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To: vbmoneyspender

No I don't dispute in any way that Basra has gone completely pear-shaped. I understand the local commander has said something along the lines that they would have to go back to square one as regards building up local forces. Can't say that I'm really concerned myself, as the UK troops will reportedly be out of it next year anyway, so the whole Basra area (if not all of Iraq) will come under Iran's control. Regrettable, but then again I feared back in 2003 the whole thing would probably be a fiasco.

As regards WW2, a US entry into the war would have been most welcome on May 10 1940 or soon after,and no later than just after Dunkirk. I quite agree that Britain and France should have marched into the Rhineland in '36, or at least tried to help the Czechs in '38. Both countries misjudged the situation and paid the price. And didn't we just...!

In June 1940 the US thought that Britain had had it (BTW, do you know who the anti-British US ambassador was at that time?). So the US waited to see what would happen, took the UK's gold and also a few British colonies in return for a few old destroyers and 2nd hand weaponry. A very nice deal for it while Britain was on the ropes. It also SOLD us lots of arms (Lend-Lease). Note the emphasis on sold. That debt was only finally paid back a year or two ago. So please don't try to tell me that the US helped us out of the goodness of its heart. Now, I don't mind that so much as the later expectations that GB should be grateful for ever after.

I've no solutions for Iraq by the way. Why should I offer any when I think the whole thing was a mistake in the first place? Neither the UK and the US troops seem to be able to get a handle on things. I await with interest further developments.


38 posted on 09/25/2005 8:02:20 AM PDT by ukman
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To: ukman
Neither the UK and the US troops seem to be able to get a handle on things. I await with interest further developments.

"Neither the UK and the US Troops . . ." - you must have meant to say, "nor?"

I've no solutions for Iraq by the way. Why should I offer any when I think the whole thing was a mistake in the first place?

How many anti-US/UK War protests have you attended?

As far as who went off topic first, it appears you not only want to rewrite the history of WWII, you also want to rewrite the history of this thread. Check your post 13.

40 posted on 09/25/2005 2:44:41 PM PDT by leadpenny
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Neither the UK and the US troops seem to be able to get a handle on things.

That must be welcome news to the Al Qeda folks in Tal Afar, Ramadi, Hit and all of the other towns and cities which are being cleaned out right now. According to Bill Roggio (fourth Rail blog) there are some very significant things happening right now.

Come back in 6 weeks or so and tell us whether you think they still don't have a handle on things.

41 posted on 09/25/2005 3:52:53 PM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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