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Boat owners say they were fearful during Coast Guard search
The Monterey Herald ^ | September 18, 2005 | VIRGINIA HENNESSEY

Posted on 09/22/2005 2:42:37 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Two of the Moss Landing Harbor residents who were the subjects of random boat searches during Labor Day Weekend say their experiences were closer to armed invasions than the friendly "safety inspections" characterized by U.S. Coast Guard officials.

Both residents said search crews entered the harbor in inflatable boats with machine guns mounted on their bows. Then, carrying M-16 rifles, they approached residents and boarded and searched their boats in the name of safety and "homeland security."

One resident, who asked not to be identified for fear or retribution, said his experience was "very intimidating, very frightening."

"To me it reeks of Nazi Germany and the death squads in Argentina," he said. "I don't want my name on their list."

Scott Jones, a live-aboard resident who was searched, said there has been talk in the harbor about contacting the American Civil Liberties Union, but he first wants to hear further from the Coast Guard about its future intentions.

Lt. Mark Warren of the Monterey Coast Guard Station said he has heard mostly positive response to the operation, but may rethink future actions given current criticisms.

"We take lessons and learn from these types of operations. If the public is genuinely distasteful of it, we might not do it," he said. "I'm not saying we won't, but I'm not saying we will."

In addition to trying to ensure the safety of boats on the bay during the holiday weekend, Warren said, the operation was part of an effort to increase the public's awareness of the Coast Guard's role as a law enforcement agency under the Department of Homeland Security. He said the public might have been surprised to see weaponry that is now standard issue to all Homeland Security forces.

"I, as a U.S. citizen, am highly offended by that," said Jones, who is accustomed to Coast Guard boardings when he sails. "When a sheriff's deputy drives down the road or a CHP officer drives down the road and I see them, I'm aware of his job, and not because he's pulled me over and put a gun to my head.

"The Coast Guard's needs would be better served by an advertising campaign," he said, "rather than bullying people in their bedrooms at 10:30 at night."

Jones said he and his wife were sleeping when they were awakened by knocking on the side of the boat.

He went to the deck and was confronted by two armed officers asking if they could come aboard. Thinking something had happened in the harbor that the officers needed to talk to him about, Jones acquiesced.

"It seemed a little unreasonable at 10:30 at night," he said, "but it was the middle of the night and I was half asleep, so I said 'OK.' At this point, I looked out and saw six to eight officers (on the dock) and all appeared armed."

The officers boarded his boat and quickly spread out beyond the immediate deck without invitation, saying they were conducting a safety inspection.

"I can say with all certainly that what they did was not a safety inspection or in any way related to a safety inspection," he said. The officers demanded access to the bilge, saying they wanted to make sure the boat wasn't taking on water.

"This was highly suspect," Jones said. "If you're on board, you'd know if you were taking on water."

When Jones showed them the bilge, the officers repeatedly, and with increasing forcefulness, demanded to know if there were other accesses to the bilge. They also "demanded" the driver's licenses of everyone on board.

Increasingly upset by the nature of the search, Jones asked for the officers' authority and justification. One officer read to him from a federal code authorizing the search.

"It was either the Patriot Act or homeland security,"Jones said.

Warren said the officers would not have cited the Patriot Act because it affords the Coast Guard no additional authority.

Jones conceded he may have heard "homeland security" and registered "Patriot Act," but still feels the search was unwarranted and in a gray area of the law at best.

"I wouldn't question their professionalism, but I do question their motive and their authority," he said. "To me, it sounds like something that an ACLU lawyer would just tear apart."

Coast Guard officials say they are authorized by maritime law to board and search vessels on U.S. waters, including waters that lead to U.S. waters, to enforce federal laws.

Warren said the officers were attempting to ensure the safety and compliance of docked boats by checking for oily water in their bilges and that their sanitation devices were in locked position. Some searches were conducted at night in an effort to catch boats before they went onto the bay for the weekend.

The second boat owner who spoke to The Herald said his boat was searched after he challenged officers who were searching other boats, at 10:30 p.m. Sept. 2, and during the morning on following days. Told they were acting as Homeland Security officers, he asked what they were protecting the harbor from.

