 AM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: 300magnum

There's a lot to be said for '.44 Law.'


6 posted on 09/21/2005 10:54:39 AM PDT by Roccus (BEWARE of stupid people in large numbers.)
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To: 300magnum

This is wonderful example of why firearms are so handy. When the authorities drop the ball, you may discover that Cain is sometimes your neighbor. Anyway, good to see that people looked after themselves, and stuck together.


7 posted on 09/21/2005 10:56:04 AM PDT by Threepwood
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To: PeterFinn

MOST DEFINATELY! Preferably every family member trained and armed if possible. Violence is the only thing the scumbags in our society respect. In fact, get together with your neighbors and try to organize a response team if somehting hits your area. That way, you know someone is watching your back if you are not there.


8 posted on 09/21/2005 10:56:47 AM PDT by highlymotivated (If American ever falls, a STINKING LIBERAL will be behind it.)
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To: Brilliant

that depends on two things (assuming the storm hits as hard as katrina)

1. how many scumbags thugs there are in the damaged area
2. How informed these scumbag thugs are in regards to their "victims'" arsenals.

i don't think the now deceased looters in NO were expecting what they got.


9 posted on 09/21/2005 10:56:57 AM PDT by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: 300magnum

Firearms are indeed extremely useful equipment for free citizens.


10 posted on 09/21/2005 10:57:25 AM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: 300magnum
"A police car drove up behind me and saw it happening but he didn't do anything,"

As long as the rules (or lack thereof) apply to both sides, I'm ok with it.

11 posted on 09/21/2005 10:58:19 AM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: Brilliant

"I wonder how many gun battles there will be in Texas after Rita."


None.
The Texans will keep law and order reguardless.
Just because they own firearms doesnt mean they are animals.


12 posted on 09/21/2005 10:58:22 AM PDT by Havok
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To: 300magnum
big deal. there were gun battles in the streets of NO before katrina. bullets were just less expensive.
13 posted on 09/21/2005 10:59:20 AM PDT by smonk
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To: Brilliant

Actually, E.D.Hill, on Fox & Friends, reminded those fleeing Rita, that many Texans have guns and will shoot back to protect themselves, grinning and winking as she said it. Then nodded her head.


14 posted on 09/21/2005 10:59:29 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Conservomax

Yeah. I live in Orlando. We had two hurricanes last year--got hit pretty hard. It never even occurred to me throughout the entire thing that looters, rapists, or violent criminals might be a problem.


15 posted on 09/21/2005 10:59:43 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Havok

Ever been to SE Houston?


16 posted on 09/21/2005 10:59:59 AM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: 300magnum

They love to play Cowboys and Looters.


17 posted on 09/21/2005 11:00:45 AM PDT by Concho
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To: 300magnum

When it comes down to it, you are on your own, and must provide your own security. Here in earthquake country, plenty of ammo is a given. Curious how defensive arms never seem to get mentioned in "official" earthquake kit lists.

Oh, that's right, just dial 911........./sarc


18 posted on 09/21/2005 11:00:52 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: 300magnum

I heard that more deaths in Katrina resulted from violence than drowning.


19 posted on 09/21/2005 11:00:59 AM PDT by MattinNJ (Allen/Pawlenty in 08-play the map.)
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To: 300magnum

Ah, continuing to learn ... hold back some aluminum cans from the recycle bin as part of the emergency kit.


20 posted on 09/21/2005 11:01:44 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: 300magnum

"Ever been to SE Houston?"

Actually, no.
I might be wrong now that I think about it.
Is it a city full of scum?


21 posted on 09/21/2005 11:03:30 AM PDT by Havok
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To: 300magnum
C'mon. None of this happened. A bunch of professors said so.
22 posted on 09/21/2005 11:03:50 AM PDT by untenured (http://futureuncertain.blogspot.com)
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To: doorgunner69
Oh, that's right, just dial 911........./sarc
here.. let me fix that. in case of emergency, "just dial 1911"
23 posted on 09/21/2005 11:06:25 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: 300magnum

And the Liberals say we shouldn't have the right own firearms? And the Second Amendment is old and antiquated and not needed anymore because the government will protect us?

Yeah, right!


24 posted on 09/21/2005 11:06:36 AM PDT by dhs12345 (w)
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To: Havok

I heard it's not a good idea to be in that area after the sun sets.


