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Bush Immigration Pick Criticized
Newsmax | September 22, 2005 | Newsmax

Posted on 09/22/2005 2:19:27 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Julie Myers is 36 years old, a lawyer and a political appointee to the Bush administration with limited executive experience.

Yet, she is slated to become head of one of the nation's most critical security-related agencies, the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE), part of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

The Myers appointment, in the wake of FEMA's disastrous handling of the Katrina Hurricane and the resignation of its chief, Michael Brown, has people from both sides of the political aisle raising hackles.

"The Bush administration has barely rebounded from the resignation of horse show organizer Michael ‘Heck of a job' Brown from FEMA, and yet is pushing forward with the nomination of another inexperienced bureaucrat to a key post at the Department of Homeland Security," conservative syndicated columnist Michelle Malkin railed in an article out this week.

Despite the obvious résumé problems, the Bush administration is not likely to back down on the appointment.

Myers' uncle is none other than the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Richard B. Myers.

And Myers' husband is DHS chief Michael Chertoff's current chief of staff, John F. Wood.

Great contacts, but "what exactly are the 36-year-old lawyer's main credentials to solve ... dire national security problems?" asks Malkin in her op-head piece.

"Zip, Nada, Nil," answers Malkin.

Some lawmakers on Capitol Hill are also worried that tapping the relatively inexperienced Myers may engender down the pike another debacle like that of Katrina fall-guy Michael D. Brown, the recently resigned head of Homeland Security's Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

At a Senate hearing last week, rumblings over Myers were apparent, according to the Washington Post, with Sen. George V. Voinovich, R-Ohio, at one point baldly concluding that Myers' résumé indicated that she is "not qualified for the position."

Voinovich further announced at the time that he wanted to meet with Chertoff to discuss Myers' qualifications. "I'd really like to have him spend some time with us, telling us personally why he thinks you're qualified for the job..."

Part of that highly scrutinized résumé indicates that Julie L. Myers was nominated by President Bush on June 26, 2003, and confirmed by the Senate on October 17, 2003, to serve as the assistant secretary for Export Enforcement at the Department of Commerce.

During her brief tenure in her Commerce position, Myers was responsible for developing and coordinating the Department's efforts to prevent, and where necessary, sanction violations of U.S. dual-use export control laws and the anti-boycott provisions of the Export Administration Act.

She also managed Commerce Special Agents who work at eight field offices in the United States, and oversaw the Export Enforcement's international attache program.

At Commerce, Myers oversaw just 170 federal employees and managed a budget of $25 million. In her new job heading up ICE, Myers will be expected to manage more than 20,000 employees and a $4 billion budget.

The White House has been emphasizing that Myers' role in sanctioning violations of U.S. dual-use export control laws and the anti-boycott provisions of the Export Administration Act represents solid law enforcement experience.

As Erin Healy, a White House spokeswoman, told the Washington Post: "She's well-known and respected throughout the law enforcement community ... She has a proven track record as an effective manager."

Prior to joining the Department of Commerce, Myers served as the chief of staff of the Criminal Division for then-assistant attorney general Michael Chertoff at the Department of Justice.

Before that, she served as the deputy assistant secretary for Money Laundering and Financial Crimes at the Department of Treasury. She also worked as an Assistant United States Attorney in the Eastern District of New York and as an Associate Independent Counsel in the Office of Independent Counsel for Kenneth W. Starr.

"I realize that I'm not 80 years old," Myers testified recently on Capitol Hill. "I have a few gray hairs, more coming, but I will seek to work with those who are knowledgeable in this area, who know more than I do."

Malkin couldn't let that nugget slide without comment: "Please, spare us the not-so-clever rejoinders about age and wisdom. Reagan could pull them off. Myers can't. Why hire someone who needs to ‘seek to work' with those ‘who know more than I do' in order to her job?"

After Sept. 11, Immigration, then a Justice Dept. agency, was heavily criticized for failing to stop many of the al Qaida hijackers from entering the U.S. or having them deported, as many of them were here illegally.

Malkin says Myers' appointment in light of Sept. 11 is worrisome.

"Myers may be perfectly capable of writing legal briefs and organizing policy conferences," Malkin writes. "I'm sure her knowledge of export controls is second to none. But as long as the borders are broken and al Qaida continues to exploit lax immigration enforcement, she has no business heading ICE - or any other DHS agency."