"Terrorists," he said he was told by the officers, who exhorted him to "remember the Cole," referring to the October 2000 attack by terrorists on the USS Cole that killed 17 sailors.

"The only terrorists down here are you guys," he told them. "You're scaring the hell out of me with that machine gun."

While Warren was noncommittal about future searches, he said it is important for the public to know the Coast Guard's presence will be increased.

"The Coast Guard's focus on homeland security has increased our presence on the water and will continue to increase our presence simply because that's what Congress is wanting us to do right now," he said. "The concern at the congressional level about the security of ports is pretty high."


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To: William Tell; GodBlessUSA
GodBlessUSA said: "They have been doing it since prohibition"

It goes back way before prohibition.

301 posted on 09/22/2005 8:37:44 PM PDT by Ramius (Blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: William Tell
It only explains how long they have had the Authority to do so.

The Coast Guard are Brave Courageous Heroes, some who do more in one day, than some here will ever do in their entire lives.

The history of the Coast Guard speaks for itself. The recent history in NO is proof. God Bless them!

302 posted on 09/22/2005 8:38:38 PM PDT by GodBlessUSA (US Troops, past, present and future, God Bless You and Thank You! Prayers said for our Heroes!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Eject! Eject! Eject! Bump.

Roger that. And how. Time to REACH FOR THE LOUD HANDLE. :-)

303 posted on 09/22/2005 8:39:30 PM PDT by Ramius (Blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Ramius
It's not just the border and 12 miles out, who told you that? The USCG can board you half way up the Mississippi, or in the middle of the ocean, no matter what flag you are flying.


I know they can do it, and will do it. I just ask that they not act like Nazi storm troopers on Kristallnacht while they are doing it, to ordinary average American taxpaying Joe Schmoes. Usually, they are respectful and polite, but sometimes they do come off as JBTs with a 'tude. Not often, but they do.

Is it too much to ask that they be polite and courteous to law-abiding American boat owners, when rousting them from sleep in the middle of the night for an uninvited "safety inspection?"
304 posted on 09/22/2005 8:40:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
It's an interesting article, but I think many Americans forget the nature of piracy, drug running, and the adverse work environment that our US Coast Guard has to deal with.

I know of a Coastie who was shot by a kid when he inspected a boat. Apparently the father of the kid ramped up the little fellow with "defend thy honor" type of rhetoric. Luckily for the Coastie, the flak jacket stopped the bullet and he didn't return fire.

I also know of another law enforcement officer who was blown to bits from a drug runner's RPG.

I've met Coasties that had the displeasure of searching homosexual cruises and told me what they witnessed.

If Coasties board your boat, and depending on where you are, chances are they're more ready to take a hit than we ever would (considering that Freepers reading this are definately law abiding and lovers of our nation's defenders). The Coasties I know are ready for a fight and they plan on winning. If they act like a cop who's just been shot at, then maybe it's because they've had the unpleasant experience. The War on Drugs hasn't ended and it's a very real war with real causalities.

So, if Coasties board your boat, be nice and offer them a cup a coffee. I don't know too many salty seafarers that don't like coffee. They aren't after law abiding citizens, so establish that relationship of trust and confidence and try to understand their job and all its associated hardships.
305 posted on 09/22/2005 8:44:42 PM PDT by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child...at conception.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
It's an interesting article, but I think many Americans forget the nature of piracy, drug running, and the adverse work environment that our US Coast Guard has to deal with.

I know of a Coastie who was shot by a kid when he inspected a boat. Apparently the father of the kid ramped up the little fellow with "defend thy honor" type of rhetoric. Luckily for the Coastie, the flak jacket stopped the bullet and he didn't return fire.

I also know of another law enforcement officer who was blown to bits from a drug runner's RPG.

I've met Coasties that had the displeasure of searching homosexual cruises and told me what they witnessed.

If Coasties board your boat, and depending on where you are, chances are they're more ready to take a hit than we ever would (considering that Freepers reading this are definitely law abiding and lovers of our nation's defenders). The Coasties I know are ready for a fight and they plan on winning. If they act like a cop who's just been shot at, then maybe it's because they've had the unpleasant experience. The War on Drugs hasn't ended and it's a very real war with real causalities.

