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New Vatican Rule Said to Bar Gays as New Priests
NYTimes ^ | September 22, 2005 | IAN FISHER and LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Posted on 09/21/2005 8:51:04 PM PDT by I8NY

ROME, Sept. 21 - Homosexuals, even those who are celibate, will be barred from becoming Roman Catholic priests, a church official said Wednesday, under stricter rules soon to be released on one of the most sensitive issues facing the church.

The official, said the question was not "if it will be published, but when," referring to the new ruling about homosexuality in Catholic seminaries, a topic that has stirred much recent rumor and worry in the church. The official, who has authoritative knowledge of the new rules, spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the church's policy of not commenting on unpublished reports.

He said that while Pope Benedict XVI had not yet signed the document, it would probably be released in the next six weeks.

In addition to the new document, which will apply to the church worldwide, Vatican investigators have been instructed to visit each of the 229 seminaries in the United States.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; celibacy; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; religion; seminaries
I'm not going to say a word.
1 posted on 09/21/2005 8:51:13 PM PDT by I8NY
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To: I8NY

Oh, I'm sorry. Thought I read something about gay bars.


2 posted on 09/21/2005 8:52:36 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and Ye shall find.)
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To: jimfree

You beat me to it! Rats!


3 posted on 09/21/2005 8:53:18 PM PDT by NonLinear (He's dead, Jim)
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To: I8NY

About time...


4 posted on 09/21/2005 8:54:44 PM PDT by brivette
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To: I8NY

Since Pope Benedict took over:

The Cafeteria is Closed.
The Gay Bar is Closed.


5 posted on 09/21/2005 8:54:44 PM PDT by dfwgator (Flower Mound, TX)
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To: I8NY

I will. This is a NEW rule?

Just damn.


6 posted on 09/21/2005 8:56:15 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: I8NY

How dare the Catholic Church act all,,,,well,,,,Catholic. Go figure.


7 posted on 09/21/2005 8:57:29 PM PDT by kb2614 ("Speaking Truth to Power" - What idiots say when they want to sound profound!!)
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To: dfwgator

Now we get to work on some of the jammed "windows" Pope John XXIII left open.


8 posted on 09/21/2005 8:58:50 PM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: I8NY

about dang time...


9 posted on 09/21/2005 8:59:28 PM PDT by BizzeeMom
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To: clee1
This is a NEW rule?

There was an advisory previously. If this turns into more than that, yes, it is new.

10 posted on 09/21/2005 9:00:22 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: NonLinear

LOL. I don't often get to be first.


11 posted on 09/21/2005 9:00:42 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and Ye shall find.)
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To: I8NY

I don't think any of the gay priests out there did any advertising upon entering the seminary. It's good the Pope is saying that it's no longer ok to look the other way when it comes to this.


12 posted on 09/21/2005 9:02:06 PM PDT by Just Lori (There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life. - Frank Zappa)
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To: clee1
This is a NEW rule?

No. Not even close. But, there will be no more looking the other way.

13 posted on 09/21/2005 9:03:02 PM PDT by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: I8NY
Amen. This will go a long way toward eradicating future sexual abuse scandals by priests. Liberals don't like to face this, but the vast majority of the abusive priests did NOT fit the definition of "pedophile." Pedophilia involves "pre-pubescent" children - most of the boys who were victims did NOT fit that description.

This blight on the history of The Church was caused by homosexuals who took advantage of their positions of authority to lure and abuse adolescent and young men. Sickening, and I praise the Lord for this demonstration of courage on the part of His Holiness, our new Pope.

14 posted on 09/21/2005 9:03:51 PM PDT by PLK
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To: I8NY

And this is a big surprise to the Slimes ?


15 posted on 09/21/2005 9:04:39 PM PDT by Deetes (God Bless the Troops and their Families)
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To: I8NY




The Vatican is opening a Gay Bar for Priests????


16 posted on 09/21/2005 9:05:45 PM PDT by msnimje (Cogito Ergo Sum Republican)
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To: I8NY

And this is a big surprise to the Slimes ?


17 posted on 09/21/2005 9:06:11 PM PDT by Deetes (God Bless the Troops and their Families)
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Finally, enforcement of the 2 February 1961 ban.

