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Thousands of Californians protest Iraq war
ap on Monterey Herald ^ | 9/24/05 | ap - Los Angeles

Posted on 09/24/2005 8:33:53 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

LOS ANGELES - Drums pounded, voices boomed and whistles shrieked as thousands of demonstrators marched in the shadows of downtown skyscrapers Saturday to protest America's involvement in Iraq, one of several California demonstrations on a day of protests across the country.

The crowd, a mix of people ranging from mothers pushing baby strollers to spiky haired punk rockers, chanted for an end to the bloodshed and waved signs that said, "Who would Jesus have bombed?" and "War is not the answer."

Police closed a downtown street to accommodate the protest, which they said drew an estimated 15,000 people. Protests across the country - including one in Washington, D.C., that was the largest in the capital since the U.S. invasion - came at a time when public support for the war and the Bush administration have been slipping.

"We went to Iraq to bring them peace and we are killing them, enslaving them," said demonstrator Arline White, 41, of suburban Monrovia. "We should start a gradual withdrawal of troops, but we've left a mess."

In San Francisco, several thousand protesters packed Dolores Park for an anti-war rally late Saturday morning, chanting slogans and waving signs that read "U.S. Out of Iraq," "Impeach Bush" and "How Many Lives Per Gallon?"

Protester Helen Lin, 23, of San Francisco, said she was discharged from the California National Guard last year because she refused to go to Iraq. Wearing a camouflage military uniform and a sign that read "I didn't sign up for this," she said she opposed the war.

The war "is for all the wrong reasons," Lin said. "The troops should be brought home now. Many of my battle buddies have already died. I don't think they should have gone to begin with."

Carilyn Goldammer of Arcata, 57, an elementary school teacher, said, "I think it's important that we show our numbers. Our government and our senators need to know that we don't want this war. There's no real reason for it."

In San Diego, more than 2,000 protesters marched through downtown to a city park where they displayed mock coffins commemorating the deaths of Iraqi civilians and white crosses to represent fallen American soldiers. A small group of counter-protestors turned out to support the war.

Linda Tubach, 52, a high school teacher who took part in the Los Angeles demonstration, was being pulled around by her Dalmation, which was festooned with a large, spotted peace medallion to match the dog's black-and-white coat.

"I would like to see immediate withdrawal and reparations paid to the Iraqi people," said Tubach, who said she visited Iraq in 2001 on a medical aide mission. "We attacked a defenseless country."

The marches were largely peaceful, although two people were arrested in Los Angeles detained for vandalism.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; californians; iraq; lefties; protest; thousands
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1 posted on 09/24/2005 8:33:54 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Funny how 15,000 people in a state of 33 million is considered a big deal.


2 posted on 09/24/2005 8:36:24 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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Protester Helen Lin, 23, of San Francisco, said she was discharged from the California National Guard last year because she refused to go to Iraq. Wearing a camouflage military uniform and a sign that read "I didn't sign up for this," she said she opposed the war.

But, she took the money and benefits right up to moment she was asked to honor her oath of enlistment.

3 posted on 09/24/2005 8:37:22 PM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: NormsRevenge


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4 posted on 09/24/2005 8:37:48 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: NormsRevenge

These people don't have a clue - nary a clue - that this sixties mindset doesn't fly outside of their own little circle....they're hurting their cause yet they can't help it (kinda like the 'gay pride parade' crowd which shreiks the demands to be treated as mainstream, yet come nightfall show up in their boas and fishnet stockings).


5 posted on 09/24/2005 8:38:21 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Cindy, ya shoulda stuck with "offshore drilling" as your cause)
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To: Racehorse

I know people who joined up for the benefits, but none of them refused to be deployed.


6 posted on 09/24/2005 8:39:42 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: NormsRevenge

And in other news, millions of people in the rest of the country DID NOT take to the streets and bash America.

It must really suck for the moonbats. They're trying their best to surpass the big demonstrations of the 1960's but they aren't even coming close.


7 posted on 09/24/2005 8:39:51 PM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: coconutt2000

the ap hacks are working overtime to put lipstick and rogue on this pig called anti-war and acting like it sells.

I don't think so.

If the same "peace" crowd had prevailed in WW2, we'd all be speaking German.. or at this rate,
Arabic soon enough.


8 posted on 09/24/2005 8:39:53 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Who would Jesus have bombed?"

Well smarty pants hypocrites.

Who are the babies Jesus would ABORT.

Freaks.

