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Muslim Campground Raided, But Why?
The Hartford Courant ^ | September 27, 2005 | GARY LIBOW, Courant Staff Writer

Posted on 09/27/2005 7:14:21 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough

EAST HADDAM -- Around town - and as far away as Tennessee - people are wondering why federal agents seized datashak plants and seeds and 19 computer discs from a Muslim campground in Moodus.

First Selectman Brad Parker said Friday's raid on the 18-acre Town Street campground, owned by Darul Uloom Shady Brook Inc., has the town abuzz. FBI agents and officials from the U.S. Department of Agriculture conducted the raid.

"Out on the street, people don't think that [the federal government] would go to that effort for a spinach plant," Parker said.

A Tennessee-based blog called "Ginny's Thoughts and Things" also seeks answers about the East Haddam raid: "I'm totally confused on this one. Could someone explain this to me?"

The federal Office of Inspector General declined to shed any light Monday, citing an ongoing investigation.

[Excerpted... the litigious ctnow.com is the parent website. Click on link under title to read much more.]

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut; US: Missouri; US: New York; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: agriculture; amaranth; bangladesh; cnim; datashak; doa; farm; fbi; india; iog; jihadinamerica; seeds; usda
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This is a follow-up from a story posted earlier about USDOA-led FBI raid on an abandoned Muslim school / farm.

Interesting reference to a "Tennessee-based" blog, especially by a leftie know-it-all newspaper.

1 posted on 09/27/2005 7:14:25 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: LurkedLongEnough

There is a compound here in Virginia that doesn't allow police inside their facility. If the police want to speak to someone, they have to ask at the gate and wait for the person to be brought to them (if at all).

So far, the police are unwilling to start another Waco over it.


2 posted on 09/27/2005 7:17:37 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
"Out on the street, people don't think that [the federal government] would go to that effort for a spinach plant," Parker said."

Yeah, well I guess the Feds should have run a story in the newspaper detailing exactly what they are looking for and why they decided to look for it in a Muslim owned factory.

4 posted on 09/27/2005 7:18:56 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: LurkedLongEnough

This is who the enemy is. Ignore them at our own peril!


5 posted on 09/27/2005 7:19:24 AM PDT by RightResponse (What if the Left, just got up and .....)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
But....

North American Muslims issued a fatwah !!!

AMERICAN MUSLIMS ISSUE FATWA AGAINST TERRORISM
  Posted by RDTF
On 09/27/2005 8:54:58 AM CDT · 32 replies · 215+ views


Adnki ^ | September 27 | AKI/DAWN
Washington D.C., 27 Sept. (AKI/DAWN) - North American Muslims have issued a religious edict or fatwa against extremism and terrorism to prevent disgruntled Muslims who might be tempted to use their religion to justify violence, says a pamphlet distributed at mosques and other religious places across the United States and Canada.The fatwa has been signed by representatives of more than 250 mosques and Islamic centres and endorsed by over 170 Muslim groups, leaders and institutions. The American fatwa followed a fatwa issued in March by the Islamic Commission of Spain, which declared Osama bin Laden an apostate and urged other...
 

6 posted on 09/27/2005 7:21:05 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: AppyPappy

Where in Virginia(I live there)? Some of us would like to keep an eye on it!


7 posted on 09/27/2005 7:21:26 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Even when a dog discovers he is barking up a wrong tree, he can still take a leak on it!)
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To: freepatriot32

Agri-ping


8 posted on 09/27/2005 7:21:46 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Baynative
hint : "Muslim" Campground


Ding ding ding... we have a winner!
9 posted on 09/27/2005 7:22:08 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

bump


10 posted on 09/27/2005 7:23:06 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: mdmathis6

I think it is called Red Hill. Somewhere in Southside Va.


11 posted on 09/27/2005 7:23:39 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
"Out on the street, people don't think that [the federal government] would go to that effort for a spinach plant,"

One never knows the power of spinach:


12 posted on 09/27/2005 7:23:44 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ('That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy Sheehan")
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To: RightResponse

The Hartford Courant is a liberal rag...the fact that this is going on in my state is quite troubling. I cannot believe that we are NOT racial profiling....and I cannot believe we are NOT shutting down these campgrounds....


