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Boat owners say they were fearful during Coast Guard search
The Monterey Herald ^ | September 18, 2005 | VIRGINIA HENNESSEY

Posted on 09/22/2005 2:42:37 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Two of the Moss Landing Harbor residents who were the subjects of random boat searches during Labor Day Weekend say their experiences were closer to armed invasions than the friendly "safety inspections" characterized by U.S. Coast Guard officials.

Both residents said search crews entered the harbor in inflatable boats with machine guns mounted on their bows. Then, carrying M-16 rifles, they approached residents and boarded and searched their boats in the name of safety and "homeland security."

One resident, who asked not to be identified for fear or retribution, said his experience was "very intimidating, very frightening."

"To me it reeks of Nazi Germany and the death squads in Argentina," he said. "I don't want my name on their list."

Scott Jones, a live-aboard resident who was searched, said there has been talk in the harbor about contacting the American Civil Liberties Union, but he first wants to hear further from the Coast Guard about its future intentions.

Lt. Mark Warren of the Monterey Coast Guard Station said he has heard mostly positive response to the operation, but may rethink future actions given current criticisms.

"We take lessons and learn from these types of operations. If the public is genuinely distasteful of it, we might not do it," he said. "I'm not saying we won't, but I'm not saying we will."

In addition to trying to ensure the safety of boats on the bay during the holiday weekend, Warren said, the operation was part of an effort to increase the public's awareness of the Coast Guard's role as a law enforcement agency under the Department of Homeland Security. He said the public might have been surprised to see weaponry that is now standard issue to all Homeland Security forces.

"I, as a U.S. citizen, am highly offended by that," said Jones, who is accustomed to Coast Guard boardings when he sails. "When a sheriff's deputy drives down the road or a CHP officer drives down the road and I see them, I'm aware of his job, and not because he's pulled me over and put a gun to my head.

"The Coast Guard's needs would be better served by an advertising campaign," he said, "rather than bullying people in their bedrooms at 10:30 at night."

Jones said he and his wife were sleeping when they were awakened by knocking on the side of the boat.

He went to the deck and was confronted by two armed officers asking if they could come aboard. Thinking something had happened in the harbor that the officers needed to talk to him about, Jones acquiesced.

"It seemed a little unreasonable at 10:30 at night," he said, "but it was the middle of the night and I was half asleep, so I said 'OK.' At this point, I looked out and saw six to eight officers (on the dock) and all appeared armed."

The officers boarded his boat and quickly spread out beyond the immediate deck without invitation, saying they were conducting a safety inspection.

"I can say with all certainly that what they did was not a safety inspection or in any way related to a safety inspection," he said. The officers demanded access to the bilge, saying they wanted to make sure the boat wasn't taking on water.

"This was highly suspect," Jones said. "If you're on board, you'd know if you were taking on water."

When Jones showed them the bilge, the officers repeatedly, and with increasing forcefulness, demanded to know if there were other accesses to the bilge. They also "demanded" the driver's licenses of everyone on board.

Increasingly upset by the nature of the search, Jones asked for the officers' authority and justification. One officer read to him from a federal code authorizing the search.

"It was either the Patriot Act or homeland security,"Jones said.

Warren said the officers would not have cited the Patriot Act because it affords the Coast Guard no additional authority.

Jones conceded he may have heard "homeland security" and registered "Patriot Act," but still feels the search was unwarranted and in a gray area of the law at best.

"I wouldn't question their professionalism, but I do question their motive and their authority," he said. "To me, it sounds like something that an ACLU lawyer would just tear apart."

Coast Guard officials say they are authorized by maritime law to board and search vessels on U.S. waters, including waters that lead to U.S. waters, to enforce federal laws.

Warren said the officers were attempting to ensure the safety and compliance of docked boats by checking for oily water in their bilges and that their sanitation devices were in locked position. Some searches were conducted at night in an effort to catch boats before they went onto the bay for the weekend.