25 posted on 09/21/2005 11:08:06 AM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: 300magnum; All

All these type of reports simply add to the confirmation of the real problem in Louisiana during and after Katrina - horrible local and state leaders and the residue of the "government plantation society".©TomPainter


26 posted on 09/21/2005 11:08:09 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: 300magnum

You are right.
I have packed for years, and never needed it. But it is there, always. And no one should challenge me to see if I will or I won't. I will...to protect my family, property, the young, the ill and the infirm.

Semper Fi! Death to Terrorists (foreign or home grown) Looters and Carjackers included!
Waitin' on Ritaaaaaaaaaaaa!


27 posted on 09/21/2005 11:08:49 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: 300magnum

It surely does not speak well for the criminal "justice" system, when the only time that justice is meted out effectively (no parole board will turn these people loose again), is when the authorities are totally absent from the scene. Maybe they should get out of the way more often.


28 posted on 09/21/2005 11:08:50 AM PDT by David Isaac
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To: 300magnum; Squantos; Eaker

I think the Texicans are heavily armed and fairly dangerous if/when provoked


They're talking about us.


29 posted on 09/21/2005 11:12:00 AM PDT by TEXASPROUD
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To: Brilliant
"Yeah. I live in Orlando. We had two hurricanes last year--got hit pretty hard. It never even occurred to me throughout the entire thing that looters, rapists, or violent criminals might be a problem."

I live in Polk County right were Charley, Frances and Jeanne crossed paths. We had no looting, either.

An armed society is a polite society.
30 posted on 09/21/2005 11:12:22 AM PDT by DocRock (Osama said, "We love death, the U.S. loves life, that is the main difference between us.")
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To: David Isaac

Our justice system has turned into a business. Judges and lawyers out to make a fortune.


31 posted on 09/21/2005 11:16:18 AM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: All

Did y'all see this article from last week?

From San Francisco, no less!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1484191/posts

(link to original: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2005/09/14/cstillwell.DTL )


32 posted on 09/21/2005 11:16:56 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: NonValueAdded
Ah, continuing to learn ... hold back some aluminum cans from the recycle bin as part of the emergency kit...

Yeah, I made note of that too. May also want to add some fishing line to loosely tie them together with, and to tangle it around so as to decrease the chances of them being able to avoid jingling the cans.

Also, get a good dog that'll bark when people come on the property. Mine is useless that way - she's a very sweet and elderly yellow Lab who I often have to go in and wake up when I come home.

LQ

33 posted on 09/21/2005 11:18:00 AM PDT by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: Concho

These hurricanes are one of, if the THE STRONGEST arguments against so called assault weapons bans.

If I am stuck in a neighborhood running wild with gun toting thugs stealing everything in sight, I want an AK-47, an AR-15, or an FN-FAL.

It's just fair...you know?

Right now, I have two high capacity handguns,a 357 revolver, two shotguns, and a high powered rifle. Now, I need more shotgun shells, 45acp and 9mm ammo.

In the coming months I will shop for a Bushmaster M-4 style rifle or one of the many semi auto versions of the AK-47. I think I want the folding stock model, in case I need to hide it on the way out of town.

Ammo is cheap at Wal Mart, Dick's Sporting goods, and other discount stores. It doesn't cost a lot to buy a couple of boxes each month.

Have you folks stocked up?


34 posted on 09/21/2005 11:20:11 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Cindy Sheehan, American Traitor)
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To: Armedanddangerous

Yes, but I am considering boosting .223's


35 posted on 09/21/2005 11:22:51 AM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: TEXASPROUD

Yes, they are.


36 posted on 09/21/2005 11:24:41 AM PDT by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: GW and Twins Pawpaw

I dont buy my ammo by the box.

I buy it by the case. Why pay $20 for a box of 20 when you can pay $100 for a box of 1000?

To defend your home and your family, you actually dont need anything but a good old 12ga pump and a big bucket of buckshot.


37 posted on 09/21/2005 11:35:10 AM PDT by Concho
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To: Concho

I have more than a case of 9mm from Y2K, and need a case of 45acp. I'm thinking of a high capacity 45 auto for such occasions. I had the Glock 21, but it was even too large for me, and I like 1911s.