The head of ICE is required by statute to have at least five years of experience in both law enforcement and management. That requirement alone spells a world of difference between Myers and Brown, the latter having joined FEMA with no experience in disaster preparedness.

But the experience factor aside, Myers has yet another headache in the works. Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., is threatening to use legislative delaying tactics against Myers' nomination - until he receives a secret FBI memo about terror suspect interrogations that he's been seeking for months, according to the Associated Press.

At the heart of Levin's issue is a heavily abridged May 2004 e-mail from FBI agents seeking guidance about questioning terror suspects held at Guantanamo Bay.

As far back as February, Democratic senators were asking for an unedited version of the memo to see if it mentioned or involved Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who headed the Justice Department's criminal division from 2001 to 2003.

However, the Justice Department has consistently nixed the request, saying the memos contain "information covered by the Privacy Act," and had nothing to do with Chertoff.

Myers was Chertoff's chief of staff at the time.


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Perhaps someone with more experience related to illegal immigration would be nice...
1 posted on 09/22/2005 2:19:45 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; alisasny; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; Angelwood; aristeides; Askel5; ...

PING!

I love exposing our government's shenanigans!


2 posted on 09/22/2005 2:21:17 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, grow up!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
This woman may not be qualified. But the dummycrats have no room to complain.

What about Warren Christopher and George Tenet?

The need to apologize for those people first.

Another question. What gives Malkin the moral and scholastic authority to question Myer's qualifications?
3 posted on 09/22/2005 2:23:11 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

She's a bureaucrat and that's all she needs to be. I suspect she's probably going to be good, simply because I have seen so many people here on FR trashing her right from the start. Indicates to me that the trolls are out and active, stirring up GOP ire by innuendo, so she must be perceived as possibly a sound choice.


4 posted on 09/22/2005 2:23:39 PM PDT by livius
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To: Perdogg

"What gives Malkin the moral and scholastic authority to question Myer's qualifications?"

Malkin pays her salary. That's what.


5 posted on 09/22/2005 2:24:53 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death

So you mean to tell me that every one who pays taxes is qualified to judge if someone is qualified for a National security position?


6 posted on 09/22/2005 2:26:33 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is, *ahem*, a less than optimal nomination.

But it is consistent with W's track record on illegal immigration.

Malkin is right. Again.


7 posted on 09/22/2005 2:28:34 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: Perdogg
Absolutely.

I'm paying for this inexperienced lawyer who only got the job because she's someone's niece or cousin or whatever......

I have every right to judge her qualifications. I have every right to question the reasoning behind her appointment.

That's how things work.
8 posted on 09/22/2005 2:29:22 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Perdogg
So you mean to tell me that every one who pays taxes is qualified to judge if someone is qualified for a National security position?

That is not the same thing as questioning someone's qualifications, which is what you castigated Malkin for. This sounds like an awful pick to me.
9 posted on 09/22/2005 2:29:29 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: Perdogg
Another question. What gives Malkin the moral and scholastic authority to question Myer's qualifications?

Why does she need "moral and scholastic authority" to question Myers' credentials? By that standard, any voter who has never worked in government would lack the necessary "authority" to question any politician, wouldn't they? I mean, really, how many political analysts have "moral and scholastic authority"?

The questions you should ask yourself is: Is Malkin right?

10 posted on 09/22/2005 2:35:23 PM PDT by TChris ("The central issue is America's credibility and will to prevail" - Goh Chok Tong)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Should've appointed Malkin.


11 posted on 09/22/2005 2:37:15 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Perdogg
This woman may not be qualified. But the dummycrats have no room to complain.

What about Warren Christopher and George Tenet?

The need to apologize for those people first.

What about Klinton, Klinton, Kennedy, Carter, Jessie, Rev Al, Kerry? Where/What are/were their QUALIFICATIONS?

12 posted on 09/22/2005 2:38:00 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (All democrats are ENEMIES of the Republic!)
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To: livius
Yep, I suppose those guys over at National Review are a bunch of trolls too? She must be a great choice with all this negativity.

Withdraw Myers

13 posted on 09/22/2005 2:38:57 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Perdogg

"What gives Malkin the moral and scholastic authority to question Myer's qualifications?"

The same thing that gives you or I the authority to do the same thing.

