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Bush: Weak terror response led to 9/11 (Bush hits back at Clinton)
UPI ^ | 9/22/05

Posted on 09/22/2005 12:50:55 PM PDT by Uncle Joe Cannon

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To: Soul Seeker
He also made a mention to something he saw on television --

Guess that puts all the "he's stupid, doesn't read a paper or watch TV (Scarborough) people in their place, too!

151 posted on 09/22/2005 2:07:47 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

About Blessed time!


152 posted on 09/22/2005 2:09:29 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (Tampa Bay, Home of the Stanley Cup Champions The Tampa Bay Lightning!)
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To: JellyJam

normally a president should not have to. but he has been so poorly served by the white house political and communications apparatus, that this is what it comes to sometimes.

while he's at it - I recommend to him that he re-assign Scott McClellan to pumping duties in new orleans.


153 posted on 09/22/2005 2:10:14 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: KevinDavis
The lack of any real response from the Reagan administration to the Marine Barracks bombing has never been made perfectly clear. There are many reasons for why it happened and why no serious military action was undertaken. Cap Weinberger was a good defense secretary and Reagan trusted him. My opinion. The entire MNF in Beruit at that time was left in an untenable position. They weren't even allowed to carry loaded weapons.

"In his September 2001 FRONTLINE interview, Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger said the U.S. still lacks "actual knowledge of who did the bombing" of the Marine barracks. But it suspected Hezbollah, believed to be supported in part by Iran and Syria. Hezbollah denied its involvement.

The president assembled his national security team to devise a plan of military action. The planned target was the Sheik Abdullah barracks in Baalbek, Lebanon, which housed Iranian Revolutionary Guards believed to be training Hezbollah fighters. Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger aborted the mission, reportedly because of his concerns that it would harm U.S. relations with other Arab nations.

154 posted on 09/22/2005 2:11:37 PM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure the borders;punish employers who hire illegals;halt all welfare handouts to illegals.)
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To: Mo1

:)


155 posted on 09/22/2005 2:11:41 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: hophead; jveritas

He has said so many things that are too subtly nuanced,
but yes, he has said these things0 with different words-now he's speaking plain English.

He just dropped kicked the diplomatically shaded PC ball today. And it's about time. He's been far too generous with the enemy here at home.

Karl Rove, I hope you're taking notes.


156 posted on 09/22/2005 2:12:54 PM PDT by freema (Ready to Rock AND Roll)
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To: jveritas

Examples linked please????


157 posted on 09/22/2005 2:13:06 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: oceanview
I recommend to him that he re-assign Scott McClellan to pumping duties in new orleans.

I don't care if it's New Orleans or a San Francisco bath house, but he needs to be assigned "pumping duties" somewhere besides the WH Press Room.

He is too weak for even those morons in the press room.

158 posted on 09/22/2005 2:14:51 PM PDT by Chuck54 (Confirm justice Roberts!)
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To: PatriotGirl827

Barely.


159 posted on 09/22/2005 2:15:37 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Troubled by NOLA looting ? You ain't seen nothing yet.)
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To: tiki; Lazamataz

OOOOOOOOOOOHRAH!


160 posted on 09/22/2005 2:16:28 PM PDT by freema (Ready to Rock AND Roll)
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To: KevinDavis

"So In Reagans defense I don't think he could gone after Syria since they where an ally of the Soviets.."

Reagan did have one of the battleships (USS New Jersey perhaps?) hurl volkswagon sized shells at the Syrians. It wasn't enough but it was something.


161 posted on 09/22/2005 2:17:16 PM PDT by takbodan (.)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

Finally!


162 posted on 09/22/2005 2:17:56 PM PDT by krunkygirl
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To: KevinDavis

Agree.


163 posted on 09/22/2005 2:18:06 PM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: cyncooper

I could have sworn is was sarcasm.


164 posted on 09/22/2005 2:19:02 PM PDT by freema (Ready to Rock AND Roll)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

Please see my post # 73.


165 posted on 09/22/2005 2:19:36 PM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

It's about time he got some stones! Now don't stop there, I wanna see some shots at Kennedy, Boxer, Reid, Pelosi, ALGore(one word), John Fing Kerry and all the rest of those a$$holes.


166 posted on 09/22/2005 2:20:04 PM PDT by SMM48
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To: Doc Savage

Better, even, than your namesake might say it...Yes!


167 posted on 09/22/2005 2:20:59 PM PDT by krunkygirl
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

4yrs too late, but I'll take it. This should be repeated in each of his remaining State of the Union addresses and every time he speaks to the American people.

EVERY TIME


168 posted on 09/22/2005 2:21:31 PM PDT by jw777
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

About damn time he said that!


169 posted on 09/22/2005 2:22:20 PM PDT by texasmountainman (proud father of a U.S. Marine)
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To: 2banana

Ref: <<""'The terrorists saw our response to the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings in the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa and the attack on the USS Cole,' Bush said. 'The terrorists concluded that we lacked the courage and character to defend ourselves and so they attacked us.' >>

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170 posted on 09/22/2005 2:23:25 PM PDT by RamingtonStall (More Guns ==> Less Crime! Get your CHL today! http://www.ohioccw.org/)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

Just Wow! Tell 'em Mr. President. They need to be reminded day after day after day after day..........