Advancement to religious vows and ordination should be barred to those who are afflicted with evil tendencies to homosexuality or pederasty, since for them the common life and the priestly ministry would constitute serious dangers.

18 posted on 09/21/2005 9:59:17 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: I8NY
Vatican to Start U.S. Seminary Evaluations
Apostolic Seminary Visitation To Begin This Fall
U.S. Bishops to Begin Inspecting Seminaries
Prelate Says Gays Shouldn't Be Ordained
American overseeing Vatican evaluation of US seminaries says gays should not be ordained

Vatican to Check U.S. Seminaries on Gay Presence
POPE APPROVES BARRING GAY SEMINARIANS
Pope bans homosexuals from ordination as priests
Questions Arise Over Seminary Inspections
New Vatican Rule Said to Bar Gays as New Priests

19 posted on 09/21/2005 10:04:28 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: I8NY

NYT is very slow here.


20 posted on 09/21/2005 10:04:49 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Absolutely last pingothenight. Another article - from the NYSlimes - about no more homosexuals in the seminiaries. Don't know if there are more details than in other articles, but in the interest of completeness, here it is.

So investigators are going to go to all the seminaries. Let's hope that the investigators are all okay themselves, and have their wits about them! Good going, guys.

Freemail me AND DirtyHarryY2K if you want on/off this pinglist.


21 posted on 09/21/2005 10:11:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: dfwgator

LOL!


22 posted on 09/21/2005 10:12:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: I8NY

liberals still control the seminaries..homosexuals just have to lie to get in and libs will cover for them..this is all about trying to bring down the catholic church..these libs don't care about kids,souls or anything but bringing the church into the lib point of view..why do you think fems want to be priests???so,they can tell catholics its o.k to kill babies,especially minority ones...


23 posted on 09/21/2005 10:37:04 PM PDT by fishbabe
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To: I8NY

If I said it once I've said it a thousand times.

The liberal idea that allowed gays in seminary was this:

"If they are attracted to men or women it doesn't matter because they are celibate"

In liberal theory it sounds good, but the simple fact is that gays have higher rates of mental health problems and are different in every imaginable way from 'straight' priests.


24 posted on 09/21/2005 11:24:02 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: I8NY

It would make more sense, and be a more positive step to eliminate child-molesting, to require individuals entering the priesthood to be neutered.


25 posted on 09/22/2005 12:02:52 AM PDT by punster
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To: I8NY

Boy, this'll get their panties in a wad, so to speak...


26 posted on 09/22/2005 12:06:59 AM PDT by Siouxz ( Freepers are the best!!!)
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To: I8NY

The sensible thing to do would be to stop barring heterosexuals.


27 posted on 09/22/2005 4:00:44 AM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: tkathy

LOL. Last I heard, though, first-world straight males weren't exactly beating down the doors to the seminaries.


28 posted on 09/22/2005 1:51:14 PM PDT by I8NY
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Many gays come from highly dysfunctional families. Once upon a time, a man who wanted to be considered for the seminary had to come from an intact family - divorce was not okay, nor was a situation of family problems such as alcoholism, domestic violence, etc. Back in those days, of course, the pastor actually knew his parishioners, and had to write a letter of recommendation (or not) for the candidate in question.

Also, a lot of boys went into minor seminary when they were fairly young, a system that had both good and bad points. I think the bad point was mainly that sort of nicey-nice but not very smart boys got moved onto the fast track and ended up as the current crop of weak - not necessarily immoral, but clearly at sea - bishops.


29 posted on 09/22/2005 1:56:29 PM PDT by livius
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

PLUS: if a seminarian is attracted to men, how is he going to remain celibate if he lives with men?!


30 posted on 09/22/2005 1:57:51 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
In liberal theory it sounds good, but the simple fact is that gays have higher rates of mental health problems and are different in every imaginable way from 'straight' priests.

I'd like to see some statistics on this. Not saying you're wrong, but, since you made the statement, I suspect you've got the data to back it up.

31 posted on 09/22/2005 2:08:16 PM PDT by sinkspur (Just west of DFW Airport. We can take in four or five and two dogs.)
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