I agree on the shotgun point. I want to get at least one more 870 to put ghost ring sights and a surefire light on it for taking out of the house. A couple of guys with shotguns backed up with a good rifleman on the roof with even a 50 year old 7mm Mauser could discourage looters very well.


38 posted on 09/21/2005 11:42:19 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Cindy Sheehan, American Traitor)
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To: Brilliant
I wonder how many gun battles there will be in Texas after Rita

The answer is most likely zero. People in Texas already know what would happen to you if you pulled the same stunts that were done by the thugs in N.O.

As people stock water and food, they also clean their rifles.

39 posted on 09/21/2005 11:49:10 AM PDT by Jalapeno
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To: 300magnum

I am told that a fair number of bad guys in New Orleans mysteriously drowned. Many with holes in them.


40 posted on 09/21/2005 11:49:10 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Brilliant
I wonder how many gun battles there will be in Texas after Rita

The answer is most likely zero. People in Texas already know what would happen to you if you pulled the same stunts that were done by the thugs in N.O.

As people stock water and food, they also clean their rifles.

41 posted on 09/21/2005 11:49:10 AM PDT by Jalapeno
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To: Jalapeno

If there are any casualties there, they most likely will be gangstas from NOLA who didnt learn the first time.


42 posted on 09/21/2005 11:55:37 AM PDT by Concho
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To: Disambiguator

Cinnamon Stillwell is a good conservative writer. I think about the only one that works for the Chronicle.

I think she might have a FR handle too.


43 posted on 09/21/2005 11:56:47 AM PDT by Betis70 (Every generation needs a new revolution)
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To: TEXASPROUD; Eaker; humblegunner; Shooter 2.5; Jeff Head

Enemies of the constitution wear many different uniforms and hold many offices with the plan to subvert such liberties and rights under the shadow of authority under emergency conditions.

Lots of people say they'll do this or that until they actually are in such a situation and then yeild to the implied threat or show of force. Talk is cheap, actions are expensive. The cost of freedom is high. I like what I have, expensive or not, and have no intention of being robbed of family, freedoms or firearms earned at great cost over time.

Hopefully sheeple, polidiots, presstitutes, DOD , LEO's etc have learned from Chief Compass's and Mayor Nagins follies and this won't happen again...

Just my opinion.....Stay Safe !


44 posted on 09/21/2005 12:00:41 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Armedanddangerous
Right now, I have two high capacity handguns,a 357 revolver, two shotguns, and a high powered rifle. Now, I need more shotgun shells, 45acp and 9mm ammo.

After reading the beginning of this thread, I drove over to my dealer and ordered a Taurus .38SP titanium DAO snubbie and a Rem 870 Express 20g.

After watching the animals of Katrina and wondering how people will fare during Rita, I decided that it's simply unwise to be unarmed, especially in a semi-urban/suburban area.

I pick up both of them next week.

45 posted on 09/21/2005 2:18:10 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

Tell me about the taurus. How much was it? I am kind of interested in one of those super airweight snubbies, although I am inclined toward the 357 version. I know Smith makes a scandium 357 snubbie.

Get plenty of shotgun shells..at least ten boxes.


46 posted on 09/21/2005 6:18:02 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Cindy Sheehan, American Traitor)
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To: Armedanddangerous

I'm getting the Taurus Ultralight for $350 off of the consignment shelf (in good shape), retail price new is $450+, and it's less than the $600 for an equivalent new S&W Airweight.

Also looked at the Airweight but I didn't like the trigger pull which is about 12 lbs, while the Taurus is about 8-9 lbs.

Had a Ruger SP101 snubbie in the past, .357 Mag. I wasn't pleased with it because I couldn't find a hollowpoint round which would mushroom properly, I suppose because it couldn't generate enough muzzle velocity in a 2-inch barrel, but not sure. Otherwise I liked the SP101 (but of course it's heavier than the titanium frames).

Some models of both the Taurus and the S&W are chambered for both .357 and .38.

But this time I'll just stick with .38 SPL +P. That'll do the trick.


47 posted on 09/22/2005 2:11:35 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Brilliant

Actually I counted 3. Charley, Frances, and Jeanne. In my neighborhood every household is heavily armed.


48 posted on 09/22/2005 2:35:21 AM PDT by jslade ("If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried." (Seminole Cty, FL))
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