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U.S. troops clash with Shi'ite militia in Baghdad
Reuters | September 25, 2005

Posted on 09/24/2005 11:33:23 PM PDT by HAL9000

BAGHDAD, Sep 25 (Reuters) - U.S. troops clashed with militia fighters loyal to a rebellious Shi'ite Muslim cleric in eastern Baghdad on Sunday, killing eight militiamen and wounding five, Iraqi police said.

They said U.S. forces entered the poor Shi'ite district of Sadr City seeking to detain a group of militia members suspected of carrying out guerrilla attacks.

The militia, known as the Mehdi Army, is loyal to Moqtada al-Sadr, a young radical cleric whose followers have led two uprisings against U.S. forces.

The U.S. military said it had engaged what it termed anti-Iraqi forces in several locations in the east of the capital for around 1-1/2 hours.

"There were some anti-Iraqi forces killed," a military spokesman said, but gave no details on numbers. He said no U.S. forces were killed or wounded. No militiamen were detained.

British forces say the Mehdi Army was connected to the detention of two British soldiers in the southern city of Basra last week. British troops freed the two using armoured vehicles.

Sadr has a strong following in Baghdad, Basra and other southern cities. Representatives of Sadr's movement could not be reached immediately for comment on the Baghdad clashes.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alsadr; baghdad; iraq; moqtadaalsadr; oif; sadrcity; sadrmilitia; shia; shiite
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To: ukman
You Americans always come in late when the war's nearly fought out

Yes, we were content to watch Neville hyperventilate his way into a war by declaring peace.

Thanks for the smile this morning.

You make it sound like Omaha beach was a cakewalk, and that the battle of the bulge was an afterthought.

21 posted on 09/25/2005 4:09:37 AM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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To: leadpenny

You wouldn't have come in if you hadn't been attacked by Japan. Don't twist the facts.


22 posted on 09/25/2005 4:23:28 AM PDT by ukman
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To: Tom Bombadil

I think you and leadpenny need to read a history book or two about post-WW1 Europe and WW2.

It's hardly my fault if the US military got - shall we be charitable? - unlucky twice. I can think of a few other instances where the US army got its arse kicked. Doesn't mean a thing: every other nation in that war also got its arse kicked, usually more than once, shrugged off its losses and just went on with the job. So what?

If any nation deserves credit for beating the Germans, it was the Soviet Union, followed by the British Empire. However, the Americans did their bit in the end too. Thanks for that. But don't hog the limelight all the time.

Weren't we talking about Iraq?


23 posted on 09/25/2005 4:32:36 AM PDT by ukman
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To: ukman

However and whenever we got there, we, along with the Soviets, saved your bacon.

BTW, if you include my name in a post, include me in the "To:" line.


24 posted on 09/25/2005 4:37:10 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny

So you're conceding that it wasn't just the US that "saved our bacon", and that the US didn't enter the war to help us, but for its own valid reasons. That's fair enough, I suppose.

One could debate the what-ifs all day, but anyway, I have to go now.


25 posted on 09/25/2005 4:49:39 AM PDT by ukman
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To: ukman
I would think we would hear a little less from British twits like you about heavy-handed American tactics after the debacle that has occcurred in Basra. Your country's hands-off approach to the thugs that control Basra has turned into an embarrassment.

As far as WWII is concerned, exactly when is it that we should have declared war on Hitler. Was it when Stanley Baldwin repeatedly failed to respond to Hitler's violations of the Treaty of Versailles. Or was it when Hitler reoccupied the Rhineland and the British and French failed to declare war on Germany as expected by the German High Comman. Or was it after Munich, when Chamberlain snookered Hitler into occupying Czechoslovakia without having to fire a shot. Or was it when the Germans attacked Poland and Britain failed to do anything beyond issuing a declaration of war against Germany. Or was it when the Phony War was occurring between Britain and Germany. Or was it after Dunkirk when through their own inability to respond to Guderian's tactics, the British almost lost their entire expeditionary force.

On the other hand, I have a better idea. Maybe, just maybe Brits should take a deep breath and stop pointing the finger at America when your country is unable to control problems it has let fester in its own backyard

26 posted on 09/25/2005 4:55:59 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: HAL9000
He said no U.S. forces were killed or wounded. No militiamen were detained.

I hope this means what I prefer it means.

27 posted on 09/25/2005 4:57:53 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: ukman

"and that the US didn't enter the war to help us, but for its own valid reasons"

I don't believe I said that.

But, of course, all nations ultimately act in their own self interests. As it turned out, it did keep you from growing up speaking German.

Beyond all, though, you do appear to be drinking the European Mainland Kool Aid.


