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To: frithguild
To me, my church and the scriptures are a traditional institution at the center of conservatism.

That would, by definition exclude Jews, Hindus, Bhuddists, Athiests, and Muslems from being what you call conservatives. That's fine if you believe that, but it's only your opinion, peppered with a few select out-of-context verses from your favorite pile of texts. You sir, are free to hate anybody you want. If you do, however, do not expect to accomplish anything or be accepted among true conservatives.

Of course I am - it's a free country, and I want to conserve that tradition. And don't purport to think that your OPINION of conservatism is the mark of true conservatism. It's a much broader word than you would like.

36 posted on 09/26/2005 10:54:28 AM PDT by meyer (The DNC prefers advancing the party at the expense of human lives.)
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To: meyer
It's a much broader word than you would like.

Let's see - I want to pay less for my heating bill so I turn the thermostat down. Does that make me a conservative?

So tell me how conservatism is so broad to include people, like you, who think hate is good or constructive. Cite to any tradition, religion or ethical source you wish.

That would, by definition exclude Jews, Hindus, Bhuddists, Athiests, and Muslems [sic] from being what you call conservatives.

Actually, it doesn't. My original thesis was, "There is never a good enough reason to 'hate' anybody," which referred to ALL ethical standards. I cited to the underpinnings of Judeo-Christian society because my assumption was that you were trying to sell tort reform in the United States through federal legislation by fomenting hate for lawyers. I therefore cited what was most relevant to the largest number of the existing voting US population. So my standard was simply pragmatic. So you can set up a straw man and knock it down all you want, but nobody will be impressed.

I'll bite on your inclusiveness theme. Lets put all the religions you cited within the meaning of a "traditional institution." Putting aside Islam, how do these religions teach that hate is good or constructive?

Answer: They don't.

So alas, anyone is free to hate and feel good about it, just as you are doing, while justifying it through the recreation of any traditional institution standing in the way of feeling good. In the end, such behavior will win over so many, that the trial lawyers will end up thanking you. Conservatives will not.

37 posted on 09/26/2005 11:46:06 AM PDT by frithguild (If I made one mistake, it was that I was too cooperative and waited too long to go on the offensive.)
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