13 posted on 09/27/2005 7:24:15 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Muslim Campground Raided, But Why?

Why not?

14 posted on 09/27/2005 7:29:15 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: abbi_normal_2; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; AMDG&BVMH; amom; AndreaZingg; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

List of Ping lists

15 posted on 09/27/2005 7:30:24 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: AppyPappy
There is a compound here in Virginia that doesn't allow police inside their facility. If the police want to speak to someone, they have to ask at the gate and wait for the person to be brought to them (if at all).

I'm sure that every celebrity has a set up like that. It's called private property.

16 posted on 09/27/2005 7:31:33 AM PDT by technochick99 (Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

They was only growin' spinach...yeah, right.

I googled Darul Uloom Shady Brook Inc. and there are several schools in the east named Darul Uloom, including in Pennsylvania and Florida. Is this a summer camp, a madrassa, a training center or what?


17 posted on 09/27/2005 7:31:55 AM PDT by cloud8
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Not when you realize that Memphis is an AlQaueda stronghold in the USA where they can coordinate attacks - Recent arrests include 3 terrorists and not long ago, a woman who was providing all the papers, DL's, etc for the terrorists.

There was an American microbiologist who was mysteriously murdered in the same area.

U.S. NAVY BUPERS is just north of Memphis.


18 posted on 09/27/2005 7:42:04 AM PDT by hombre_sincero (www.spadata.com)
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To: freepatriot32

BTTT


19 posted on 09/27/2005 7:43:35 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: technochick99

That is true of individuals but not communities. Any fraternity member can tell you that. The police can walk right in but they have to stop at the door of each room.


20 posted on 09/27/2005 7:43:55 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Muslim Campground Raided, But Why?

Why not?

21 posted on 09/27/2005 7:45:24 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: hombre_sincero

PS ---

Unlike Washington/Oregon jihad states - Tennessee and Memphis are definitely ANTI-islamic terrorist! - That's why so many there are being caught.

It is the states where there are none caught that I would really start to worry about. We have already been infiltrated and their cells are in every major area in this country.


22 posted on 09/27/2005 7:46:15 AM PDT by hombre_sincero (www.spadata.com)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

The FBI+DOA conducting a raid to confiscate seeds?I'll bet they were interested in more than just seeds.I hope they get usefull info from the computers.IMO,somethins up.


23 posted on 09/27/2005 7:46:51 AM PDT by Thombo2
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To: technochick99
It's called private property.
Virtual HI-FIVE. - Exactly!

I don't allow police inside my home either, and I have nothing to hide. Unless, of course, they show up with a legally issued search warrant.

GE
24 posted on 09/27/2005 7:49:00 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: AppyPappy
There is a compound here in Virginia that doesn't allow police inside their facility. If the police want to speak to someone, they have to ask at the gate and wait for the person to be brought to them (if at all). So far, the police are unwilling to start another Waco over it.

If the police have no probably cause to believe that there are crimes being committed inside and have no warrant, then there's no comparison to Waco.

25 posted on 09/27/2005 7:49:20 AM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF

That's like saying that a policeman cannot walk up to your door. He has to stand at the curb and wait for permission to walk on the lawn.

Policemen walk into apartment buildings all the time.


26 posted on 09/27/2005 7:52:05 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: TomGuy

North American Muslims issued a fatwah !!!
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Only a FOOL would buy into their radicalism.


27 posted on 09/27/2005 7:56:08 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: AppyPappy

"There is a compound here in Virginia that doesn't allow police inside their facility. If the police want to speak to someone, they have to ask at the gate and wait for the person to be brought to them (if at all)."

Wow, sounds just like my house!

I must be a terrorist.


28 posted on 09/27/2005 7:57:31 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

A Muslime campground?

Are they putting up tents and grazing Camels here in the USA?


29 posted on 09/27/2005 7:58:21 AM PDT by Iron Matron
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To: adam_az

There is housing on the grounds. It's like a camp.