Dumb Freaks

Dumb, dumb and dumber freaks.

9 posted on 09/24/2005 8:43:14 PM PDT by A message (The Democrat party platform is NOT in the mainstream. It is just foolish.)
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To: coconutt2000
I wonder how many fine, upstanding Californians are serving in Iraq?
Each on of them is worth 15,000 protesters.
10 posted on 09/24/2005 8:43:32 PM PDT by msnimje (Hurricane KATRINA - An Example of Nature's Enforcement of Eminent Domain)
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To: coconutt2000
Who would Jesus have bombed?

I don't know, but he drowned the entire world except for eight people.

11 posted on 09/24/2005 8:43:35 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: NormsRevenge

These people remind me of nightclubbers - when they wake up in the morning they'll be hungover and looking over at the ugly POS partner they just screwed.


12 posted on 09/24/2005 8:45:03 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: D Rider

Beg pardon?


13 posted on 09/24/2005 8:45:16 PM PDT by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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To: A message
Who are the babies Jesus would ABORT.

Exactly, bro. This is why I find these protesters (quite a few of them where I live) angering instead of just disgusting. They dare call Bush and conservatives murderers while it's obvious that they support child murder.

14 posted on 09/24/2005 8:46:55 PM PDT by Tim Long
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To: coconutt2000

Sixties wannabees with a few aging hippies tossed in.


15 posted on 09/24/2005 8:48:39 PM PDT by Mears (The Killer Queen)
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To: D Rider

Didn't Jesus send something like 15,000 pigs flying over the edge of a cliff?


16 posted on 09/24/2005 8:48:57 PM PDT by Mrs. Shawnlaw (Rock beats scissors. Don't run with rocks. NRA)
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To: decal
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God....and the word was made flesh and dwelt among us..

If the word was God and the word was Christ, then Jesus and God are one. If they are one, then Jesus drowned the entire world except for eight people.

17 posted on 09/24/2005 8:55:34 PM PDT by D Rider
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18 posted on 09/24/2005 8:56:41 PM PDT by martin_fierro (|\/|4R71|\|_P|-|13RR0)
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To: coconutt2000
I know people who joined up for the benefits, but none of them refused to be deployed.

So do I.  Lots of them. That's why the Helen Lins anger me so much.  Fortunately, there are not that many.

OTOH, watching the participation of the Guard in New Orleans brought back a pleasant memory or two.  I spotted a captain I interviewed following his enlistment.  His goal was to use his Montgomery G.I. Bill to earn his degree, earn his commission, and make a military career with the Guard.  Glad to see he made it.

19 posted on 09/24/2005 8:56:42 PM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: A message
"Who would Jesus have bombed?"

Probably Palestinians, Syrians and anyone trying to destroy Israel...

20 posted on 09/24/2005 9:02:12 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: A message
"Who would Jesus have bombed?"

Probably Palestinians, Syrians and anyone trying to destroy Israel...

21 posted on 09/24/2005 9:02:14 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: NormsRevenge

"I would like to see immediate withdrawal and reparations paid to the Iraqi people," said Tubach, who said she visited Iraq in 2001 on a medical aide mission. "We attacked a defenseless country."

I'm going to throw up.


22 posted on 09/24/2005 9:04:23 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: D Rider

So we're all related through eight people, eh?

What's your stand on incest?


23 posted on 09/24/2005 9:04:55 PM PDT by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw
Didn't Jesus send something like 15,000 pigs flying over the edge of a cliff?

I'm not the one to ask. The only way I can tell the difference between a pig and a liberal, is that pigs are labeled either Hormel or Jimmy Dean. So sure, those 15,000 squealers that ran off a cliff might have been pigs.

24 posted on 09/24/2005 9:08:45 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: NormsRevenge

"We don't want this war". OK, get word to Bin Laddie, he'll roll in a New York minute. That's all it takes, qumquat.


25 posted on 09/24/2005 9:10:16 PM PDT by Waco
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To: NormsRevenge

I'm not impressed. 15,000, if we believe MSM accounts that always inflate their numbers, is still not impressive in California.

Over 50 million voted for Kerry, right? Where are they?

It's not going to work this time AP. If you want an anti-war movement you are going to have to do a lot better then this, and get some real citizens active in it. Not the freaks on display in your average bash Bush/bash America/bash Jews etc. rallies.


26 posted on 09/24/2005 9:10:39 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Barbour/Honore in '08)
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To: NormsRevenge

How many times that went to go see college football games today?