She's an American citizen. The goverment works for us. Were are not their subjects.


14 posted on 09/22/2005 2:42:40 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: flashbunny

"we are" not "were are".


15 posted on 09/22/2005 2:43:02 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I'd support her if I got a convincing commitment to ENFORCE OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS... prolly I'll have to settle for an unconvincing one from Hitlary.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

16 posted on 09/22/2005 2:43:29 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: TChris; flashbunny

Maybe people should give her the chance before the Senate before making up their minds.


17 posted on 09/22/2005 2:44:50 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

President Bush could write a poem that stirred souls, grow food that satiated world hunger, and personally cured cancer and he'd still get "criticized" by the ideological know-nothings in the news media.

It grows old. If this position was "so" important, then why didn't Malkin and others first suggest someone for this position?

The truth is that she and others like her just criticize, they have no proactive, positive policy suggestions and personnel recommendations. She probably just heard about this job opening this week, anyway.

18 posted on 09/22/2005 2:49:16 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Perdogg

...or maybe they could judge by her experience and qualifications....and see that the only way she meets the requirements of the job is by realllllly stretching the definitions of her experience.

Face it, she's not a good choice. There are much better people out there to do the job.


19 posted on 09/22/2005 3:01:32 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Bush immigration pick criticized? More like Bush immigration policy criticized!
20 posted on 09/22/2005 3:43:51 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: Perdogg

"This woman may not be qualified. But the dummycrats have no room to complain."

That still doesn't make it right.

"What gives Malkin the moral and scholastic authority to question Myer's qualifications?"

Don't we all have that right?


21 posted on 09/22/2005 4:00:27 PM PDT by Pessimist
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To: livius

"she's probably going to be good, simply because I have seen so many people here on FR trashing her"

Real sound logic there..


22 posted on 09/22/2005 4:01:27 PM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Perhaps someone with more experience related to illegal immigration would be nice...

No, I'm afraid that wouldn't do.

23 posted on 09/22/2005 4:03:15 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Southack

"then why didn't Malkin and others first suggest someone for this position"

Its her job to fill openings for bush's admin?


24 posted on 09/22/2005 4:05:18 PM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Perdogg
What gives Malkin the moral and scholastic authority to question Myer's qualifications?

He appoints a 36 years old, a lawyer and a political appointee with limited executive experience and she is slated to become head of one of the nation's most critical security-related agencies, the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE)

And you question Malkin?

25 posted on 09/22/2005 4:06:46 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: TChris
"Is Malkin right"

No.

Malkin tries to imply that this is croneyism, some sort of political appointment on the part of Bush.

The reality is that Myers has worked for Chertoff before and he offered this job to her. Since the job of Assistant Secretary requires Senate approval, Bush has to nominate her to the job. Bush had nothing to do with hiring her.

Chertoff should be allowed to run the agency as he sees fit.

26 posted on 09/22/2005 4:09:18 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Black Tooth
More misinformation from Malkin.

Myers is not a political appointee, she is a career employee. Her resume has been posted here several times. Maybe you and Malkin should look at it.

27 posted on 09/22/2005 4:12:38 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Let me point out some mis-info in this NewsMax article.

The statements that Voinavitch made to Myers actually happened. But as the WaPo article points out, and NewsMax leaves out, Voinavitch met with Chertoff after the hearing and now supports Myers.

28 posted on 09/22/2005 4:20:57 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Pessimist

It's the truth. Whenever there's an all-out assault on somebody, it's usually conducted by sleeper trolls, who whip up the hysteria and then disappear. I think we should do a little more research before we start screaming that the sky is falling.


29 posted on 09/22/2005 4:37:41 PM PDT by livius
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To: Ben Ficklin
Myers is not a political appointee, she is a career employee.

No, I don't need to see the young ladies resume.

I don't know, just a guess, but it would seem to me, looking at this crisis, and the lawlessness it's been causing, not to mention the billions it's costing the American tax payers, you'd think they would appoint someone with a proven, lengthy military/intelligence and border security background.

Of course what do I know?

30 posted on 09/22/2005 4:46:26 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

31 posted on 09/22/2005 4:49:33 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

hhhlii i


32 posted on 09/22/2005 4:51:14 PM PDT by jeremiah (People wake up, the water is getting hot)
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To: flashbunny
Respectfully, I am sorry not everyone went to Harvard School of Government. I don't have a degree in Political Science, I do have one degree in Business and an Engineering degree, Am I unqualified for government?

