Skip to comments.Boat owners say they were fearful during Coast Guard search
Posted on 09/22/2005 2:42:37 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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"Jones said he and his wife were sleeping when they were awakened by knocking on the side of the boat."
The hour suggests a safety check was the justification and that they were looking for something else. There is a difference between 6-8 pm, and after 10 pm.
An El Al security specialist said that the Transportion Department's airline security check procedure was not effective save as a system for annoying people.
Coast Guard searches like this one - late at night as opposed to 6 am - 8 pm - arouse hostility and resistance by the law-abiding, and so are detrimental to real security.
At 10:30 pm that excuse does not wash. It immediately invites disbelief, derision and hostility.
Well, at least two of us agree on this. Good grief, everything from the administration is compared to Nazi's. It appears this nation learned nothing from 911, including many around this place.
It is a federal regulation. Marinas get complaints from neighboring landowners about violations of it.
It's been legal since about 1792. Maybe earlier.
What can I say? You SAILORS are a different breed. If I had a dollar for every sailor plucked from the ocean by the USCG I'd be a rich man. See, some of us power-boaters know you can do everything right and still be in mortal danger and there's only one organization that will assist no matter what the conditions.
Gee, this sounds like a typical day for the Florida Marine Patrol. God love em.
That's also why it would not be done lightly or without a pretty good reason. There was something else going on. I don't believe that this dude's story is the whole story.
The story indicates a different but still familiar pattern - somone was using his official power to express personal issues.
I supect what may be happening is that the Homeland Security Department's newness has resulted in less effective oversight of problem people.
10:30 pm says a lot.
Thanks ... That's a Formula Fastech 382 ... twin 500HP EFI's. GPS says I hit 81.7 MPH in it last week. I went 152 miles and burned 180 gallons of gas .... You have a very Formula too You built it ? Wow ... very nice
Boy oh boy Tonk, this article just opened up a whole truckload of idiots.
Next they will want to disarm citizens and police officers.
Boy, I love it when stupid just shines right out in the open.
I'll bet you all the liberal beer drinkers and just out right drunks didn't think twice about doing as they were asked, an M16 and 50 Cal will do that to you, don't you know. Hell some of those low life's may even have thought to say yes sir.
Gpd bless our BRAVE troops serving here and overseas, and the people who slame them can go wallow in SH**, where they belong.
I also have a 30 foot Magic offshore for grocery getting. It does about 75 mph but doesn't have all the creature comforts that the Formula has. The Formula has two big beds air conditioning refrig flushing john shower flat screen etc. It an 80 MPH floating condo
While A$$ kissing certainly isn't required... I'm very surprised to see the level of hatred for the USCG that I've seen so far on this thread. It's discouraging.
There are few examples of any agency that does *more* with *less* and does it with uncommon professionalism, than the U.S. Coast Guard. The NYPD is a larger organization than the USCG, and they must patrol an area many thousands of times larger. Yet they seem to do a pretty damn fine job of it.
I agree. Typically, they don't board docked boats. At 10:30 at night, I think there is a very good possibility that something else is going on that's not in the story.
The Coast Guard has many legitimate reasons for inspecting fishing boats, including for firearms.
Exactly. Also that their problem people are no longer supervised.
Or they may have oily bilge buildup
Something else was going on. See No. 154.
What happened... a coastie run off with your girlfriend or something? :-)
Yes, she's a Formula Liberator (If you read Formula's history on it's web page they mention this boat). I completely gutted it and rebuilt it from scratch with my own two hands over 4 years. She's my pride and joy... The pic is old and needs updating.
He wouldn't question their professionalism. So it's apparent they were not rude nasty or the Nazis, not you, but some on this thread have suggested.
I knew one like that, but he was the only one. The rest I liked a lot.
154... I don't think so.
I think its just some dude that got busted some time back... and now he's got it in for the coasties.
