Skip to comments.Rep. Ernest Istook Trails Gov. Brad Henry By Only 8 Points In Latest Poll
Posted on 09/22/2005 5:46:32 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
Istook finished the strongest but would not win, according to the poll. In that race, Henry would beat Istook 44 to 36 percent.
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Istook has made a very good record in Congress, and has the potential to be the Mark Sanford of Oklahoma.
"A pig is a pig no matter who's pigpen it's in." Ernest Istook, 1992.
I can't believe the Hill published this sentence without a smiley face somewhere around. Is it April 1st?
An incumbent manages a whopping 44%, and they're saying this poll shows Istook can't win. O-tay 'Panky!
Good point. An incumbent polling only 44% is in trouble.
If Istook does run, word has it that Lieutenant Governor Mary Fallin will succeed Istook in Congress.
My prediction is that Ernest will beat Henry. The Coburn grassroots people are anxious to oust Henry and are already offering to volunteer.
Ernest was there for Dr. Tom when he ran and you can take it to the bank that a lot of us on the Dr. Tom bandwagon will be there for Ernest. The so-called powers said that Dr. Tom would lose to the Dem Carson and he won big. If all of us in the grassroots get out working for Ernest like we did for Dr. Tom, then Henry who received 43% of the vote in 2002 will be history.
BTW, Ernest is the person who single handedly stopped Bill Clinton from getting the fancy office in NYC and Bill had to move to Harlem for his office. He was the Chair of the subcommittee that received the Clinton request for the big fancy offices and made sure it didn't happened.
Rumor is that our Lt Governor Mary Fallin will be in the race for the 5th District Congressional seat which would be AWESOME! She would be a great addition to the Congress.
Rumor has it that the announcement will be coming shortly! Was on a conference call about his decision several weeks ago and everyone was very positive about him running. The folks from SE Oklahoma were very excited to have another conservative running for Governor.
How about October 3rd and 4th for two announcements. Might as well add more to the rumor mill -- State Rep and Speaker of the House Todd Hiett for Lt Governor.
This gives us a strong ticket here in OK!
"An incumbent polling only 44% is in trouble."
See my replies in #4 and #5. This may be a rumor from the Hill but will be a fact on 3 October and 4 October -- two announcements and two great candidates. Logo for Istook is awesome.
I hope you're right and Istook beats Henry and sweeps Hiett into office as well. I'm still recovering from J.C. Watts backing out of the gubernatorial race.
I'd like to see Joe Allbaugh run for Governor but doubt that will happen.
"The folks from SE Oklahoma were very excited to have another conservative running for Governor.:
And non-Oklahoman Freepers are excited for you and cheering your cause on!
Mary Fallin is a rock ribbed conservative -- she would be an awesome addition to the Congress. She is not afraid to take on anyone to stand up for what she believes. Ask the RATs in the OK Senate! :)
Henry is beatable -- when the Tulsa World already has a phoney poll out for Henry, you know he is in trouble. He might have to start getting up earlier now with a real opponent instead of sleeping in until noon. No meetings are scheduled in the morning but he usually sleeps in and then is always late. Bill Clinton wannabe in more ways than one too!
You make an interesting point about the religious angle. But heavily Baptist Oklahoma elected Dewey Bartlett (1972) and Don Nickles (1980, 1986, 1992, & 1998), who are Roman Catholic.
If they were right, Oklahoma would be represented by Brad Carson in the US senate.
As much as some ignorant Baptists may dislike Catholics, I think ignorant Baptists dislike Mormons a lot more. Mormons probably face more prejuidice than any other Christian denomination in America (actually, one of the bones of contention for Mormons is that many Christians do not consider Mormons to be Christians). If Istook runs, he will need a widescale voter education campaign so that conservative voters don't take any biases into the voting booth.
I think religious voters need to concentrate on the candidate's issue positions, not his religion. It's a shame, for example, that Kerry got over 40% of the Catholic vote in spite of his pro-abortion, anti-family views; I'm sure a lot of these votes came from Catholics who wanted to "vote for one of their own." I wish communities of faith did more to educate believers regarding how deeds are more important than religious labels.