The second boat owner who spoke to The Herald said his boat was searched after he challenged officers who were searching other boats, at 10:30 p.m. Sept. 2, and during the morning on following days. Told they were acting as Homeland Security officers, he asked what they were protecting the harbor from.

"Terrorists," he said he was told by the officers, who exhorted him to "remember the Cole," referring to the October 2000 attack by terrorists on the USS Cole that killed 17 sailors.

"The only terrorists down here are you guys," he told them. "You're scaring the hell out of me with that machine gun."

While Warren was noncommittal about future searches, he said it is important for the public to know the Coast Guard's presence will be increased.

"The Coast Guard's focus on homeland security has increased our presence on the water and will continue to increase our presence simply because that's what Congress is wanting us to do right now," he said. "The concern at the congressional level about the security of ports is pretty high."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: freeeee
LMAO!!!
401 posted on 09/23/2005 10:16:47 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, grow up!)
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To: Mount Athos

I see you Law & Order "conservatives" wasted no time in showing up. I'm sure that when heavily armed men start ordering you and your family about on your own boat and invade these premises after lying their way on board, you'll roll over and submit, eh?


402 posted on 09/23/2005 10:19:03 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, grow up!)
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To: surely_you_jest
The Founding Fathers would be appalled. Why aren't we?

Why should we be? "Our" guy is in charge. </SARCASM>

403 posted on 09/23/2005 10:21:27 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, grow up!)
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To: RIGHTWING WACKO FROM MASS.
I voted for Bush twice thinking he was the lesser of two evils but???

That's the thing. The lesser of two evils is still evil. I voted for Bush once, and it took me the next 3 years to realize the above fact. I suggest you consider Constitution or Libertarian next time, depending on which party more closely resembles your personal philosophy.

404 posted on 09/23/2005 10:27:14 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, grow up!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If they don't throw me in jail unjustly, or commit violence on me, or single me out personally for repeated and frequent searches, I would not feel violated. In fact I would feel pleased knowing they are doing their job in my area. Seeing law enforcement armed with weapons does not bother me, what is the problem? This is required by statute and is sensible. They cannot know when they might be needed.

I do feel the comparisons with Nazi Germany and Argentina's death squads are quite absurd.

But this is all only my perspective, just another opinion.


405 posted on 09/23/2005 10:42:03 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Seems like some idiots have not grasped the dangers the US faces and are more concerned about their own little pleasures than homeland security which affects everyone.

My vote is with the coast Guard.


406 posted on 09/23/2005 10:45:12 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

You can guilt trip me all you want with all the good things the Coast Guard does, but if they're wantonly harassing people on their boats late in the evening, I'm going to let people know what my opinion is about it.


407 posted on 09/23/2005 10:57:11 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, grow up!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

"This is what I do

Commercial fishing is one of our nation’s most hazardous industries.
The Coast Guard is committed to increasing safety in the fishing industry.
The main objective is to increase compliance
with the minimum safety requirements found in
Title 46 Code of Federal Regulation, Part 28—
Requirements for Commercial Fishing Industry Vessels.

U.S.C.G Auxiliary Fishing Vessel Safety Division
I am 1 of 162 CFVE's (Commercial Fishing Vessel Examiner)
trained and certified by the US Coast Guard
nationwide out of 32,719 Auxiliary members.
I am 1 of 9 CFVE's
out of 1,704 Auxiliary members in Dist 13 (WA, OR, ID, MT).

So you see I have 1st hand, on the job, experience with being on boats in harbors.

And it does not cost you anti military types one taxpayer dollar.

Feel free to ping your lists,
both PRO MILITARY and ANTI MILITARY"


AMEN and THANK YOU for your service!!!!!


408 posted on 09/23/2005 10:57:17 AM PDT by Linda1956 ("Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"but if they're wantonly harassing people on their boats late in the evening"

And you have conducted your own investigation?

You just didn't read the media "account" did you?

Bet you are a big Dan Rather fan uh.