So, if Coasties board your boat, be nice and offer them a cup a coffee. I don't know too many salty seafarers that don't like coffee. They aren't after law abiding citizens, so establish that relationship of trust and confidence and try to understand their job and all its associated hardships.
306 posted on 09/22/2005 8:45:27 PM PDT by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child...at conception.)
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To: SaltyJoe

You can say that again ;~D


307 posted on 09/22/2005 8:46:37 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Travis McGee

It's not the authority that bothers me, it's the way some of them use (Or abuse) it. I'm a law a abiding guy, mostly; certainly no threat to society Once I'm standing there in my bare feet, surrounded by armed public servants and it has been established that I'm not going to go berserk with a submachine gun, they should treat me with the respect I deserve, search the boat if they must, and let me get on with my business.


308 posted on 09/22/2005 8:47:48 PM PDT by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
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To: Travis McGee
Jones said "I wouldn't question their professionalism, but I do question their motive and their authority," he said. "To me, it sounds like something that an ACLU lawyer would just tear apart."

Even the man who is complaining couldn't question their professionalism. Which means they weren't treated in any harsh way.

309 posted on 09/22/2005 8:48:10 PM PDT by GodBlessUSA (US Troops, past, present and future, God Bless You and Thank You! Prayers said for our Heroes!)
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To: Travis McGee

Oh, absolutely. Respect flows both ways once someone offers it. Although I have to admit, at my age, I sometimes have a hard time saying "Sir" to someone young enough to be my grandson d;^)


310 posted on 09/22/2005 8:51:21 PM PDT by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
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To: Travis McGee

Travis, I have great respect for your opinion, having read much of your good stuff over the years here.

Of course, CG boarding parties should not be seen to come across as Jackbooted thugs. I don't think that there are, or ever have been in any sort of institutional way. I happen to really honestly believe, that out of the thousands of boardings they do every DAY, that they conduct themselves in the most professional way possible, given whatever circumstances they are in.

I think there's a bad rap happening on this thread for the USCG, and I'll defend them. That is simply where I am.


311 posted on 09/22/2005 8:52:38 PM PDT by Ramius (Blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
I don't think the guns were drawn

Yes I'm sure those M-16s were securely holstered.

312 posted on 09/22/2005 8:54:56 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Paranoia is granted to us so we may see the truth about the universe)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

These were not smugglers they were regular people. This seems to be over the line in my book.


313 posted on 09/22/2005 8:57:36 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patto)
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To: Travis McGee
It's not just the border and 12 miles out, who told you that? The USCG can board you half way up the Mississippi, or in the middle of the ocean, no matter what flag you are flying.

Not exactly. True... the 12 mile limit extends into any navigable water. Authority to board and inspect insde that line is absolute. That's just the way it is. The CG also can board any U.S. flagged vessel anywhere in the world, in international waters. Or... can board any vessel flagged in a country for whom we have a treaty granting authority to the USCG to conduct boardings. Treaties to this effect are in place with regard to most countries of So. America.

314 posted on 09/22/2005 9:01:10 PM PDT by Ramius (Blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Rodney King
When Jones showed them the bilge, the officers repeatedly, and with increasing forcefulness, demanded to know if there were other accesses to the bilge. What they were looking for is drugs. If they find them, they just take your boat.

So this was not about the (tee hee) "Patriot act" but about revenue production.

315 posted on 09/22/2005 9:02:12 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: chris1
Smugglers come with signs identifying them as such???
316 posted on 09/22/2005 9:02:31 PM PDT by Yakima (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money)
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To: AdamSelene235
Mike, tell him about "The Alien and Sedition Acts".

I believe John Adams was a founding father too.

317 posted on 09/22/2005 9:02:35 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: Ramius

I've been boarded about a dozen times, and in almost every case the Coasties have been terrific. Polite, professional. Don't get an attitude with them, and no problem.

My bottom line is they are the guys who will pluck me from my raft, in the event of a calamity aboard the SV Escape Pod II.

I just hope that COs will go over some sort of "courtesy standards" to ensure no JBT treatment of American citizens, ever. Even if it is already rare. A few bad search cases get spread all over the waterfront and the internet, and it harms the USCG's interface with their "clients."