171 posted on 09/22/2005 2:27:40 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Never misunderestimate the strategery of forty-three)
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To: skeeter
Tough to argue with that. But I'm sure the 'toon will, and with gusto.

Yep, Clintoon's definitely an expert in lack of courage and character.

172 posted on 09/22/2005 2:27:54 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: All

Someone who knows how (I don't! Sorry.) Please send a link to this thread to the White House.


173 posted on 09/22/2005 2:31:30 PM PDT by krunkygirl
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To: freema

Okay, I'll just say HOORAY!!!!!!! I'm not a Marine anyway.


174 posted on 09/22/2005 2:31:56 PM PDT by tiki
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To: 2banana

SMACK!!


175 posted on 09/22/2005 2:32:19 PM PDT by RockinRight (What part of ILLEGAL immigration do they not understand?)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

Got any video of this???


176 posted on 09/22/2005 2:32:31 PM PDT by RockinRight (What part of ILLEGAL immigration do they not understand?)
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To: popdonnelly

Thanks to President Bush for stating what should be obvious, and evidently isn't.
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DITTO.


177 posted on 09/22/2005 2:35:25 PM PDT by LucyJo ("I have overcome the world." "Abide in Me." (John 16:33; 15:4)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

Excellent, and George Bush should do lots more of this.


178 posted on 09/22/2005 2:35:52 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

I heard Dick Morris interviewed the other day and he was saying that he thought GWB had finally "got it" after the latest 'toon diatribe on the Sunday shows and wasn't going to stand for this cr*p anymore. Good to see he was right.


179 posted on 09/22/2005 2:41:25 PM PDT by Redneck Limey
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon
'The terrorists saw our response to the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings in the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa and the attack on the USS Cole,' Bush said. 'The terrorists concluded that we lacked the courage and character to defend ourselves and so they attacked us.'

These words, coming from the President bear repeating. ;o)
180 posted on 09/22/2005 2:41:52 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Never misunderestimate the strategery of forty-three)
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To: steve-b

"The Beirut bombing (and failure to properly respond to it) happened on Reagan's watch. Admiration for his overall record shouldn't blind you to the fact that sometimes he blew it."

Oh that is true, a lot of fine Marines died that day, something like 200.


181 posted on 09/22/2005 2:43:19 PM PDT by quantfive
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To: elbucko

"but the damage has been done. I hope not for the upcomming elections."

A Dem is probably going to be the next POTUS. People do not forget being gouged by energy companies for two years. Remember the recession in 1991 and the election? We got Clinton.


182 posted on 09/22/2005 2:45:27 PM PDT by quantfive
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To: jveritas

Granted that the most important visible enemy at that time was communism and the Soviet Union and President Reagan greatest achievement was the destruction of the Soviet Union, but ignoring the threat of islamic terrorism then was a strategic mistake and the beast have grown so much from 1983 to 2001 and no one have seriously dealt with terrorism until we got hit on 9/11 and we went to war against islamic terrorism. A war that we are winning and we will eventually achieve the final victory thanks to the bravery of our military and the great leadership of President Bush."

Well put.


183 posted on 09/22/2005 2:46:27 PM PDT by quantfive
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon
Just love it when that rope snaps tight and BJ does the hangman's dance!! Beautiful comeback.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters

184 posted on 09/22/2005 2:47:43 PM PDT by bray (Pray for the Freedom of the Iraqis from Islam)
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To: Soul Seeker

"When did this happen."

It happened in 1983 in Beruit, Lebanon. 200+ Marines dies by a suicide truck bomber that rammed into the barracks and detonated. I am wondering if Reagan did not respond, because of a weaker military from the Carter days. As someone else pointed out, we did bomb the crap out of Libya in 1987. By then we had really beefed up the military with the biggest spending surge in history.


185 posted on 09/22/2005 2:49:57 PM PDT by quantfive
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To: quantfive

You don't listen to, or at least don't believe, Rush Limbaugh's dead-on point, that the Energy Companies don't run their own businesses...the Federal Government runs them more than they do. Tells them where they cannot drill, allows envirowackos to stop Oil Refineries, stop Nuclear Power Plants, tells them how many different fuel blends they have to make in order to satisfy EPA rules in different cities and regions...I think the number is up to 44 different blends now, and I could go on and on and on. Rush is right. Oh, and I forgot TAXES on the product. Did someone mention GOUGING? As in, by the Federal Government due more to Dems than anyone, although RINO Northeastern Republicans are also to blame?


186 posted on 09/22/2005 2:52:33 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: 2banana

Ref: <<""'The terrorists saw our response to the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings in the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa and the attack on the USS Cole,' Bush said. 'The terrorists concluded that we lacked the courage and character to defend ourselves and so they attacked us.' >>

Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia!
......Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia!

................Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia!
.............................Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia!

