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Some Reports of N.O. Violence Exaggerated
Associated Press ^ | Sep 27 | MICHELLE ROBERTS

Posted on 09/27/2005 11:36:58 AM PDT by andyk

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To: Diva Betsy Ross

i'm 47 and 6th generation Mississippian so white on black racism is nothing new to me....

But while that has gone down markedly in my view during my lifetime, the rise of black resentment and contempt for whites (and others actually) has been a disappointment.

and I really don't see much fixing that........white guilt sure won't....no matter how good it makes those folks feel about themselves.

that said....I think evryone is racist a bit.....either out and out, or passive, or defensive (me), or paternalistic (that would be the mushy guilty white folk)

it's a damned mess......the issues that arose from Katrina were nothing new...it's just the scope and the 24 hour news channels went on and on and on.

if that was the first time folks saw black hostility to whites and it startled them then they must live pretty isolated.

as for all the white on black racist aspects...I blame Bush of course..lol

I had hoped this could open eyes and maybe fix some stuff that needs fixin but it's back to business as usual.


151 posted on 09/27/2005 6:59:35 PM PDT by wardaddy (You're too good for him.)
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To: frogjerk

Four days after the storm, thousands of blacks in New Orleans are dying like dogs. No-one has come to help them.

uhhh...lets see. start walking North or West. I'm sure a local Git-n-Go could be an hour outside of the punchbowl of hell. Imagine that, "survival."


152 posted on 09/27/2005 7:00:38 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet (If not now, when?)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm pretty careful about putting something that bluntly on somebody, but the exaggerations sure gave fuel to any fear or suspicions people might have had.

True. And I'm going to have to be more careful about what I believe. A wait and see attitude in situations like this is definitely the wise path to take.

153 posted on 09/27/2005 7:03:02 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Conservababe
Some Freepers bought into the mentality that all black folks on the overpass and in the super dome were thugs, criminals, on welfare or too lazy to evacuate.

We do have our share of idiots here. I wish that were not the case.

154 posted on 09/27/2005 7:04:56 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: wardaddy
Well I really think what we saw was a culture riot. (I had originally labeled it a "race riot" and I had to change that because my translation of that being what was motivating the rioters and looters- was not coming thru the way I had intended. I admitted that it was a poor choice of words on my part)- But culture yes- because look around; We see the faces of our troops and our police and our rescue personal- we look at the faces of our friends and look at the faces of some of our great leaders- they are all colors-all levels of pigmentation.

People who are really racist are of one culture and - yes there are people who are not racist and they are of another culture.

I don't believe that everyone is a degree of racist. Not my friends anyway- and be careful to think that my friends are one color please. :]

155 posted on 09/27/2005 7:09:17 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks)
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To: freema
Like I have said before, I am suspicious because this is exactly what happened in the weeks and months after the LA riots.

Of course the media was exaggerating data and numbers- I mean tens of thousands of dead? No way.

Why don't they find the National Guardsman and interview him. So are we to believe that he was lying? Ummm.. I am not going to fall for that one so easily.

156 posted on 09/27/2005 7:13:22 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks)
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To: andyk

"Kelly McBride, who teaches ethics to journalists at the Poynter Institute,"

That is like an Eskimo teaching Russian to a rattlesnake!


157 posted on 09/27/2005 7:17:39 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: EveningStar
We do have our share of idiots here. I wish that were not the case.

Many freepers here are not racists, but certainly vulnerable to to MSM and Cable reports. So many did not allow for the fact of so many reporting to the super dome after they had pulled many victims from the rising waters, or that they had pushed their elderly relatives on floating rafts, or that they had shared their provisions with others in compassion. But, of course, they should be forever banished from their city because they are only riff raff, after all, and will choose to relocate. I think not.

158 posted on 09/27/2005 7:19:45 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Grrrr...this is getting on my nerves. When I see LA, as in your post, I know it California. Louisiana is La.....LOL


159 posted on 09/27/2005 7:22:38 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: Conservababe
Duly noted. ;]
160 posted on 09/27/2005 7:24:38 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks)
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To: Conservababe
Duly noted. ;]
161 posted on 09/27/2005 7:24:41 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

I'm right with you on all of it, especially the Guardsman.


162 posted on 09/27/2005 7:34:12 PM PDT by freema (Ready to Rock AND Roll)
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To: rdb3
Well, you're not lying here. Even busted up in a wheelchair, I still look oh, so good.

That line made me laugh out loud. :) Zinggg!!

163 posted on 09/27/2005 7:39:22 PM PDT by ohioWfan (If my people which are called by my name will humble themselves and pray......)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
(Yes this is a real quote) "Only two of those are believed to have been murdered." Oh, thank goodness there were ONLY two murders. Well then it was an experiment in human kindness and generosity at the super dome.

Your removal of the quote from the context of the article is "real" too.

164 posted on 09/27/2005 7:41:28 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: edcoil

Well the one truth I have yet to see repeated is the footage of the two female New Orleans cops wheeling shopping carts as they...umm...shopped or...umm...looted. The footage ran on one day for a short period and then was not ever shown again. One of the cops was quoted saying she was "only doing her job!"

This happened as I swear I saw the footage and heard her reply. She was scurrying along with all the others inside this store. I doubt she was doing her job and I saw an awful lot of non-food items on the shelves and in people's hands and shopping carts.

Yeesh. This was a NO cop -- someone who is supposed to uphold the law!!!!


165 posted on 09/27/2005 7:50:32 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: rdb3
My point is that since we all are normally circumspect on what comes out of the MSM, we should be this way consistently. But it appears that if the MSM report confirms one's worldview here, it's automatically legitimate. No questions asked.