Waking people up at 10:30 PM and coming armed on their boat for a "safety" search sure sounds jack-booted to me.
Tell that to all the fishermen saved by the USCG during the "Perfect Storm"
Gee, I wonder how they got all those videos?
You got that right!
The short answer is no. I'm on the water alot there and have yet to see a rifle or machine gun on any of the Menemsha Station guys. Sidearms yes.
I just got back from Seattle and I did see a hardbottom zodiac with a machine gun mounted on the bow in Everett harbor.....maybe it's a west coast thing.
Absolutely! Druggies need their beauty sleep! Enforcement of laws should simply shut down at night. Too dark and scary to be out at night.
Posted on Tue, Sep. 06, 2005
Coast Guard raids moored harbor vessels
By VIRGINIA HENNESSEY Herald Staff Writer
The Coast Guard boarded and inspected close to 30 vessels, many of them docked, in Monterey Bay over the Labor Day weekend in a operation that raised the eyebrows of some local boaters and the ire of one.
The operation -- conducted in conjunction with the Monterey County Sheriff's Office, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration -- netted one arrest in Moss Landing Harbor and terminated the voyages of five vessels that were deemed unsafe.
In all, 28 boats, many of them live-aboard vessels that were moored in the harbors, were boarded and 31 citations were issued. One angry boater said Coast Guard officers came aboard his boat in Moss Landing Harbor late Friday citing authority under the Patriot Act.
In an e-mail to The Herald, Lowell Jones of Moss Landing said the Coast Guard did a "blanket boarding" in the harbor, "searching boats, and invading people's privacy at 10:30 p.m. They justified this intrusion by citing the Patriot Act.
"The locals are not happy, and the boating community as a whole has expressed concerns over privacy relating to such dockside boardings of legal live-aboard residents," he wrote.
Coast Guard officials said the operation was not in response to any particular law enforcement report and that search warrants are not required for such inspections.
"It wasn't a drill. But it wasn't in response to any Homeland Security threat we received," said Gabriel Flesher, chief of the Coast Guard's San Francisco division, which oversees Homeland Security issues in the area. "The exercise was developed as a random operation with local law enforcement agencies (and) we have the authority to board dockside."
Lt. Todd Moe of the Coast Guard's Monterey division said the operation was directed at boating safety during the busiest boating weekend of the year and was authorized under maritime law dating to the 1700s, which gives the Coast Guard jurisdiction over federal waters, including waterways that lead to the open seas.
Jon Copley, chief of the Coast Guard's law enforcement division in San Francisco, said he would be "very surprised" if one of the agency's officers cited the Patriot Act.
The U.S. Code allows the Coast Guard to "make inquiries, examinations, inspections, searches, seizures, and arrests upon the high seas and waters over which the United States has jurisdiction, for the prevention, detection, and suppression of violations of laws of the United States. For such purposes, commissioned, warrant, and petty officers may at any time go on board of any vessel subject to the jurisdiction... of the United States, address inquiries to those on board, examine the ship's documents and papers, and examine, inspect, and search the vessel and use all necessary force to compel compliance."
Moe said "99 percent of the feedback" he'd received was positive and that the operation resulted in the safest Labor Day on record on the Monterey Bay. The Coast Guard was called out to only one incident.
Safety violations that were cited included boats lacking floatation and fire-extinguishing devices and proper documentation. Moe said he did not know the identity of the one man who was arrested by the Sheriff's Office possession of marijuana and an illegal weapon. The deputies involved in the arrest were not available on Tuesday.
Harbormasters in Monterey, Moss Landing and Santa Cruz said they were not notified in advance of the operation. Moss Landing Harbormaster Linda McIntyre said she supports the Coast Guard's efforts to improve safety on the bay, but added that she'd never known the agency to do "door-to-door" inspections of docked vessels.
She said she had received complaints by some residents, but heard others praise the guard.
