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Rep. Ernest Istook Trails Gov. Brad Henry By Only 8 Points In Latest Poll
The Hill ^ | September 22, 2005

Posted on 09/22/2005 5:46:32 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

Istook finished the strongest but would not win, according to the poll. In that race, Henry would beat Istook 44 to 36 percent.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: bradhenry; election2006; ernestistook; istook; oklahoma; polls

1 posted on 09/22/2005 5:46:38 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: PhiKapMom; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; Kuksool; Dan from Michigan; Coop; ken5050; votelife; ...

Istook has made a very good record in Congress, and has the potential to be the Mark Sanford of Oklahoma.

"A pig is a pig no matter who's pigpen it's in." Ernest Istook, 1992.


2 posted on 09/22/2005 5:51:27 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Jeanine Pirro for Senate, Hillary Clinton for Weight Watchers Spokeswoman)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Istook finished the strongest but would not win, according to the poll.

I can't believe the Hill published this sentence without a smiley face somewhere around. Is it April 1st?

An incumbent manages a whopping 44%, and they're saying this poll shows Istook can't win. O-tay 'Panky!

3 posted on 09/22/2005 6:04:47 PM PDT by Coop (FR= a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop

Good point. An incumbent polling only 44% is in trouble.

If Istook does run, word has it that Lieutenant Governor Mary Fallin will succeed Istook in Congress.


4 posted on 09/22/2005 6:08:41 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Jeanine Pirro for Senate, Hillary Clinton for Weight Watchers Spokeswoman)
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To: Clintonfatigued

My prediction is that Ernest will beat Henry. The Coburn grassroots people are anxious to oust Henry and are already offering to volunteer.

Ernest was there for Dr. Tom when he ran and you can take it to the bank that a lot of us on the Dr. Tom bandwagon will be there for Ernest. The so-called powers said that Dr. Tom would lose to the Dem Carson and he won big. If all of us in the grassroots get out working for Ernest like we did for Dr. Tom, then Henry who received 43% of the vote in 2002 will be history.

BTW, Ernest is the person who single handedly stopped Bill Clinton from getting the fancy office in NYC and Bill had to move to Harlem for his office. He was the Chair of the subcommittee that received the Clinton request for the big fancy offices and made sure it didn't happened.

Rumor is that our Lt Governor Mary Fallin will be in the race for the 5th District Congressional seat which would be AWESOME! She would be a great addition to the Congress.

Rumor has it that the announcement will be coming shortly! Was on a conference call about his decision several weeks ago and everyone was very positive about him running. The folks from SE Oklahoma were very excited to have another conservative running for Governor.


5 posted on 09/22/2005 6:12:46 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Allen in 2008)
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To: Clintonfatigued

How about October 3rd and 4th for two announcements. Might as well add more to the rumor mill -- State Rep and Speaker of the House Todd Hiett for Lt Governor.

This gives us a strong ticket here in OK!


6 posted on 09/22/2005 6:14:31 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Allen in 2008)
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To: Clintonfatigued

"An incumbent polling only 44% is in trouble."



As a general rule, yes. I don't think Brad Henry got more than 44% last time, but was able to win by a nose because a conservative third-party candidate ran very strongly, especially in rural areas. Ernest Istook would be a strong candidate, but we must recall that his potential Senate race was not viewed positively by many pundits in 2004, partly because, as a Mormon, he may be vulnerable in heavily Baptist rural areas.

I still think that former Senator Don Nickles would be our strongest candidate to beat Henry (especially since our other really strong candidate, former Congressman J.C. Watts, decided against running).


"If Istook does run, word has it that Lieutenant Governor Mary Fallin will succeed Istook in Congress."


Is she a good conservative? We can certainly use more conservative women in Congress. In any event, the district is very Republican (although not nearly as Republican as before 2002 redistricting) and suburban Oklahomans are not about to elect a Democrat.


7 posted on 09/22/2005 6:16:14 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: Coop

See my replies in #4 and #5. This may be a rumor from the Hill but will be a fact on 3 October and 4 October -- two announcements and two great candidates. Logo for Istook is awesome.


8 posted on 09/22/2005 6:17:31 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Allen in 2008)
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To: PhiKapMom

I hope you're right and Istook beats Henry and sweeps Hiett into office as well. I'm still recovering from J.C. Watts backing out of the gubernatorial race.


9 posted on 09/22/2005 6:18:33 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: PhiKapMom

I'd like to see Joe Allbaugh run for Governor but doubt that will happen.


10 posted on 09/22/2005 6:18:34 PM PDT by maxter
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To: PhiKapMom

"The folks from SE Oklahoma were very excited to have another conservative running for Governor.:

And non-Oklahoman Freepers are excited for you and cheering your cause on!