409 posted on 09/23/2005 11:03:31 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (SEMPER PARATUS -- ALWAYS READY)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"I see you Law & Order "conservatives" wasted no time in showing up. I'm sure that when heavily armed men start ordering you and your family about on your own boat and invade these premises after lying their way on board, you'll roll over and submit, eh?"

You're damn right, because I have nothing to hide!!! I don't have a boat, but any Feds who want to take a look inside my house, I'll open the door and welcome them in to look all they want!

In MY opinion, the ones who are whining and crying just don't get it. If you have nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about. I'm GLAD they're checking things out now! I'd have LOVED for that yellow belly Klintoon to have used the information from Operation Able Danger and KICKED ATTA'S DOOR IN!!!!!!! If the chicken had any huevos besides what he showed to Monica, thousands of people would STILL BE ALIVE!!!!!!!!!


410 posted on 09/23/2005 11:07:07 AM PDT by Linda1956 ("Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13)
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To: Linda1956
If you have nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about.

"If you have done nothing wrong, comrade, then you have nothing to fear."
- Lavrenti Pavlovich Beria (1899 - 1953), chief of the Soviet Secret Police (NKVD) under Stalin

Lavrenti Beria was one of the cruelest leaders in a regime known for its brutality. He first reached a position of power by working his way up the police organization in the Soviet republic of Georgia. In 1938, Soviet leader Joseph Stalin summoned him to Moscow to work as the deputy to the chief of the Soviet secret police (NKVD). Within months the chief had disappeared and Beria had replaced him. During the purges of the 1930s, many Soviet leaders issued lists of people they wanted arrested and shot, but Beria may have been the only one who personally got involved in torturing his victims. It is said that he invented the saying "Comrade, if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear," a line spoken with heavy irony by NKVD officers as they took political prisoners into custody during Stalin's purges.

411 posted on 09/23/2005 11:21:50 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: bunches; OneLoyalAmerican; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"My boy, Mike, (Coast Guard Petty Officer) says his unit averaged 25 "saves" or more per day, 12 hours a day, for 6 days during the Katrina rescue. And he was only one of many rescue units."

As was FReeper OneLoyalAmerican, a Master Chief in the USCG

Tell Mike I said
Thank You for your sevice to our country.

Tolerance Sucks Rocks : You are way out of line.

You owe the entire US Coast Guard an apology, now.


412 posted on 09/23/2005 11:29:52 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (SEMPER PARATUS -- ALWAYS READY)
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To: freeeee

"Lavrenti Beria was one of the cruelest leaders in a regime known for its brutality. He first reached a position of power by working his way up the police organization in the Soviet republic of Georgia. In 1938, Soviet leader Joseph Stalin summoned him to Moscow to work as the deputy to the chief of the Soviet secret police (NKVD). Within months the chief had disappeared and Beria had replaced him. During the purges of the 1930s, many Soviet leaders issued lists of people they wanted arrested and shot, but Beria may have been the only one who personally got involved in torturing his victims. It is said that he invented the saying "Comrade, if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear," a line spoken with heavy irony by NKVD officers as they took political prisoners into custody during Stalin's purges."

This ain't the USSR. You don't get it.


413 posted on 09/23/2005 11:36:54 AM PDT by Linda1956 ("Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper
I should have said it's just one more reason that I no longer own a boat.

Owning a boat is a lot like standing naked in a cold shower tearing up $50.00 bills. Unless of course one owns a sailboat. Then it's a lot like standing naked in a cold shower ripping up $100.00 bills.

L

414 posted on 09/23/2005 11:44:48 AM PDT by Lurker (Reality cannot be changed by wishful thinking, good intentions, or legislation.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Oh my goodness...that isn't a dare is it? Okay, here it goes,

"that again"

There, I said it.


415 posted on 09/23/2005 11:48:34 AM PDT by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child...at conception.)
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To: SaltyJoe

Thank you :~D


416 posted on 09/23/2005 11:50:32 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Linda1956
This ain't the USSR.

That's my point.

A nation is not flag.
Nor is it a piece of land.

