Posted on 09/27/2005 7:14:21 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
EAST HADDAM -- Around town - and as far away as Tennessee - people are wondering why federal agents seized datashak plants and seeds and 19 computer discs from a Muslim campground in Moodus.
First Selectman Brad Parker said Friday's raid on the 18-acre Town Street campground, owned by Darul Uloom Shady Brook Inc., has the town abuzz. FBI agents and officials from the U.S. Department of Agriculture conducted the raid.
"Out on the street, people don't think that [the federal government] would go to that effort for a spinach plant," Parker said.
A Tennessee-based blog called "Ginny's Thoughts and Things" also seeks answers about the East Haddam raid: "I'm totally confused on this one. Could someone explain this to me?"
The federal Office of Inspector General declined to shed any light Monday, citing an ongoing investigation.
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IIRC that doesn't not stop the police from coming to your door in a community. Gated communities are that way. I'm pretty sure police are allowed to come through the gate without permission.
Remember, this is a community, not an individual private residence.
If your door is accessable, but if you have a fence with a locked gate, then they can only come to the gate. Remember the fuss over the police climbing OJ's gate? Entering a locked property requires either a warrant based upon evidence, or the first hand knowledge that a felony is in progress.
That's for a private home, not a community.
For instance, the police can enter an aprtment building but not the individual apartments. They can walk into a fraternity house or dorm but not into bedrooms.
So that applies to the celebrity 'compounds' and other gated property as well?
If they are communities, it does.
Where is this place? Is it not fully private property then? Or is it a community with public streets running through it?
It's in southside Va.
Our Homeowners Association owns the streets in our neighborhood so technically it is private property. We built and maintain them. I can't imagine a policeman has to ask permission everytime he drives on our roads.
The fact remains that communities can and do exist that are located entirely on private properties and neither want nor use services provided by neighboring communities. This means their roads are private roads, neither build nor maintained by public funds. This has ramifications or their ability to receive other public services. This means that police have to either get permission or execute a legal warrant to enter.
You can call all such communities terrorist if you want - it just lowers you credibility a little.
You can call all such communities terrorist if you want
And you need to learn to read.
The campers kept exploding around the ol' kamp fire.
In a FREE society, that is EXACTLY what would happen, not only for police but ANY government agent. And rightly so. If he has a properly signed warrant and it is before dark, the end of the LEGAL time for service, that's another issue. If a cop walks by and hears a scream and breaks in, he had best be right or be willing to pay the price if it's just the householder and his wife getting a little extra frisky...
In post #2 you describe exactly what I'm talking about so I know you understand the concept.
In the situation you cite, the police wait outside the gate and the person sought by the police goes to the gate. Everything is legal, and the police aren't setting foot on the property. Your allusion to Waco makes no sense unless the police have served a warrant with which the occupants have failed to comply.
And I guess I'll just have to keep working on my reading skills.
You can call all such communities terrorist if you want
But I never said that. It's just a strawman you created.
Are you saying the police have to wait outside a gated community until someone comes to let them in?
But you know that's not what we're talking about. Right? You described exactly what we're talking about in post #2. If the property is fenced and the gate is locked, police have to have a proper warrant to break through the gate and walk in. Otherwise they have to do what everyone else visiting the "compound" does. If no one is expecting them and there's no call box, they'll just have to blow their horn and wait until some one comes to the gait.
It is clear to me that you understand exactly what is being posted by me and others in this thread. I don't understand why you keep trying to belabor a nuanced interpretation by using the ambiguous term, "gated community."
Private property behind a fence and locked gate presents a barrier to public access, including the police. It is not insurmountable, you just have to get permission to enter - either from the property owner or a judge.
I never said the gate was locked. I said they had to wait for someone to come to the gate. This is not a house. It's a community. It's no different from a condominium complex.
The problem is that you assume too much.
So you are saying that police, fire and rescue have to wait at a gated community for someone to give them permission to enter.
If the police, the fire department or an ambulance is called and asked to come then it is clear they have permission to enter, so I guess that's not what you are talking about. However, if there's an issue of law enforcement involved then you are correct, I am saying that permission may be required.
Durqadurqa mohamed jihad
"But why?"
Wouldn't "But why not sooner?" make more sense????
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