11 posted on 09/22/2005 6:20:31 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Jeanine Pirro for Senate, Hillary Clinton for Weight Watchers Spokeswoman)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Mary Fallin is a rock ribbed conservative -- she would be an awesome addition to the Congress. She is not afraid to take on anyone to stand up for what she believes. Ask the RATs in the OK Senate! :)

Henry is beatable -- when the Tulsa World already has a phoney poll out for Henry, you know he is in trouble. He might have to start getting up earlier now with a real opponent instead of sleeping in until noon. No meetings are scheduled in the morning but he usually sleeps in and then is always late. Bill Clinton wannabe in more ways than one too!


12 posted on 09/22/2005 6:20:56 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Allen in 2008)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

You make an interesting point about the religious angle. But heavily Baptist Oklahoma elected Dewey Bartlett (1972) and Don Nickles (1980, 1986, 1992, & 1998), who are Roman Catholic.


13 posted on 09/22/2005 6:26:35 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Jeanine Pirro for Senate, Hillary Clinton for Weight Watchers Spokeswoman)
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To: Clintonfatigued

If they were right, Oklahoma would be represented by Brad Carson in the US senate.


14 posted on 09/22/2005 6:37:00 PM PDT by Clump
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To: Clintonfatigued

As much as some ignorant Baptists may dislike Catholics, I think ignorant Baptists dislike Mormons a lot more. Mormons probably face more prejuidice than any other Christian denomination in America (actually, one of the bones of contention for Mormons is that many Christians do not consider Mormons to be Christians). If Istook runs, he will need a widescale voter education campaign so that conservative voters don't take any biases into the voting booth.

I think religious voters need to concentrate on the candidate's issue positions, not his religion. It's a shame, for example, that Kerry got over 40% of the Catholic vote in spite of his pro-abortion, anti-family views; I'm sure a lot of these votes came from Catholics who wanted to "vote for one of their own." I wish communities of faith did more to educate believers regarding how deeds are more important than religious labels.

BTW, I think Baptists for the most part are quite accepting of Catholics; I'm a Catholic, and have Baptists have never been anything but warm and cordial to me, and my (Catholic) aunt teaches at a Baptist university and lives in a predominantly Baptist community and has never had any trouble (except a few polite smiles when she asked at a get-together if they had any beer).


15 posted on 09/22/2005 6:43:44 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Ernest graduated from Baylor University -- that should help him with the Baptist.


16 posted on 09/22/2005 6:58:15 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Allen in 2008)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Am so glad that we have someone like Ernest to get behind because when J.C. dropped out, I wasn't too happy with the people we had running. When I heard about Ernest getting in the race I felt a whole lot better.


17 posted on 09/22/2005 7:01:01 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Allen in 2008)
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To: PhiKapMom

"Ernest graduated from Baylor University -- that should help him with the Baptist."



If I'm not mistaken, Istook converted to Mormonism relatively late in life. Perhaps he was a Baptist when he attended Baylor. Could he be more vulnerable to bias from certain sectors because he left the Baptist denomination to join the Mormon Church?

I'm not from Oklahoma, am not a Baptist, and would have no problem supporting a Mormon candidate if he's a good conservative such as Istook. But I recall some FReepers posting that some Oklahoma Republicans were concerned that if Istook ran for the Senate he could lose a portion of the rural Baptist vote because of his religion. My point is that if Istook's religion was deemed in 2004 to be potentially problematic among certain voters, Istook and his supporters need to work proactively to assure those voters that Istook shares their values.

While Brad Henry may be vulnerable in 2006, he will not be a pushover, especially in rural areas. We need to minimize as much as possible the number of Bush-voting conservatives that vote for Henry, and rural areas will be the number-one battlefield. Istook needs to be prepared to fight and fight hard.


18 posted on 09/22/2005 7:31:30 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: PhiKapMom

"Mary Fallin is a rock ribbed conservative -- she would be an awesome addition to the Congress."



That's great to hear. I hope they clear the primary field for her---OKC conservatives have plenty of other offices to run for, and a conservative woman who has been elected statewide is an ideal candidate for the House (and, eventually, the Senate).


19 posted on 09/22/2005 7:33:53 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I also hope the primary field is cleared for her, as long as it's not done in a heavy-handed way.

GOP State Representative Kevin Calvey is also considering running if Istook leaves.


20 posted on 09/22/2005 7:36:24 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Jeanine Pirro for Senate, Hillary Clinton for Weight Watchers Spokeswoman)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

A lot of the grassroots that I heard on the phone were Baptists from SE OK -- several were ministers. He converted due to his marriage is what I heard. He is still a very proud Baylor grad. His daughter and my son graduated from OU in 2004 because we were part of the group that could not make the State GOP Convention in 2004.

His pro-life stand will overcome Henry's pro-abortion stand in the minds of most Baptist IMHO. My State Rep is Morman and this district is heavily Baptist but he continually beats the Dems because of his strong pro-life/family values stance.