A nation is defined by its actions. The USSR, through its actions defined itself as an authoritarian nation: suppression of dissidents, restriction of movement, and a profoundly noticible lack of rights afforded its citizens, among other things.

In the USSR, there was no 4th Amendment, no rights against warrantless search and seizure. When in public, or anytime for that matter, when confronted by government officials for any reason, or no reason at all, Russians had to produce papers, answer questions, submit to searches. There was no right of refusal, and no recourse. Russians who didn't like it could try to leave.

If we behave in this manner we will be the same. Even if we still call it the USA. Even if "our guys" wear different uniforms, speak different languages, and like country music.

So you are right. This is not the USSR. It is the United States of America!

And in the United States of America we are most decidedly NOT detained by armed agents of the state absent probable cause or search warrant.

Defining characteristics make nations what they are. When we act like communists, we ARE communists.

417 posted on 09/23/2005 11:53:07 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The man complaining, Jones said, "I wouldn't question their professionalism,

In other words they were treated fine by Coast Guard. Polite and with professionalism. They weren't roughed up, banging down the door, or treating them badly. Some of you ran with this story and are exaggerating/adding points that are just not there and that's just wrong.

418 posted on 09/23/2005 11:54:05 AM PDT by GodBlessUSA (US Troops, past, present and future, God Bless You and Thank You! Prayers said for our Heroes!)
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To: freeeee

Did you read all of my original post about Operation Able Danger?


419 posted on 09/23/2005 11:55:10 AM PDT by Linda1956 ("Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; bunches; OneLoyalAmerican
You owe the entire US Coast Guard an apology, now.

I think the ones who owe the entire US Coast Guard an apology are certain of their membership who give that fine organization a black eye by harassing people at 10:30 at night. Inspecting boats for explosives to prevent bridges from being blown up is one thing, but harassing people late at night WITHOUT TELLING THEM THE NATURE OF THEIR BUSINESS is entirely another.

But, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe some people think I'm smearing the entire organization. To you people, I do apologize and thank you for serving our country. However, there's no way in hell I'm apologizing to those people who find no problem whatsoever with harassing people for no stated reason. And the Coast Guard would do well to dismiss the likes of them.

Oh, and I'm not some anti-military leftist moonbat, if that's what you're thinking. I went to my high school reunion a few weeks ago and I damn well thanked those people there that I knew served our country. And I'm damn sure that not a one of them was ever like the JBTs that form the subject of this news article.

420 posted on 09/23/2005 11:55:56 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, grow up!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"I think the ones who owe the entire US Coast Guard an apology are certain of their membership who give that fine organization a black eye by harassing people at 10:30 at night. Inspecting boats for explosives to prevent bridges from being blown up is one thing, but harassing people late at night WITHOUT TELLING THEM THE NATURE OF THEIR BUSINESS is entirely another."

Your proof, other than a "media" article?

The "media" also says we torture "detainees" in Gitmo and Iraq
421 posted on 09/23/2005 12:01:54 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (SEMPER PARATUS -- ALWAYS READY)
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To: freeeee
This is an instance where there are only 2 boarding complaints. Another article covering this said, 99% of the people gave positive responses. It was the safest Labor Day Weekend they have had in a long time.

You are exaggerating and embellishing situations that didn't take place in this story.

422 posted on 09/23/2005 12:03:22 PM PDT by GodBlessUSA (US Troops, past, present and future, God Bless You and Thank You! Prayers said for our Heroes!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

You are exaggerating and embellishing situations that didn't take place in this story.


423 posted on 09/23/2005 12:06:26 PM PDT by GodBlessUSA (US Troops, past, present and future, God Bless You and Thank You! Prayers said for our Heroes!)
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To: Linda1956
Did you read all of my original post about Operation Able Danger?

Yes. My point stands.

424 posted on 09/23/2005 12:08:51 PM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
You started the tone with...

Seems the jackboots are out in all their goose-stepping glory...