I think I organizational skills and a fundamental knowledge of National Security issues to serve in government. So if you become President, you know where to find me. :)
33 posted on 09/22/2005 4:59:26 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Well, before you comment on a story, you could bother getting to know the facts behind it:

http://nationalreview.com/editorial/editors200509221416.asp

"Given the importance of the position and a history of mismanagement in the immigration service, Congress took the unusual step of inserting a statutory requirement that nominees have a minimum of five years of experience in both management and law enforcement. Even a cursory reading of her resume reveals that the well-connected 36-year-old attorney’s background fails to comply with this legal requirement; in fact, she meets the bare minimum only by counting her current stint in White House Personnel, where she manages, by her own account, “up to three deputies as well as support staff and interns.”"

Not exactly the kind of fully qualified candidate most people would want to protect our nation as head of the ICE division.

Especially when there are much better candidates out there.

Which begs the question: Why nominate her? Because she will be a good soldier and not try to hard to enforce ALL the laws?


34 posted on 09/22/2005 5:04:51 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Black Tooth
Myers is no more or less qualified for the job than the previous Assistant Secretary.

Garcia moved over to DOJ to becomes US Attorney for the southern district of New York.

35 posted on 09/22/2005 5:28:30 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Is anything he does not criticized? Even by many on this forum?


36 posted on 09/22/2005 5:31:33 PM PDT by ladyinred (It is all my fault okay?)
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To: Ben Ficklin
I don't know, just a guess, but it would seem to me, looking at this crisis, and the lawlessness it's been causing, not to mention the billions it's costing the American tax payers, you'd think they would appoint someone with a proven, lengthy military/intelligence and border security background.

Myers is no more or less qualified for the job than the previous Assistant Secretary.

Well, believe it or not, I am not surprised. But what does this have to do with what I posted? Do you disagree with it?

37 posted on 09/22/2005 5:34:31 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Black Tooth
Yes, I do disagree with you.

There are individuals there with the skills/experience that you mention. In fact, the Acting Assistant Secretary is such a person. Hiring Myers will not deprive the Agency of the 'nuts and bolts' employees.

You are being taken in by this malarkey that Myers is a Bush's political appointee.

Chertoff should be able to hire/fire whoever he wants.

38 posted on 09/22/2005 5:52:38 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Perdogg

It never ceases to amaze me how some people come to their conclusions.

It has only been a week since horse-man Mike Brown, another political appointee who had no business heading FEMA was given the boot.(Mike Brown is propably a nice man, maybe even worthy of a political appointment...but not head of FEMA)
and now another political appointment to a position of EXTREME importance to head imigration with another inexperienced nominee who propably is a great person, a wonderful mom and great blood running thru her veins, but she is not qualified to head Imigration.


39 posted on 09/22/2005 6:06:10 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman
To be intellectually honest, Brown was a deputy at Fema for 16-months, was confirmed by the Senate by a voice vote, and had no trouble until the LSM joined with the Dummyrats to try pin everything on Bush.

In fact, if you to Rightwing nut house, the time line of events vindicates Brown. So will history.
40 posted on 09/22/2005 6:20:36 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: flashbunny

So Gen Tommy Franks would be unqualified for this position?


41 posted on 09/22/2005 6:22:29 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Julie Myers is Julie Myers... she will ONLY reflect and carry out what the ADMINISTRATION wants to happen in the area of "illegal immigration".

She's young, nice looking, and she's General Meyer's daughter. Turn her loose.. let's see what she can do.

Anything would be an inprovement.




42 posted on 09/22/2005 6:34:58 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Perdogg

do you want to answer the question of her qualifications, or lack thereof, or do you want to try another distraction from the real issue?


43 posted on 09/22/2005 6:37:16 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Perdogg
Well, if a political appointee is what Bush wanted why did he replace Brown with an actual seasoned veteran named Peterson, who is currently running FEMA. And actually has EXPERIENCE Why did he not replace Brown with another in experienced Appointee? I'll tell you why. Americans will not be satisfied with political appointees(WITH NO EXPERIENCE) running extremely important departments after 9/11.
44 posted on 09/22/2005 7:24:16 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Pessimist
"Its her job to fill openings for bush's admin?"