We have a Baptist pro-abortion, trial lawyer for Governor in a conservative state thanks to that independent Richardson who is now a Republican once again. Did I mention Richardson was Gov Keating's former law partner and a lot of folks thought he ran against Largent as an Indy because Largent didn't endorse Keating's wife for Congress.


21 posted on 09/22/2005 7:38:56 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Allen in 2008)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I would bet that Mary will beat anyone opposing her for that seat. She just spoke at our first Cleveland County GOP Luncheon last week and it was evident if you read between the lines of what she said she was going to run for the 5th District. She will be a terrific addition to the Congress.

Heard Kevin Calvey, a House Rep, from Del City is considering running but I don't see anyone beating Mary. I don't know any Republicans that don't like her -- Senate Dems really don't like her which is a real plus as they are on the endangered list! :)


22 posted on 09/22/2005 7:42:56 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Allen in 2008)
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To: PhiKapMom

"A lot of the grassroots that I heard on the phone were Baptists from SE OK -- several were ministers."



That's great to hear. Baptist ministers will be key to our efforts to counter the RAT whispering campaigns about Istook's "un-Christian religious rituals" and such (and believe me, the RATs will come out shooting---you should look into the kind of tripe that Ted Kennedy has said about Mitt Romney, a lifelong Mormon). If Baptist ministers tend to their flock, those attacks against Istook will fall on deaf ears.


"Did I mention Richardson was Gov Keating's former law partner and a lot of folks thought he ran against Largent as an Indy because Largent didn't endorse Keating's wife for Congress."


I didn't know that. Mrs. Largent lost that primary fair and square, and a friend of hers seeking vengeance upon Largent was completely uncalled for, especially since it resulted in 4 years of a RAT in the governorship.


23 posted on 09/22/2005 8:42:12 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

When Cathy Keating lost the primary, they blamed it on Largent. Lost a lot of respect for the Keatings over that one. Keating tried to get Largent to leave earlier then he did as well. It got really nasty and Keating was not very visible during the Governor's race either.


24 posted on 09/22/2005 9:34:28 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Allen in 2008)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; All

Can someone fill me in on the dynamics of the 2002 Governor's race?

Steve Largent was a conservative. I don't understand why opposition arose in the form of an Indepdendent conservative candidate.

Did Largent run a bad campaign for Governor? He had loads of name ID and for lack of a better word - celebrity status - because of his years in the NFL.


25 posted on 09/23/2005 7:00:15 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: AuH2ORepublican
It would be a great thing for the state were the Istook-Coburn wing of the GOP to become ascendant.

It is my understanding they place their emphasis on principles, rather than playing the game.

26 posted on 09/23/2005 7:25:38 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country" -- Mitt Romney)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
I am an evangelical Christian who has associated himself with the Southern Baptist Convention for years. I don't "dislike" Catholics or Mormons.

I have different theological views for sure, but I look at positions on the issues when it comes election time. I am concerned with government policy, and I will vote for people who will support the policies I a agree with.

Please don't characterize Baptists as "ignorant". There are ignorant people in every religious faith.

27 posted on 08/30/2006 11:18:08 AM PDT by Clump
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Actually, I think the Baptist attitude toward us Mormons is softening somewhat. Falwell used to say "Mormons are going to hell." Now, I think he says something like, "Mormons are nice people. Too bad they're going to hell." LOL.


28 posted on 08/30/2006 11:21:43 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: Clump

I didn't characterize Baptists as ignorant, I merely stated that "ignorant Baptists" (a minority of the Baptist population, to be sure) dislike Mormons even more than they do Catholics, and thus Governor Henry may lock up the "ignorant Baptist" vote. My aunt is a Catholic who teaches at a Baptist college, so I'm well aware of the fact that most Baptists are just as tolerant as are all other Christians.


29 posted on 08/30/2006 11:22:26 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Wow! This really confused me until I looked at the date.


30 posted on 08/30/2006 11:25:15 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: MplsSteve
Largent lost for two reasons (and only by 5 to 7 thousand votes).

1. The cock-fighting initiative was on the ballot. Rural Oklahomans who are old southern Democrats (and don't realize that their party has been hijacked by Socialists and Communists) got out to vote in high numbers to vote against the ban. While there they checked the straight line party ticket. BTW, Oklahoma is the only state where the cities are more Republican than the rural areas (with some exceptions in far west Oklahoma).

2. A conservative 3d party candidate got 19% of the vote. He was a spoiler (understatement).

It was a perfect storm politically speaking. It took some freak circumstances for Largent top lose. He really should have run again this time. He would win IMO.

31 posted on 08/30/2006 11:26:45 AM PDT by Clump
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To: Clump

Interesting.

That certainly does explain how Largent lost.

I remember back on Election Night '02, asking myself "How the hell did Largent lose that race?!"

Thank you for the info.


32 posted on 08/30/2006 12:49:06 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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