425 posted on 09/23/2005 12:09:16 PM PDT by GodBlessUSA (US Troops, past, present and future, God Bless You and Thank You! Prayers said for our Heroes!)
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To: GodBlessUSA
This is an instance where there are only 2 boarding complaints. Another article covering this said, 99% of the people gave positive responses.

Rights are measured by popular opinion?

426 posted on 09/23/2005 12:10:55 PM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: freeeee
You measure it by unpopular opinion. No rights were trampled on. They knocked at the door. The man invited them in.

I do not go by 2 complaints and make the conclusions you have. The Coast Guard has the right. I do not pretend to know, as you do, the entire circumstance and reasoning behind this boarding at the late hour.

Coast Guard didn't harass. The guy invited them in. As the person who complained said, he could not complain of their professionalism. I can't emphasize that enough. They were not mistreated in any way.

427 posted on 09/23/2005 12:22:54 PM PDT by GodBlessUSA (US Troops, past, present and future, God Bless You and Thank You! Prayers said for our Heroes!)
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To: Thud
The Coast Guard has many legitimate reasons for inspecting fishing boats, including for firearms.

Soooo, the 2nd Amendment (as well as the 4th) doesn't apply to the CG...

428 posted on 09/23/2005 12:44:58 PM PDT by MRMEAN (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of congress;but I repeat myself. Mark Twain)
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To: GodBlessUSA

Perhaps you should read post #152.


429 posted on 09/23/2005 12:52:13 PM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: R. Scott

Its the same type of thing with Coast Guard officers in charge of LEDETs that are using naval vessels as platforms. It is not a violation of Posse Comatatus when a Coastie is in charge of the LE ops (even though he is military, his main mission is law enforcement) when he is riding on a Navy Frigate or destroyer sailing hundreds of miles out to sea enforcing U.S. Laws and Treaties. Its the Coast Guard doing the boarding, NOT the Navy.

This very rerason is why you will find Coasties working hand in hand with almoast every department of the Federal Govt. When it comes to the long arm of the law at sea, the Coast Guards jurisdiction is unmatched.


430 posted on 09/23/2005 12:58:49 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Its only funny till someone gets hurt, Then its HILARIOUS.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Ramius
Ramius, don't know if you are on this thread or not, I haven't read through the replies yet.

I have long understood that the USCG has boarding rights on US registered vessels anywhere in the world.

The one time I was boarded by the Coast Guard, about fifteen miles out from Miami, the boarding crew, who came aboard wearing flak vests and carrying side arms, were extremely polite and professional. Since Miami is a major smuggling port, the boarding wasn't really unexpected and I can't say I really minded.

Regarding other waterborne authorities, I have heard that US Customs agents can be pretty rough and I know that National Park Rangers can be rude, but the USCG has a good reputation. I will say that their choice in this case of boarding at 22:30 hours was kind of ill advised and unnecessary.
431 posted on 09/23/2005 1:09:18 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality - Miami)
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To: Sam Cree

Knowing that LE is the afterthought and every present job of evry Coastie out there, after driving the small boat, maintaining the engineering plant, sopping up the bilges, finishing up one of several mounds of paperwork on the last SAR case, and whipping the Auxiliarist at ping pong on the rec deck, I can assure you the jack-booted thug mentality was in the boaters mind only. They wouldnt have been there at 2330 withjout a damn good reason. Coasties dont have situation rooms where we sit around and plan daring night raids on unsuspecting civilians for the fun of it. No, they didnt have to tell the boater why they were boarding, just that he was being boarded.


432 posted on 09/23/2005 1:17:26 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Its only funny till someone gets hurt, Then its HILARIOUS.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Even most folks I boarded didnt realize the big difference between standing on terra firms and standing on a floating platform, registered (or not) in a navigable water of the United States. (even when tied to the pier).

The Coast Guards enforcement powers were designed, and rightly so, long ago and are exactly as they should be. The boarding officer has the right to look in every space on the vessel that could hold a person, and to have all the firearms on board accounted for....and yes the semi auto's are going to get a function check to insure they are semi-auto, all the weapons will be called in and checked if they are stolen, as well as the id's of everyone on board.