318 posted on 09/22/2005 9:03:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Ramius

Any vessel in the Pacific or Atlantic between Cape Horn and Canada can be searched, regardless of flag. Period. It is done. And I'm not sorry about it: we're not patsies.


319 posted on 09/22/2005 9:04:48 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Chuckster

Usually, they call me sir! That's because I have a blue hull, Norfolk as a hailing port, a "military" length haircut etc. On the radio I answer in military "alpha tango" speak. By the time they board, we're already pals, usually.


320 posted on 09/22/2005 9:06:25 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Rodney King
People in America tend to think that you need a warrant or probable cause for a search.

Unless they happen to be a minority-American.

321 posted on 09/22/2005 9:06:37 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Ramius

One small correction, the USCG can board any vessel in international waters no matter the nationality to verify paperwork and to ensure the vessel is not stateless. However the boarding stops when this has been completed and there is not any searching of the vessel allowed. However this means that if you run and ignore orders to stop you can be stopped by force. Now mind you this is not done very often with foreign flagged vessels but the right to do so is there.


322 posted on 09/22/2005 9:09:27 PM PDT by Yakima (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money)
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To: Mount Athos

Well put!


323 posted on 09/22/2005 9:11:49 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

The second boat owner who spoke to The Herald said his boat was searched after he challenged officers who were searching other boats, at 10:30 p.m. Sept. 2, and during the morning on following days. Told they were acting as Homeland Security officers, he asked what they were protecting the harbor from.

"Terrorists," he said he was told by the officers, who exhorted him to "remember the Cole," referring to the October 2000 attack by terrorists on the USS Cole that killed 17 sailors.

"The only terrorists down here are you guys," he told them



Oh Ya! this guy really has his act together. Smart move bozo. You don't suppose they took down the name of the boat?....nah, didn't think so either.


324 posted on 09/22/2005 9:16:11 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Travis McGee
As far as the USCG is concerned operating under normal peace time rules of engagement and performing federal law enforcement you are very wrong. For US flag vessels we can search anywhere/anytime in US or International waters. However for foreign flag vessels in International waters the rules are strict and searches without flag state permission do not happen outside of wartime, and even then it would only be done on rock solid intelligence.
325 posted on 09/22/2005 9:18:36 PM PDT by Yakima (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money)
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To: chris1
I just got this from a friend in the area:

Wonder if this had anything to do with the major marijuana busts that recently went down locally. Especially since they wanted access to the bilges.

I've read the article. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't it state that the USCG did their stunt over the entire Monterey Bay?

So, how come we haven't heard anything from the tree huggers in Santa Cruz harbor or the hot heads in Monterey harbor? Santa Cruz has folks that stay on their boats and so does Monterey.

Interesting that the Coasties ran their RIBs across the bay in the dark. Moss Landing isn't exactly twenty minutes away from the station in Monterey and the mouth of the harbor isn't really fun to navigate at night.

It's starting to sound like they were after something...

326 posted on 09/22/2005 9:21:31 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: Thud
Coast Guard searches like this one - late at night as opposed to 6 am - 8 pm - arouse hostility and resistance by the law-abiding, and so are detrimental to real security.

Which is the problem with most LEA abuses.

327 posted on 09/22/2005 9:21:33 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Travis McGee

I've been boarded about a dozen times, and in almost every case the Coasties have been terrific. Polite, professional. Don't get an attitude with them, and no problem.

Basically good advice whenever you;re dealing with LEOs
It never hurts to be nice.


328 posted on 09/22/2005 9:23:16 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I used to be one of those jackbooted bording officers. Yeah they would whine about how intimidated they were until we pulled a couple of bails of BC Bud out of the engine hold of their sailboat.

Another bleeding heart had $350M in cocaine on their sport fishing boat.

We had others with illegals aboard.

The CG has the widest jurisdiction of any law enforcement body in the US. They can stop a US flag vessel anywhere in the world.

You want your borders protected, that means your ports and the navigable waters.


329 posted on 09/22/2005 9:24:17 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: chris1

There are no "regular people". There are samuri, peasants, and outlaws. Only one of those groups has freedom. Get with the program!