There are some losers who go through their entire lives doing one thing: whining.

Those people are incapable of offering positive, proactive potential solutions to problems.

That type of person goes through life hoping that everyone else **fails**. They know how to do one thing: criticize.

They are one dimensional. Day in and day out they spew forth their negativity. They want failure and they offer criticism.

The 98% "rest" of the world eventually tires of such people; their 15 minutes of fame inevitably fades, leaving that 2% with nothing but lives of misery and despair and hate-filled rants.

Yawn. That sort of anti-intellectual drivel bores me.

Offer positive, proactive solutions. If you can't do that, then you have no business criticizing leadership decisions. You certainly have no business leading people.

Endless criticism alone has no value. The most moronic, least intelligent humans can criticize.

But if a leadership decision was truly "bad," then that implies that some other decision would have been better. If so, then it only makes sense to suggest that solution out loud, in public, prior to the event in question.

A person incapable of articulating such an improved leadership decision is actually admitting that they really couldn't have done better **except** with the benefit of hindsight...a gift that no current leader will ever have (by definition). And at some point, endless, mindless, suggestionless criticism amounts to nothing more than AGITPROP.

Don't go there.

45 posted on 09/22/2005 7:25:41 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Perdogg
What gives Malkin the moral and scholastic authority to question Myer's qualifications?

What qualifications?

46 posted on 09/22/2005 7:27:25 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Press Release-for immediate release


Chicago, IL

September 22, 2005



Minutemen host Chicago summit on national security and illegal immigration



The Chicago Minuteman Project will host the “America First: Summit on National Security” on Saturday, October 15, 2005 from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. Minorities and immigrants are among the leaders who will speak at the summit held at the Christian Liberty Academy, 502 W. Euclid Ave., in Arlington Heights, IL.



Co-founders of the Chicago Minuteman Project, Rosanna Pulido and Rick Bieseda, were among the original group of Minutemen to patrol the Arizona border in April, 2005. They were the first to establish a Minuteman group in a non-border state where the emphasis is on holding employers and politicians accountable for obeying immigration laws.



Indicative of the multi-ethnic mix of speakers, Rosanna Pulido is an American of Mexican descent. Her background includes working on the Alan Keyes Campaign as his 2nd Amendment coordinator. She was the organizer for Rally for America March 22, 2003 in Chicago.



Rick Bieseda, served in Vietnam as a Marine and hosts the weekly talk show “Perspectives on Our Heritage” on WJJG 1530 AM. He is the author of The Angry White Male and the Horse he Rode in On and writes columns for the Federal Observer.



Speaker Yeh Ling-Ling is a naturalized American citizen who was born in Vietnam to Chinese parents. Prior to founding Diversity Alliance for a Sustainable America, she spent 10 years working for immigration law firms.



Carl “Two Feathers” Whitaker of the Tennessee Volunteer Minutemen, is of American Indian descent. He is running for Governor of Tennessee.



Descended from slaves and American Indians, Terry Anderson bills himself as the Prisoner of South Central on his all-immigration radio talk show on KRLA in Los Angeles.



Long before the Governors of NM and AZ declared states of emergency due to problems caused by illegal aliens, County Commissioner Robert Vasquez, a Hispanic American, sought to declare Canyon County, Idaho a disaster area due to strains caused by illegal aliens. He is now running for Congress.



These multi-ethnic speakers have one thing in common. They are “Americans first.” They will address the numerous ways illegal immigration threatens our national security.







For more information and details on tickets and speakers, call Rick Bieseda or Rosanna Pulido at 847-626-7818. You may also check the website at www.ChicagoMinutemanProject.com





47 posted on 09/22/2005 8:05:32 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Southack
There are some losers who go through their entire lives doing one thing: whining.

You got it. These anti big gov people are all the same.

48 posted on 09/22/2005 9:40:42 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Black Tooth
"You got it. These anti big gov people are all the same."

People who want our government to better enforce our immigration laws (look at the title for this thread) are people who want government doing MORE, not less.

If those same people claim to be "anti big gov" then they are confused and simply don't yet quite realize that they've selected conflicting priorities.

49 posted on 09/23/2005 10:49:27 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Yeah. Let's look on the bright side. She's pretty...


50 posted on 09/23/2005 11:04:53 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, grow up!)
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