30 posted on 09/27/2005 8:06:19 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
I always bring lots of computer disks when I go camping.

Particularly encrypted ones.

31 posted on 09/27/2005 8:08:05 AM PDT by Jim Noble (In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: AppyPappy

"There is housing on the grounds. It's like a camp."


There is housing on my property too!

And I don't let Police in without a warrant!

Wow, I must be a terrorist!


32 posted on 09/27/2005 8:32:09 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: AppyPappy
There is a compound here in Virginia that doesn't allow police inside their facility. If the police want to speak to someone, they have to ask at the gate and wait for the person to be brought to them (if at all)

And that's the way it's supposed to be, unless there's a search warrant...

33 posted on 09/27/2005 8:32:28 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: cloud8
Is this a summer camp, a madrassa, a training center or what?

And...the answer is........drum roll please......YES

34 posted on 09/27/2005 9:30:38 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: adam_az

The police can come on your property if they want. They just have to stop at the door.

If you stop them from stepping on your property, you are a terrorist.


35 posted on 09/27/2005 9:32:10 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Iscool

Search warrant only applies to your dwelling and/or searching. Police can come to your door if they like.


36 posted on 09/27/2005 9:32:49 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

I always understood they weren't allowed on your 'property' without permission...Am I wrong?


37 posted on 09/27/2005 10:00:04 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

No. They can walk up to your door without asking permission.


38 posted on 09/27/2005 10:01:42 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

"If you stop them from stepping on your property, you are a terrorist."

Not if you fence the property and put a gate at the front.


39 posted on 09/27/2005 10:06:52 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Muslim Campground Raided, But Why?

Why not?

40 posted on 09/27/2005 10:08:00 AM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: adam_az

IIRC that doesn't not stop the police from coming to your door in a community. Gated communities are that way. I'm pretty sure police are allowed to come through the gate without permission.

Remember, this is a community, not an individual private residence.


41 posted on 09/27/2005 10:12:17 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
"Police can come to your door if they like."

If your door is accessable, but if you have a fence with a locked gate, then they can only come to the gate. Remember the fuss over the police climbing OJ's gate? Entering a locked property requires either a warrant based upon evidence, or the first hand knowledge that a felony is in progress.

42 posted on 09/27/2005 10:19:08 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: editor-surveyor

That's for a private home, not a community.

For instance, the police can enter an aprtment building but not the individual apartments. They can walk into a fraternity house or dorm but not into bedrooms.


43 posted on 09/27/2005 10:23:06 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
If you stop them from stepping on your property, you are a terrorist.

So that applies to the celebrity 'compounds' and other gated property as well?

44 posted on 09/27/2005 12:10:06 PM PDT by technochick99 (Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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To: technochick99

If they are communities, it does.


45 posted on 09/27/2005 12:11:18 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

Where is this place? Is it not fully private property then? Or is it a community with public streets running through it?


46 posted on 09/27/2005 12:12:52 PM PDT by technochick99 (Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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To: technochick99

It's in southside Va.

Our Homeowners Association owns the streets in our neighborhood so technically it is private property. We built and maintain them. I can't imagine a policeman has to ask permission everytime he drives on our roads.


47 posted on 09/27/2005 12:16:35 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
Fine, you can't imagine it, and yes police can walk into apartments.

The fact remains that communities can and do exist that are located entirely on private properties and neither want nor use services provided by neighboring communities. This means their roads are private roads, neither build nor maintained by public funds. This has ramifications or their ability to receive other public services. This means that police have to either get permission or execute a legal warrant to enter.

You can call all such communities terrorist if you want - it just lowers you credibility a little.

48 posted on 09/27/2005 12:59:52 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: delacoert
I live in one of those communities. And the police can come and go as they please.

You can call all such communities terrorist if you want

And you need to learn to read.

49 posted on 09/27/2005 1:53:38 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

The campers kept exploding around the ol' kamp fire.


50 posted on 09/27/2005 5:00:42 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Show me a liberal and I'll show you a head and a heart, designed for nothing but cracking walnuts.)
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