27 posted on 09/24/2005 9:12:16 PM PDT by dfwgator (Flower Mound, TX)
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To: decal
So we're all related through eight people, eh?

What's your stand on incest?

Not really applicable since re-population was from the families of 3 brothers. Whats your stand on marriage?

28 posted on 09/24/2005 9:14:18 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: D Rider
Do you really believe 6 BILLION people of all races came from three families less than six thousand years ago, WITHOUT incest?

I'm all for marriage, hoss, but I'm dead set against folk tales being passed off as history.
29 posted on 09/24/2005 9:17:33 PM PDT by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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To: decal
I'm all for marriage, hoss, but I'm dead set against folk tales being passed off as history.

I doubt you know any more about marriage than you do about incest.

First The flood was before the law was given. Second, well... read Leviticus Chapter 18 for yourself.

Third, I don't think that you don't believe in Jesus any more than the person carrying the sign "Who would Jesus have bombed?", which explains your silly comments.

30 posted on 09/24/2005 9:24:53 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: D Rider
I don't think that you don't believe...

Should read :I don't think that you believe...

Sorry for the tpyo.

31 posted on 09/24/2005 9:27:48 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: D Rider

I'm married, happily so.

I can do basic math, which is apparently beyond you.

Three families don't make 6 billion descendents in 6000 years (you undoubtedly believe in creationism as well).

I believe in Christ's divinity, which is why any talk about His drowning the population of the world (except for eight closely-related people) is, well, let's just say it's "counter-intuitive" - that's much nicer than saying it's wickedly foolish.


32 posted on 09/24/2005 9:33:48 PM PDT by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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To: decal
I can do basic math, which is apparently beyond you.

Three families don't make 6 billion descendents in 6000 years (you undoubtedly believe in creationism as well).

You just showed yourself to be out of your league here. Assuming a reproductive generation of 30 years, and an average of 4 children you would have 6 billion people in under 900 years. This excludes war disease, famine, ...etc. Do the basic math.

33 posted on 09/24/2005 9:46:41 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: NormsRevenge
[...chanted for an end to the bloodshed and waved signs that said, "Who would Jesus have bombed?" and "War is not the answer."]



I have ONE question that I've been asking every person who tells me that this war in Iraq was wrong, and I would like to ask all of these "pacifists" banging their bongos in the street and waving their "war is not the answer" signs that same question.



Where were you when Bill Clinton sent the U.S. military to Kosovo to kill tens of thousands of people with bombs and missiles, without the approval of the United Nations, for the sole purpose of ousting the dictator Slobodon Melosevic?


I've never received an answer from any of these self proclaimed "pacifists" but I know the answer anyway because I remember seeing and hearing them in the news during and after Bill Clinton's war in Kosovo.

They were busy sitting on their asses watching CNN during the war in Kosovo, applauding the screen and saying to themselves and anybody else within earshot "Thank GOD for Bill Clinton that he has so compassionately brought freedom and liberty to an oppressed people and helped make the world a safer and more secure place.

Now they have the nerve to oppose this war for no other reason than that THEIR favorite politician isn't around to receive credit for liberating oppressed citizens from a brutal dictator who murdered a million innocent people.

I have contempt for such hypocrisy and am ashamed that they are my fellow citizens in this country which USED to have more sense and wisdom and morality than this.
34 posted on 09/24/2005 9:54:56 PM PDT by spinestein (Forget the Golden Rule. Remember the Brazen Rule.)
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To: D Rider

Ping to see if he answers.


35 posted on 09/24/2005 9:55:15 PM PDT by winodog (We need to pull the fedgov.con's feeding tube)
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To: D Rider
Why on earth would we "exclude war, disease, famine,...etc"?

And you're still ignoring the point that with only 3 families around to breed you run into more first-cousin marriages than the Hapsburgs ever had (with the consequent problems that interbreeding is known to have).

All cheetahs are genetically identical due to their forced interbreeding:

"The current theory is that they became inbred when a "natural" disaster dropped their total world population down to less than seven individual cheetahs - probably about 10,000 years ago. They went through a "Genetic Bottleneck", and their genetic diversity plummeted. They survived only through brother-to-sister or parent-to-child mating."

http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s40791.htm

Which brings up another point: if there WAS an ark, why aren't all the other land animals in the same boat?

And of course there's the four-word question that creationists have never bothered to answer...
36 posted on 09/24/2005 10:02:28 PM PDT by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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To: D Rider

Ping

That has to be the quote of the day.