These are the rules you have to follow folks. Just as you make yourself aware of your rights and obligations to drive a car and what to expect when you are puilled over for speeding, If you have a boat in U.S. waters, you better know your rights and responsibilities that go along with it.

Hey Tonk, that ping pong jab was meant for you!


433 posted on 09/23/2005 1:20:47 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Its only funny till someone gets hurt, Then its HILARIOUS.)
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To: freeeee

"Did you read all of my original post about Operation Able Danger?
Yes. My point stands."

If it's ok with you that Klintoon didn't stop Atta et al on 9/11, then I guess we have nothing further to discuss.


434 posted on 09/23/2005 1:27:34 PM PDT by Linda1956 ("Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13)
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To: Delta 21

Yeah, after I posted, I was thinking, the CG guys here may have had info that we don't know about that justified that after dark boarding.

All my contacts with USCG have been positive, and go back quite a few years. I used to go to sea professionally, so have had to come in contact with them if only for the purpose of acquiring proper licensing, which is also in their bailiwick.

My first inclination, based on experience, is to give the Coasties, not the other guys, the benefit of the doubt. There is a definite "brotherhood" among sailors, I have always considered the Coasties to be senior members of it.

As to the whether they should have the powers they do RE boarding, that's another issue. Guess I'm going to read through the thread and see what opinions might be offered. The first 100 posts did reveal lots of ignorance.


435 posted on 09/23/2005 1:33:49 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality - Miami)
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To: Delta 21

If the Founding Fathers could see us now.


436 posted on 09/23/2005 1:34:33 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"To me it reeks of Nazi Germany and the death squads in Argentina," he said. "I don't want my name on their list."




Why not? If you haven't done anything wrong...not to worry.


437 posted on 09/23/2005 1:36:15 PM PDT by maineman
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To: 43north
Most of those young coasties wouldn't know what to do if they had to use those weapons. THAT is what makes me nervous. Soldiers are forced to patrol live fire zones like NOLA w/o mags but these guys roam around marinas and boats where there are LOTS of tripping hazards. Were their weapons loaded? This is a disaster waiting to happen. My boat was once boarded by a USCG search party for a "Safety Inspection" while I was cruising along in Valdez, AK. The poor lad who had to climb from the inflatable into my boat had on a Sam Browne with a .45 auto, two spare mags, flashlight, handcuffs, radio, etc. and was wearing a PFD. He'd have still sunk pretty fast had he fallen in. Posting HTML

You underestimate the professionalism of these young men. They are trained day in and day out. Even the most seasoned veteran can make a mistake. The gear is for protection and enforcement. The PFD is for the safety of both of you.

These men and women do work in order for you the boater to be safe and live through an emergency. If you spent some time with the organization you would understand. I bet your opinion would be a little different towards these sailors if you found your self in the water miles from land.

I know you would because I rescued my fair share of boaters who thought they knew everything right up until their nostrils were level with the water. As a former coastie I take offense to your remarks as well as others on this topic.

438 posted on 09/23/2005 1:38:10 PM PDT by New Perspective (Proud father of an 22 month old son with Down Syndrome)
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To: Nov3; The_Media_never_lie
If you ( The_Media_never_lie) were around in 1776 you would be for the British.

Good observation, in fact that is true for a lot of posters on this and a lot of other threads; their ideology is deference to authority.

439 posted on 09/23/2005 1:42:29 PM PDT by MRMEAN (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of congress;but I repeat myself. Mark Twain)
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To: R. Scott

The Coast Guard authority was given them back when rum, sugar, & slaves were the enemy. Its one of the few things that hasnt been convoluted since then. One this single issue, I hope they would still be proud. It works just as good today as it did at its inception.


440 posted on 09/23/2005 1:42:46 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Its only funny till someone gets hurt, Then its HILARIOUS.)
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To: GladesGuru

Every one of my contacts with the USCG have been positive. OTOH, I've run accross some Everglades National Park Rangers who were both rude and ignorant. Not exactly jack boots, but just not very nice. I don't think they were that way 30 years ago.


