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Police plead for help in duck massacre case
State AP Wire ^ | 09-25-2005 | Associated Press Staff

Posted on 09/25/2005 3:43:14 PM PDT by Amerigomag

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To: tet68
Duck to take stand, testify in murder case.

He won't be able to testify for a while, because he's in recovery.


51 posted on 09/25/2005 9:50:45 PM PDT by JRios1968 (Ok, Children, once again: Read comment...Think...Then post reply...always in that order)
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To: Mrs Mark

OK, I will agree that we should investigate based on destruction of private property. As for killing a few ducks...big deal.


52 posted on 09/25/2005 9:54:33 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Bars4Bill

ROFL at composite sketch.


53 posted on 09/25/2005 9:55:09 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: tubebender; glock rocks

?Albie's?


54 posted on 09/25/2005 9:56:17 PM PDT by ChefKeith ( If Diplomacy worked, then we would be sitting here talking...)
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To: The Antiyuppie
Furthermore, it is a fact that this type of behavior often leads to evem more grizzly behavior, involving people. This person needs to be tried, convicted, and watched very carefully for the remainder of his life.

I have heard this argument, yet I have never seen one documented study or a single fact to back it up. When the guy kills a person call the police. Otherwise, it was just a few ducks (animals-not people). The only reason that it should even be investigated is that apparently according to another post, the ducks were the private property of the car wash owner. So prosecute for destruction of private property-only.

55 posted on 09/25/2005 9:57:21 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: EggsAckley

You have got to be from Mrytle Beach..


56 posted on 09/25/2005 9:58:09 PM PDT by lndrvr1972
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To: md2576

Once you're identified as a conservative on DU, you're gone.


57 posted on 09/25/2005 9:58:26 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: SALChamps03

What is the difference of a car.. I am sure it was a hateful SUV. Or a gun.. Please.


58 posted on 09/25/2005 10:00:06 PM PDT by lndrvr1972
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To: Amerigomag

Had those been geese the FBI would be on the schmoe's tail.


59 posted on 09/25/2005 10:00:50 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: ruoflaw
that man is a monster and it would not surprise me if he came back to finish the job. Where next will he turn his rage? Humans? I hope he doesn't have a wife and kids at his mercy

Please. You don't know this. For all you know, the ducks got in front of the car and wouldn't move. Maybe after a few minutes of this he got tired of it, had to go to work, had to pick up his kid, etc. It was just a few ducks. Bravo Foxtrot Delta.

60 posted on 09/25/2005 10:00:57 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: lndrvr1972
What is the difference of a car.. I am sure it was a hateful SUV. Or a gun.. Please.

I am not sure which point of mine you're trying to refute.

61 posted on 09/25/2005 10:03:42 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Lester Moore

you nailed it


62 posted on 09/25/2005 10:05:35 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Amerigomag

Check to see if any local Chinese restaurants are running a special on Peking Duck.


63 posted on 09/25/2005 10:06:28 PM PDT by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
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To: Williams

How do you know this man isn't guilty of more serious crimes if he's willing to kill animals with a vehicle and with his hands?


64 posted on 09/25/2005 10:16:02 PM PDT by skr
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To: skr

OK, a good point I guess. But now we're worrying about killings of birds. I think police time is better spent on the killings of people, rapes, robberies, etc. The guy may be a total wacko, but my basic point is we are out of wack focusing on animal crimes. This is the result of PETA and animal rights activists and is diverting resources from protecting humans.


65 posted on 09/25/2005 10:26:55 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Cicero
Some fool would misspell it and come up with anuscide (killing some arseh*le).
66 posted on 09/25/2005 10:31:44 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: SALChamps03

He couldn't have been "too late for work" or whatever, if he had time to also get out and chase several ducks down to kill with his bare hands.

As to "no evidence" or "no studies" liking animal cruelty/torture to crimes against human, here's some anecdotal evidence, and a link or two. You can google mre, if you really wish to; this was just a quick, sloppy search to get a few examples. I'm sure if you really wanted to see any evidence, you could easily find it.
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"Some of the most striking evidence for a link between animal cruelty and human violence lies in the case histories of many of the 20th century's most infamous criminals."

"Mass-murderer and cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer killed neighbors' pets and impaled a dog's head on a stick."

"Patrick Sherril, who murdered 14 co-workers and then killed himself, stole pets, then tied them up and allowed his own dog to mutilate them."

"David Berkowitz, the so-called "Son of Sam," shot his neighbor's labrador retriever."

"Albert DeSalvo, the "Boston Strangler," shot arrows into boxes of trapped cats and dogs."

"Brenda Spencer, who fired 40 shots into a crowd of children, murdering 2 and wounding 9, had a history of setting the tails of neighborhood cats and dogs on fire."

"Edmund Emil Kemper III, who murdered his mother and 7 other women, used to abuse cats and dogs."