BTW, I think Baptists for the most part are quite accepting of Catholics; I'm a Catholic, and have Baptists have never been anything but warm and cordial to me, and my (Catholic) aunt teaches at a Baptist university and lives in a predominantly Baptist community and has never had any trouble (except a few polite smiles when she asked at a get-together if they had any beer).
Ernest graduated from Baylor University -- that should help him with the Baptist.
Am so glad that we have someone like Ernest to get behind because when J.C. dropped out, I wasn't too happy with the people we had running. When I heard about Ernest getting in the race I felt a whole lot better.
"Ernest graduated from Baylor University -- that should help him with the Baptist."
"Mary Fallin is a rock ribbed conservative -- she would be an awesome addition to the Congress."
I also hope the primary field is cleared for her, as long as it's not done in a heavy-handed way.
GOP State Representative Kevin Calvey is also considering running if Istook leaves.
A lot of the grassroots that I heard on the phone were Baptists from SE OK -- several were ministers. He converted due to his marriage is what I heard. He is still a very proud Baylor grad. His daughter and my son graduated from OU in 2004 because we were part of the group that could not make the State GOP Convention in 2004.
His pro-life stand will overcome Henry's pro-abortion stand in the minds of most Baptist IMHO. My State Rep is Morman and this district is heavily Baptist but he continually beats the Dems because of his strong pro-life/family values stance.
We have a Baptist pro-abortion, trial lawyer for Governor in a conservative state thanks to that independent Richardson who is now a Republican once again. Did I mention Richardson was Gov Keating's former law partner and a lot of folks thought he ran against Largent as an Indy because Largent didn't endorse Keating's wife for Congress.
I would bet that Mary will beat anyone opposing her for that seat. She just spoke at our first Cleveland County GOP Luncheon last week and it was evident if you read between the lines of what she said she was going to run for the 5th District. She will be a terrific addition to the Congress.
Heard Kevin Calvey, a House Rep, from Del City is considering running but I don't see anyone beating Mary. I don't know any Republicans that don't like her -- Senate Dems really don't like her which is a real plus as they are on the endangered list! :)
"A lot of the grassroots that I heard on the phone were Baptists from SE OK -- several were ministers."
When Cathy Keating lost the primary, they blamed it on Largent. Lost a lot of respect for the Keatings over that one. Keating tried to get Largent to leave earlier then he did as well. It got really nasty and Keating was not very visible during the Governor's race either.
Can someone fill me in on the dynamics of the 2002 Governor's race?
Steve Largent was a conservative. I don't understand why opposition arose in the form of an Indepdendent conservative candidate.
Did Largent run a bad campaign for Governor? He had loads of name ID and for lack of a better word - celebrity status - because of his years in the NFL.
It is my understanding they place their emphasis on principles, rather than playing the game.
I have different theological views for sure, but I look at positions on the issues when it comes election time. I am concerned with government policy, and I will vote for people who will support the policies I a agree with.
Please don't characterize Baptists as "ignorant". There are ignorant people in every religious faith.
Actually, I think the Baptist attitude toward us Mormons is softening somewhat. Falwell used to say "Mormons are going to hell." Now, I think he says something like, "Mormons are nice people. Too bad they're going to hell." LOL.
I didn't characterize Baptists as ignorant, I merely stated that "ignorant Baptists" (a minority of the Baptist population, to be sure) dislike Mormons even more than they do Catholics, and thus Governor Henry may lock up the "ignorant Baptist" vote. My aunt is a Catholic who teaches at a Baptist college, so I'm well aware of the fact that most Baptists are just as tolerant as are all other Christians.
Wow! This really confused me until I looked at the date.
1. The cock-fighting initiative was on the ballot. Rural Oklahomans who are old southern Democrats (and don't realize that their party has been hijacked by Socialists and Communists) got out to vote in high numbers to vote against the ban. While there they checked the straight line party ticket. BTW, Oklahoma is the only state where the cities are more Republican than the rural areas (with some exceptions in far west Oklahoma).
2. A conservative 3d party candidate got 19% of the vote. He was a spoiler (understatement).
It was a perfect storm politically speaking. It took some freak circumstances for Largent top lose. He really should have run again this time. He would win IMO.
That certainly does explain how Largent lost.
I remember back on Election Night '02, asking myself "How the hell did Largent lose that race?!"
Thank you for the info.