441 posted on 09/23/2005 1:43:42 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality - Miami)
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To: Lurker
Owning a boat is a lot like standing naked in a cold shower tearing up $50.00 bills. Unless of course one owns a sailboat. Then it's a lot like standing naked in a cold shower ripping up $100.00 bills.

Touche'
I never said it was inexpensive. (although I do have a fondness for the "naked" part)

442 posted on 09/23/2005 1:43:49 PM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: Sam Cree
The first 100 posts did reveal lots of ignorance.

I think we set a record with this thread! !

443 posted on 09/23/2005 1:44:27 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Its only funny till someone gets hurt, Then its HILARIOUS.)
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To: freeeee

These people said yes to searches. If they say no, the CG can get a warrant, then board. I can just imagine the tone the CG was greeted with by these people. I agree, 10:30pm is very late- I would have been upset too. But the CG isn't out there because they had nothing better to do. How do we know they didn't have a tip that something might happen that night?

And, how about applying the 4th Amendment to everyone else so they can be safe and secure? The war on terrorism must not be predictable nor complacent.


444 posted on 09/23/2005 1:44:46 PM PDT by DilJective (Proudly serving in the US Army - opinions are my own.)
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To: Sam Cree

Ranger Randy has acquired machine guns - now he is a member of the Armed and Rangerous.

You might like the latest issue of eco-logic, found at freedom.org. Look for an article called The Morning After The night Before. It is about one of the Armed & Rangerous.

http://www.eco.freedom.org/el/20050902/jacobson.shtml


445 posted on 09/23/2005 1:54:11 PM PDT by GladesGuru ("In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles)
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To: MRMEAN

I suggest you take that up with Alexander Hamilton the next time you see him.


446 posted on 09/23/2005 2:03:07 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Delta 21; OneLoyalAmerican; CedarDave; Coastie; sargunner; hedgetrimmer

I just finished designing this site, from "my bright idea",
after getting the "Official" OK from Dist 13 top CFVE's i.e.


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US Coast Guard District 13
and
Commercial Fishing Vessel Safety Coordinator
US Coast Guard Sector Seattle WA
and
Commercial Fishing Vessel Safety Coordinator
US Coast Guard Sector Portland OR


Commercial Fishing Vessel
Safety Examiners Association

http://www.cfvsea.com/

This is not an official US Coast Guard
or Department of Homeland Security sponsored website.

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who's sole purpose is promoting
Commercial Fishing Vessel Safety for both
Documented and State Registered Vessel's
engaged in Commercial Fishing in the United States

CFVSEA.com contributors are composed of
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Coast Guard employees and Coast Guard Auxiliary members
who conduct courtesy fishing vessel safety dockside exams.

The information and links are provided by CFVSEA.com are for reference only.

We do not have any input, nor do we update,
any official US Coast Guard, Department of Homeland Security,
NOAA, FCC, or any other local or state
government websites.

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447 posted on 09/23/2005 2:04:31 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (SEMPER PARATUS -- ALWAYS READY)
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To: R. Scott
"If the Founding Fathers could see us now."

That would signify that they are still alive. lol

448 posted on 09/23/2005 2:07:29 PM PDT by verity (Don't let your children grow up to be mainstream media maggots.)
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To: Jack Black

There is a difference between a house and a boat- one can't move around. A warrant makes sense.....for a house that doesn't float into our country in the middle of the night. Do you really think that the CG should call back to a judge just to board a boat for a five minute inspection? Should they get warrants for every boat, or just not the whiners' boats?


449 posted on 09/23/2005 2:38:39 PM PDT by DilJective (Proudly serving in the US Army - opinions are my own.)
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To: Mount Athos
Isn't it more than a little insane to compare this to death squads in argentina? Such whining!

Indeed. These guys have a right to be upset if they want, but they sound like smartass snots to me.

450 posted on 09/23/2005 2:45:29 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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