37 posted on 09/24/2005 10:10:29 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: NormsRevenge

15,000? Is that all? Whatever...poor misguided ignorant souls.


38 posted on 09/24/2005 10:12:18 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: decal
Why on earth would we "exclude war, disease, famine,...etc"?

I don't know. Why would I assume a 30 year reproductive generation, or only 4 children per family?

Also, the first cousin problem disappears in generation 2 or 3 at the latest. By the way, your the one that suggested doing the math, what would your assumptions be? (I'll do the math for you if you would like.)

I really like the way you twisted this discussion, which was one on morality and the stupidity of the protesters, into something you even know less about. Very clever of you. I can tell you are a new timer.

39 posted on 09/24/2005 10:12:21 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: AliVeritas

I wish I had come up with your tag line.


40 posted on 09/24/2005 10:15:22 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: spinestein
Where were you when Bill Clinton sent the U.S. military to Kosovo to kill tens of thousands of people with bombs and missiles, without the approval of the United Nations, for the sole purpose of ousting the dictator Slobodon Melosevic?

YES!! I use this statement all the time when confronted by the "peace loving" hypocrites.

I say to them BEFORE a discussion on the Iraq campaign. Were you in favor of the operation in Serbia and Kosovo?

If they say Yes. Then I say we have nothing to discuss over Iraq. The operation is the same.

If they say No. Then we can have a discussion. And depending on their point of view. I may just have to respect that.

41 posted on 09/24/2005 10:17:59 PM PDT by A message (The Democrat party platform is NOT in the mainstream. It is just foolish.)
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To: D Rider
Who would Jesus have bombed?

I don't know, but he drowned the entire world except for eight people.

Well, you can take that up with Him when you see Him.

42 posted on 09/24/2005 10:24:58 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (The modern Democratic Party: Attacking our defenders and defending our attackers.)
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To: Christian4Bush
Well, you can take that up with Him when you see Him.

Not me, my arms are too short to box with God.

43 posted on 09/24/2005 10:27:37 PM PDT by D Rider
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"Also, the first cousin problem disappears in generation 2 or 3 at the latest..."

Uh, no, not even close to disappearing. Remember, cheetahs all descend from 7 survivors (with subsequent genetic identity); you're assuming 6 survivors.

That's all - 6 individuals, 3 of whom share genetic material already. I don't care how many bloody kids you assume, the genetic material doesn't increase.

Where did all that OTHER DNA come from? I DO hope you're not suggesting Our Ancestors engaged in bestiality as well as incest.

"I can tell you are a new timer."

Oh, well, "no fool like an old fool"...


44 posted on 09/24/2005 10:32:35 PM PDT by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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To: decal
So are you still working on the math problem?

Thought so.

45 posted on 09/24/2005 10:43:16 PM PDT by D Rider
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. . . which was one on morality and the stupidity of the protesters, into something you even know less about.

I know its aggravating, but its also a little bit entertaining for some of us looking in at this hour of the morning.  :-)

Why would I assume a 30 year reproductive generation, or only 4 children per family?

Didn't Noah live for another two or three hundred years after the flood, and his sons also?  And, if their sons and daughters also lived very long lives, which some of them were said to have lived, couldn't that have pushed the replacement rate upward somewhat?  Seems pretty quick, if they had a mind to, the population spurt would look just like one of them "J" curves.  :-)

46 posted on 09/24/2005 10:44:03 PM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Racehorse
Didn't Noah live for another two or three hundred years after the flood, and his sons also?  And, if their sons and daughters also lived very long lives, which some of them were said to have lived, couldn't that have pushed the replacement rate upward somewhat?  Seems pretty quick, if they had a mind to, the population spurt would look just like one of them "J" curves.  :-)

Yep, they could. What I really like are first cousin arguments and about genetic material and how it doesn't increase, and so on. When the whole argument of evolution is that it does. Anyway the contradiction is well worth the chuckle.

47 posted on 09/24/2005 10:52:41 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: D Rider

Still believing that Jesus Christ is a mass murderer?

I thank MY God that I don't worship YOUR God.


48 posted on 09/24/2005 10:53:44 PM PDT by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Peace, babay,
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Yeah, and peace on you too
49 posted on 09/24/2005 11:22:47 PM PDT by Old Seadog (Birthdays start out being fun. But too many of them will kill you..)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hmmm, providing for open elections is enslaving? What a moroon...


50 posted on 09/25/2005 12:18:49 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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