"Carol Edmund Cole, who murdered 35 people, admitted that his first violent act was strangling a puppy."

"Richard Allen Davis, kidnapper and murderer, doused cats with gasoline and set them on fire."

"Studies of prison inmates reveal that as many as 75% of violent offenders had early records of animal cruelty. There is also a high correlation between family violence and animal cruelty. A study in 1983 of New Jersey families referred to youth and family services for reasons of child abuse reported that 88% of cases had at least one member of the household who physically abused animals. An English researcher found that 83% of families reported for animal abuse also had children listed at high risk of abuse or neglect."

http://www.arkonline.com/violence.html
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“Murderers ... very often start out by killing and torturing animals as kids,” according to Robert K. Ressler, who developed profiles of serial killers for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Studies have now convinced sociologists, lawmakers, and the courts that acts of cruelty toward animals deserve our attention. They can be the first sign of a violent pathology that includes human victims.

Animal abuse is not just the result of a minor personality flaw in the abuser but rather a symptom of a deep mental disturbance. Research in psychology and criminology shows that people who commit acts of cruelty toward animals don’t stop there; many of them move on to their fellow humans.

The FBI has found that a history of cruelty to animals is one of the traits that regularly appear in its computer records of serial rapists and murderers, and the standard diagnostic and treatment manual for psychiatric and emotional disorders lists cruelty to animals as a diagnostic criterion for conduct disorders.

A study conducted by Northeastern University and the Massachusetts SPCA found that people who abuse animals are five times more likely to commit violent crimes against humans. The majority of inmates scheduled to be executed for murder at California’s San Quentin penitentiary “practiced” their crimes on animals, according to the warden.

http://www.helpinganimals.com/a-abuse.html


67 posted on 09/25/2005 10:51:46 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Marching Morons are coming...and they're breeding more Democrats beyond all reason!)
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To: Williams

I agree with you that the police have to be good stewards of their resources. Violence against animals has to be dealt with in appropriate proportion to violence against humans. These ducks apparently rate a bit more attention to their demise, as they were someone's property.


68 posted on 09/25/2005 10:53:34 PM PDT by skr
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To: SALChamps03

Maybe my nick shouldn't have been FRmd2576
lol


69 posted on 09/26/2005 2:01:09 AM PDT by md2576 (DU can keep their ideas underground)
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To: tet68
Witness to testify, identifies killer in car wash lineup!

Q: Is this the Perp?
A: Quack!

Q: Did the Perp. drive this car?
A: Quack!

Q: Are you sure?
A: Quack!

Sorry, I had to. :P

70 posted on 09/26/2005 4:43:29 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: ApplegateRanch
I am sure that there are correlations, but I when I refer to scientific studies, the proof comes with numbers, methodology, and sample sizes. I have looked at studies that purport to prove something, when their methodology doesn't follow the scientific method, their math is wrong, etc. Even if there is a correlation, you cannot assume that this man will automatically kill a human in the future. When the man kills a human being, then we can talk. Everyone who kills an animal will not necessarily kill a human being.

I will give you an example. I had a friend who had a problem with a dog. The dog continuously entered his garage and spread garbage all over. He ran the dog off several times. One day, he found the dog in his garage, hit the button to close the door, and beat the crap out of him. Even this didn't dissuade the dog, because one day he came home from work and the dog was positioned in the gate opening to his pool growling at his mother-in-law and wife. He had finally had enough. He got his shotgun-problem solved. That is how you deal with animals. They are not people.

You don't know whether the man was late for work. Perhaps he didn't want to kill the ducks, but they refused to get out of the way. How long was he supposed to sit there? If he did kill the ducks, which were the private property of the car wash owner just to be killing them, then fine. He can be prosecuted for destruction of private property. I will never support the prosecution of human beings for killing animals in most cases, and here's why.

I don't want people like my friend to go to jail for handling a real problem in the only way that it can be handled. Sure may say that you should call animal control. That rarely helps the matter. They will issue a warning. If you call again, the owner has to go to court, but even that opens up another discussion. I had a nutcase neighbor call animal control about my dog simply because she was angry at me about another matter. I had another neighbor call animal control about my dog even though his dogs freely roamed the neighborhood, and my dog pretty much stayed in the yard.

I place humans on one level, and animals below us. By the way, I have never killed an animal, with the one exception of a very large snake that I shot to protect my family. I am not a hunter, and I do not go out of my way to harm animals. I am not advocating that animals should be treated inhumanely, but we really don't know why the man killed these ducks. Unless we know that he killed them gratuitously, no charges should be brought forth, an then only misdemeanor charges at the most. They are not people.

71 posted on 09/26/2005 7:13:13 AM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: tinamina

Yes - those ducks were great to watch while the car was getting washed. Haven't been there in a couple of years, but I always liked the place. That water did smell funky, tho.


72 posted on 09/27/2005 8:02:09 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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