Monterey Harbormaster Steve Scheiblauer said in his 30 years as a harbormaster in Monterey and Santa Cruz, he'd never heard of any law enforcement agency randomly searching vessels being used as homes. Like several other harbormasters, Scheiblauer was under the impression the Coast Guard's blanket boarding authorization applied only to vessels that were underway.
"That is, on the face of it, pretty preposterous. They can board boats when they're underway. But when a boat is tied up, particularly as a residence, I don't think there's any probable cause to go aboard and search. As a random search, that would be very controversial, I would think, among the public."
Kimbra Eldridge, operations manager of the Santa Cruz Harbor, said her agency does not board boats "unless we have a particular cause."
Reports of the Coast Guard's operation also came as a surprise to Eric Endersby, chief harbor patrol officer in Morro Bay Harbor.
"The Coast Guard has the authority to board any vessel that's underway," he said. "But boats in slips are not underway and my understanding was the Coast Guard didn't have authority to board a boat that's tied up in a slip."
"That's a little scary," he added.
Andy Turpin, senior editor at Latitude 38, a widely read sailing magazine in Marin County, said Coast Guard boardings in the San Francisco Bay Area were an "accepted annoyance."
"It's common to be boarded and it's something you have to put up with," he said.
The practice was even more common during the height of the "zero tolerance" drug wars, he said, but even then, the Coast Guard did not randomly board docked boats.
"I have never heard of that happening up here," he said. "Before 9/11, when they had a little more time on their hands, they would come to a marina and offer free safety inspections and give you a sticker to keep you from being boarded on your Sunday sail."
Virginia Hennessey can be reached at 646-4355 or firstname.lastname@example.org
Blue Water Golden Shellback Bump
Yeah and maybe they can quarter some troops at your house!
And where did you get the info that these people were druggies?
Should they search YOUR house at night while you are trying to sleep?
Probably not - but not to worry they're called federal waters too.
Those LE officers who do their job well earn my respect. I'll admit it.
Hey slick you evidently think this is doing their job well.
Pitiful plum piiiitiful.
If you were around in 1776 you would be for the British.
There are plenty of Coastie shellbacks, golden dragons, and golden shellbacks. Perhaps you're not familiar with where the larger cutters go. ...and unlike their Navy counterparts... they go alone. :-)
I see that you are a kindred soul of the distressed boater in the main article.
Where is there HATE for the Coastguard in any of my comments? (Those other folks just hate "JBT"/LEOs no matter what uniform they wear.)
I am an ex-USN Bluewater Shellback.
I operated with Coasties in Vietnam.
I've fished all commercial species of Alaska, from Dixon Entrance to the Slime Bank, to the Chukchi Sea, Kings and Opilio Crabs out of Dutch Harbor in November, to drifting 100 fathoms in the Kuskokwim in the summer.
I know the Coastguard, and they know me.
Hate has nothing to do with it.
But quit trying to blow Coastie recruiting smoke up my kilt.
Inter-service rivalry seems to distress some of the little ol civilian ladies who have nothing else to worry about.
I regret that, deeply.
Yes, I'm sure it was JUST like that...
I'm not saying these people were druggies. I don't know. There's a lot we don't know about this story. But if there were some reason to conduct the boarding, should they just let them sleep in?
22 1/2 years in and it still doesnt suprise me that the majority of people have absolutly no idea what the Coast Guard does on a daily basis.
see post #241
reapply as needed
see post #241
reapply as needed
Back at cha brother.
I don't know that there's HATE in your comments specifically, but there certainly is on this thread.
I think the coasties in this story are being unfairly painted and I'm rising to their defense. That's all.
I too have spent a lot of time in the gulf of Alaska, the Bering and above the arctic circle. I've been to Dutch, and St Paul, and Adak and lots of other places. I know what an eighty foot wave looks like up close and personal. :-)
There once was another group that felt the same way, but they at least were honest about it. They flew the "Jolly Roger".
Perhaps the coast guard should readopt this old symbol.
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