RamS


187 posted on 09/22/2005 3:04:32 PM PDT by RamingtonStall (More Guns ==> Less Crime! Get your CHL today! http://www.ohioccw.org/)
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To: doug from upland
IT IS ABOUT FREAKING TIME!

AMEN! I hope this plays on the nightly news.

188 posted on 09/22/2005 3:07:20 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

I wonder if the Clinton's will respond?


189 posted on 09/22/2005 3:08:09 PM PDT by texianyankee
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To: txrangerette; All

Also the fact that the Democrats for years have been pressing for high gas prices for years. I heard on Rush that Clinton was glad that the gas prices went through the roof.


190 posted on 09/22/2005 3:08:52 PM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles --> http://www.cafepress.com/kevinspace1)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

Uncle Joe,

Our President is not only hitting back at Clintoon, but he is also making reference to Reagan's lack of balls in Lebanon. Sure the New Jersey lobbed a few 16 inchers into hills of Lebanon in "retaliation" for the bombing at the US Marine barracks; but anything previous to Bush's response to September 11, can be construed as ineffective - going back to Munich in 1972.


191 posted on 09/22/2005 3:09:43 PM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam 1970. Forget? Hell.)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon
Great President Bush!! This needs to be said again and again! Watching that 911 special a few weeks back, I was shocked to learn what emboldened Bin Laden to go ahead with the 911 attacks,was Clinton's weak or, ( no response,) to numerous attacks in the 90's. Somalia, the Cole,1993 WTC. etc.!I am so glad Bush stated this today for all the Micheal Moores,Cindy Shehans,and Phil Donahues, of the world to know. We will not retreat, we will not falter ,and we will not fail! Go W!
192 posted on 09/22/2005 3:10:41 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon
Laura must have given him permission to be less than 100% graceful in dealing with his political foes.
I simply love the message he is sending about cleaning up Carter and Clinton's mess.
193 posted on 09/22/2005 3:11:24 PM PDT by msnimje (Cogito Ergo Sum Republican)
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To: jveritas

Didn't we essentially "cut and run" after the marine barracks attack in Lebanon? At least that is the way I remember it. Was President Bush just trying to stress the "stay the course" attitude?


194 posted on 09/22/2005 3:12:23 PM PDT by LayoutGuru2 (Know the difference between honoring diversity and honoring perversity? No? You must be a liberal!)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

If there is a clip of this it may be shown on Brit's show on now.


195 posted on 09/22/2005 3:13:50 PM PDT by msnimje (Cogito Ergo Sum Republican)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

'The terrorists saw our response to the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings in the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa and the attack on the USS Cole,' Bush said. 'The terrorists concluded that we lacked the courage and character to defend ourselves and so they attacked us.'

A well deserved SMACK DOWN to that wussy Clinton and the party he represents!


Also I think this was on CSPAN so we may be able to get the video


196 posted on 09/22/2005 3:15:20 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon
'The terrorists saw our response to the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings in the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa and the attack on the USS Cole,' Bush said. 'The terrorists concluded that we lacked the courage and character to defend ourselves and so they attacked us.'

OK, W, so what exactly did you do to remedy the situation during the eight months you were in office prior to 9/11? I do seem to recall some pious talk of "humility" during the 2000 presidential debates coming from you. Oh, and then there was the kissing up to the ChiComs in April 2001 when they took down one of our military planes and got every last bit of intel they could out of it before shipping it back to us in boxes. I'm sure that struck fear and dread into the hearts of the terrorists.

197 posted on 09/22/2005 3:19:02 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

Well I'll be. Way to swing back, Mr. President. Nothing wrong with stating the truth!


198 posted on 09/22/2005 3:24:10 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: inquest

Oh that's right. I forgot that Bush was supposed to cure 8 years of problems in 8 months.


199 posted on 09/22/2005 3:27:21 PM PDT by rintense
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To: quantfive

My question was rhetorical.

It was to point out Reagan was included in this assessment of what actions led to premise we would retreat when under attack by terrorists.

But I don't really hold Reagan to blame in the sense I do Clinton or Carter, though by rights it must be mentioned because the intent is to be honest not partisan.

The fact is that all President's that have served are simply men and our Government is not all powerful. With knowledge the world is not very helpful on par with dealing with threats, we're often alone in a greater sense then we like. The greater threat must be assessed. For Reagan, that threat was considered communism. Forty years before that it was fascism (nazi's). Today it is Islamic fanatics.

We can view the threats about us and make an educated guess as to what it will be next. I'm sure in future we'll look back and think, if we only had dealt with it now. But there is only so much as can do at one time.

The only way I would hold Reagan in disgust were if he a) was incompetant b) avoided threats. Carter and Clinton.

And I'll hold the same standard for G.W.B. If it should be determined 40 years from now a threat could have been stopped in its infancy now under his watch, he'll get the same pass I give Reagan because his hands are full with the greater threat of the day. I'll certainly acknowledge the facts, of course, but disgust is held in reserve for people unable or unwilling to deal with Threats.


200 posted on 09/22/2005 3:28:32 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Barbour/Honore in '08)
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