28 posted on 09/25/2005 5:04:29 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: DCPatriot; ukman

Careful, you'll upset ukman


29 posted on 09/25/2005 5:06:06 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: ukman
I can't remember any apologies from American Christians or their churches for the things done by both Catholic and Protestant terrorists in Ulster.

Drinking so early on a Sunday morning? /sarcasm

30 posted on 09/25/2005 5:10:02 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: ukman

"Weren't we talking about Iraq?"

And another thing - you went off topic first.


31 posted on 09/25/2005 5:15:10 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: ukman

A shower clears the cobwebs.

Do you believe a plane flew into the Pentagon on 9-11?


32 posted on 09/25/2005 5:27:25 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: vbmoneyspender
after the debacle that has occcurred in Basra.

Yes, red faces time in Britain.

Also, the Basra event might be connected to this raid. Relations with the Shia community are under strain.

33 posted on 09/25/2005 5:30:10 AM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: ukman

al-Sadr does not represent the majority of Shiites.

al-Sadr is one guy that is directing the killing of our people.

Hardly a "nuke-em all" statement. al-Sadr is a murdering POS that needs to go. You don't negotiate with murderers you bring them to justice.


34 posted on 09/25/2005 5:47:48 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: ukman

After reading more of your posts I see you're a complete idiot.

I assumed you were intelligent/honest and worthy of response.

My mistake.

I won't waste anymore of my time responding to you.


35 posted on 09/25/2005 5:55:58 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: DB

Isn't that a coincidence? I was just thinking the same thing about you!


36 posted on 09/25/2005 7:35:57 AM PDT by ukman
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To: leadpenny

No, you started first with #14.

And yes, of course I believe a plane flew into the Pentagon on 9/11. So what?


37 posted on 09/25/2005 7:38:15 AM PDT by ukman
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To: vbmoneyspender

No I don't dispute in any way that Basra has gone completely pear-shaped. I understand the local commander has said something along the lines that they would have to go back to square one as regards building up local forces. Can't say that I'm really concerned myself, as the UK troops will reportedly be out of it next year anyway, so the whole Basra area (if not all of Iraq) will come under Iran's control. Regrettable, but then again I feared back in 2003 the whole thing would probably be a fiasco.

As regards WW2, a US entry into the war would have been most welcome on May 10 1940 or soon after,and no later than just after Dunkirk. I quite agree that Britain and France should have marched into the Rhineland in '36, or at least tried to help the Czechs in '38. Both countries misjudged the situation and paid the price. And didn't we just...!

In June 1940 the US thought that Britain had had it (BTW, do you know who the anti-British US ambassador was at that time?). So the US waited to see what would happen, took the UK's gold and also a few British colonies in return for a few old destroyers and 2nd hand weaponry. A very nice deal for it while Britain was on the ropes. It also SOLD us lots of arms (Lend-Lease). Note the emphasis on sold. That debt was only finally paid back a year or two ago. So please don't try to tell me that the US helped us out of the goodness of its heart. Now, I don't mind that so much as the later expectations that GB should be grateful for ever after.

I've no solutions for Iraq by the way. Why should I offer any when I think the whole thing was a mistake in the first place? Neither the UK and the US troops seem to be able to get a handle on things. I await with interest further developments.


38 posted on 09/25/2005 8:02:20 AM PDT by ukman
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To: ukman
I can't remember any apologies from American Christians or their churches for the things done by both Catholic and Protestant terrorists in Ulster.


You probably can't remember people in Ulster shouting the Lord's Prayer while they sawed the head of innocent people. You can't remember protestant and catholic minister urging their congregations to blow themselves up to kill Americans and promising them 72 virgins. You can't remember a Christian head of State, like the Iranian PM, bragging that he has 40,000 suicide bombers signed up. You can't remember the Pope putting out a fatwa of death on anyone. You can't remember a moslem father conducting an honor killing of his daughter because she was raped by her brother. Yep there are a lot of things you can't remember.

Stop Islam Now. It is a Religion of 7th century hate and slavery. Like I have said, show me one, JUST ONE fatwa against Osama like the one that was issued against Rushdie. Among 1 billion moslems, ONE BILLION, not one - Why?
39 posted on 09/25/2005 1:06:15 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: ukman
Neither the UK and the US troops seem to be able to get a handle on things. I await with interest further developments.

"Neither the UK and the US Troops . . ." - you must have meant to say, "nor?"

I've no solutions for Iraq by the way. Why should I offer any when I think the whole thing was a mistake in the first place?

How many anti-US/UK War protests have you attended?

As far as who went off topic first, it appears you not only want to rewrite the history of WWII, you also want to rewrite the history of this thread. Check your post 13.

40 posted on 09/25/2005 2:44:41 PM PDT by leadpenny
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