330 posted on 09/22/2005 9:26:36 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Paranoia is granted to us so we may see the truth about the universe)
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To: Travis McGee

I've been on the phone today with my buddy from Key West with the Hylas 51.

Winds were 100-110 and he was aboard and had her cross springed and bow and stern lined every which a way and chained to two 14 inch creosote pilings which subsequently snapped and set her partially adrift tangled in flotsam and lines in Florida bay.

He expects damage at 25-50K to masts, rigging and deck and trim and paint etc

he said he's gpoing to fix it all with the insurance and sell her and move back to Maryland to work for his dad.

he's done.

i am hearing from bankers and real estate folks here that they are getting a lot of calls from folks in FL, MS, AL and LA coastal areas that are done for and are looking for the country squire life in middle TN with a nice little horse farm or the like within 100 miles of Nashville...middle aged folks with some cash that are burned out on evacs, downed trees, insurance hikes, no power for weeks etc.


331 posted on 09/22/2005 9:30:46 PM PDT by wardaddy (I call my wife "woman" sometimes......am I a sexist?)
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To: Travis McGee

Roger that.

I'll own up. I *was* once that coastie *doing* those boardings some (now many) years ago. I boarded hundreds and hundreds of different boats over the time I was in. I was enlisted, but I'd done so many boardings that I had worked my way into being the lead Boarding Officer or Assistant Boarding Officer on many boardings.

I grew up on boats. I understand and fully identify with the boating community. Most people in the CG have the same story. That's why I joined the Coast Guard and it is the overriding reason why most people do. Nothing I did while I was there was in any way a violation of that.

The thing that ticks me off about this story us that it seems to just leave unchecked this idea that there's coasties just sitting around waiting for the chance to go hassle mom and pop boater.

As if.

Stuff like this doesn't happen for no reason. There just isn't time for playgames. There's lots better stuff to do.


332 posted on 09/22/2005 9:31:49 PM PDT by Ramius (Blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: surely_you_jest

Because we apparently want safety more than freedom. And in the end will have neither.


333 posted on 09/22/2005 9:34:54 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: festus

Piffle.

Just plain not true. Makes for a cute tagline, but that's about all.


334 posted on 09/22/2005 9:43:09 PM PDT by Ramius (Blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Funny how the "seal the border" crowd and the "CG are Jackbooted thugs" crowd... are all the same people.

It's "almost" funny.


335 posted on 09/22/2005 9:48:02 PM PDT by Ramius (Blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Lurker; freeeee; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I am very close to a WWII Navy vet who spent alot of his time chasing U-Boats off the East Coast. One can find old U-Boat lookout towers along the beaches.
IF, you know what you're looking at, that is.
These historical stories weren't incorporated into history books used by American public schools, for some reason.

There is quite a bit of information here:
www.battlebelow.com/viddoc.htm
WAR ZONE: WW II OFF NORTH CAROLINA'S OUTER BANKS (PART I)
VHS

WAR ZONE, by North Carolina filmmaker Kevin Duffus, is two 90 minute videos of archival footage and contemporary interviews showing Outer Banks people and scenes, war action at sea and the personal stories of witnesses and victims of the German U-boat assault along the East coast of the United States in 1942 with its epicenter at Cape Hatteras.

The United States suffered one of its worst defeats of WWII not in Europe or the Pacific but along the nation's eastern seaboard. Three hundred ninety-seven ships were sunk or damaged and nearly 5,000 people were killed. The loss of lives, ships and raw resources represents one of the greatest maritime disasters in history.

For six months, sixty-five German U-boats hunted Allied merchant vessels practically unopposed within view of American coastal communities. The greatest concentration of these attacks occurred off North Carolina's Outer Banks. War Zone is a story of infamy, irony and innocence lost.

Featured in Part One are the heart-rending stories of torpedoed Merchant sailors and young Coast Guard lifesavers unable to come to their rescue. Viewers will marvel at the courage of a young mother who delivered her newborn son in a lifeboat on the storm tossed waves of the Graveyard of the Atlantic. Learn how Germany surprised America's defenses despite Britain's warnings.


336 posted on 09/22/2005 9:52:12 PM PDT by freema (Ready to Rock AND Roll)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"Terrorists," he said he was told by the officers, who exhorted him to "remember the Cole," referring to the October 2000 attack by terrorists on the USS Cole that killed 17 sailors."

I didn't know the Cole was attacked in Monterey.


337 posted on 09/22/2005 9:55:11 PM PDT by Razz Barry
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I don't know about that...I've seen alot of them on this thread. Thanks for the ping.


338 posted on 09/22/2005 9:59:30 PM PDT by freema (Ready to Rock AND Roll)
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To: Razz Barry
I didn't know the Cole was attacked in Monterey.

Only because they didn't think of it first. Ever been to Monterey? They would have if they could have. It's sorta like Yemen. Only with higher rent. Their loyalties are the same, however. Anything AntiAmerican is a good sell, must like most of California.

339 posted on 09/22/2005 10:04:51 PM PDT by Ramius (Blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: cripplecreek
Spellcheck don't catch stupid.

If I didn't already have a tagline, I think I'd glom onto that one!

340 posted on 09/22/2005 11:27:55 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: Nov3
Where have you been? They are legal now! It is a brave new world.

But still not accepted by the majority. When that happens, Sieg Heil!
341 posted on 09/23/2005 3:07:23 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT


342 posted on 09/23/2005 3:09:22 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: righttackle44
We keep saying it: next time you capsize or need rescuing, call your local drug cartel.





The old trade freedoms for "safety" thing.
343 posted on 09/23/2005 3:30:11 AM PDT by THEUPMAN (#### comment deleted by moderator)
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To: Ramius
There's something to this story that doesn't add up. 6-8 person boarding party harassing a docked boat at 10:30 p.m. without any cause?

I'll bet there's more to this story than reported.

344 posted on 09/23/2005 3:52:48 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: R. Scott

i was unaware that drug runners and other criminals keep 9-5 schedules.


345 posted on 09/23/2005 4:03:56 AM PDT by thefactor
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To: R. Scott
But still not accepted by the majority.

Where have you been? The vast majority of FR supports it. It is a brave new site.

346 posted on 09/23/2005 4:45:12 AM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Ramius; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Is their a 'fast food mentality' or a lot of ADD on this thread, or am I just nuts.
Don't answer : )
Whatever happened to better safe than sorry?
"Jack Boot Thugs." Where'd that come from?
Don't answer that one either : )

What about those manhole explosions, etc....
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8589929/
Updated: 11:03 p.m. ET July 15, 2005
LOS ANGELES - Law enforcement authorities warned the Israeli Consulate and California National Guard that their facilities were on a list of possible terror targets that police found recently while investigating a string of robberies, officials said Friday.

“We’re very concerned about it,” said Maj. Jon Siepmann, the California National Guard’s deputy director of communications. “There was evidence that an attack was at least being planned.”

Police found the list while searching the home of a man arrested last week in connection with gas station robberies in south Santa Monica Bay communities. The list included three National Guard facilities in the greater Los Angeles area, said Siepmann, who described the threat as apparently “very serious.”


347 posted on 09/23/2005 4:45:18 AM PDT by freema (Ready to Rock AND Roll)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
I'll bet there's more to this story than reported.

What ever it is you will support it! Per your earlier quote (with no outrage on your part!)

I think we may not know the whole story. These guys may have earned a spot on sombody's watch list. Maybe the guy is a smart A and this is payback.

Give me a break. Abuses under color of authority seem to be OK with you.

348 posted on 09/23/2005 4:48:57 AM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: tet68
Yep, there had to be some sort of intell here. I don't see Coasties just showing up, at night, to conduct safety inspections. They were looking for something/someone else. As far as the owners go... well, if it were me conducting the searches/inspections, I'd say, "The job comes first." I wouldn't worry one bit if someone got their panties in a bunch. Let the lawyers hash it out.
349 posted on 09/23/2005 4:50:46 AM PDT by Mathews (Shot... Splash... Out!)
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To: Travis McGee

Who said they acted like Nazi storm troopers?

No, it's not too much to ask for them to be polite and courteous to law-abiding American boat owners.

........and they're supposed to know which ones are law-abiding American boat owners, how?


350 posted on 09/23/2005 4:51:32 AM PDT by freema (Ready to Rock AND Roll)
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