Yes, well said, and it will be used against us to make us over react, all the way to 2008.

For example since it's our world view that we need a conservative SC judge, the MSM will try to convince us that the nominee is not -- and some will take it automatically as being legitimate.

166 posted on 09/27/2005 7:51:03 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
POLICE ISLE 3# WALMART

167 posted on 09/27/2005 7:54:59 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Thank you!

This really steams me. Hearing the lamestream media 24/7 pointing their dirty fingers at GWB and Michael Brown and FEMA and meanwhile the damn first responders are *cough* shopping for free.


168 posted on 09/27/2005 8:02:59 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: andyk

I watched a report on SCarborough and a photo journalist and he had taken LOTS of pictures of dead bodies around the Dome and Center. I feel certain there were more than the 5-6 that they say.


169 posted on 09/27/2005 8:07:17 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: WasDougsLamb

I think Nagin may be telling the truth, but now people are re-thinking helping some people.


170 posted on 09/27/2005 8:08:52 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
It is the soft bigotry of low expectations. That is the story here. Smart folks don't like to be pandered to- no matter how much pigmentation they have.

Now I want on the record as being the first to defend the honor of our police- because most them are top notch- but NO has a problem that George Bush himself can not solve.

171 posted on 09/27/2005 8:08:55 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
"It is the soft bigotry of low expectations. That is the story here. Smart folks don't like to be pandered to- no matter how much pigmentation they have."

What you wrote is so true. I treat all people the same and I expect the same from all of them, too. I never expect less from people of color and many folks that I know personally and professionally have always appreciated that and said so. Those who aren't hoodwinked under the spell of the democrats and people like Jesse Jackson and his cohorts don't see themselves as perpetual victims and they, too, want to be treated equally as they deserve.

To expect less of a person is to think less of that person, something that the morons in the democrap party and the professional poverty leaders like Jackson and others refuse to acknowledge since it would interfere with their real agenda.

172 posted on 09/27/2005 8:24:14 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: SJackson
And here I thought posters here were wise to the media.

Bwahahahahahaha!

C'mon, you know the drill: the media is lying, unless what they say fits one's preconceptions.

173 posted on 09/27/2005 8:27:09 PM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: andyk
One of those victims _ found at the Superdome _ appears to have been killed elsewhere before being brought to the stadium, said Bob Johannessen, the agency spokesman.

I mean, really. If you're gonna go to all the trouble of poppin' a cap in someone, wouldn't you just leave him lie?
174 posted on 09/27/2005 8:29:34 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Lord, I apologize . . . and be with the starving pygmies in New Guinea amen.)
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To: frogjerk

That picture looks as if he's exhorting the crowd to thow its hands in the air and wave 'em like it just don't care.


175 posted on 09/27/2005 8:32:00 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Lord, I apologize . . . and be with the starving pygmies in New Guinea amen.)
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
True -IMO- we have to remember that some people feel very threatened when there is talk about taking away their "special status" and standing in society as a protected group tho.

Of the people I know- from different cultures, backgrounds and ethnic groups- I do not associate with one who would enjoy being treated as tho they needed some special help in life. None of them remind me that they look different from me- otherwise we would not be hanging out together very happily. :]

176 posted on 09/27/2005 8:38:21 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks)
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To: andyk
everything out of new orleans was exaggerated, except perhaps the real story of the plight of its citizens. the media is the enemy.
177 posted on 09/27/2005 8:45:33 PM PDT by CaptainKeyword (it takes a college education to make a human believe he's a monkey.)
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To: andyk
[Bill Waldron, a homicide detective from Florida in New Orleans for a murder trial, was stuck in the convention center until Sept. 1..."People were wanting just some type of authority to come in...]

Yes, "some authority" like the NOPD or other agencies within THE STATE OF LOUISIANA. Where were they? Certainly not under president Bush's command. Lousiana is clearly the most corrupt state of dependent wimps in the entire USA, bar none. It's raining -- "WHAAAAAAA", It's blowing -- "WHAAAAAAA", It's flooding -- "WHAAAAAAA". Give us $250B -- "WHAAAAAAA".

178 posted on 09/27/2005 8:48:17 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Hate yourself? Hate everybody else, too? You'll be at home with the Democrats!)
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To: EveningStar
And many many people bought it....Sure did! At FR and elsewhere, bought it hook, line, and sinker...Do you think they bought it because they hate black people?

Yes.

179 posted on 09/27/2005 8:48:46 PM PDT by SJackson (we are forced to live in a democracy... the process is frustratingly slow, HRH Gov Blagojevich)
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To: Bella_Bru
C'mon, you know the drill: the media is lying, unless what they say fits one's preconceptions.

Exactly.

180 posted on 09/27/2005 8:49:19 PM PDT by SJackson (we are forced to live in a democracy... the process is frustratingly slow, HRH Gov Blagojevich)
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To: andyk

Saddest thing is, too many freepers couldn't wait to believe the violence reports were all true.


181 posted on 09/27/2005 9:21:48 PM PDT by richmwill
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To: andyk

"The incidents were highly exaggerated" _ the result of fear and hopelessness,..."

by the MSM that they might not be able to bash W enough with just the hurricane alone


182 posted on 09/27/2005 9:53:59 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: andyk

Good to know about the exaggerations.
That said, I'm not surprised it would be very hard to file criminal charges with extensive evacuations, and police stations swamped. The police who didn't go AWOL weren't spending their time doing paperwork.


183 posted on 09/27/2005 10:37:30 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: andyk

So the bottom line is the following

Murders DID occur at these locations
Rapes DID occur at these locations
Assaults DID occur at these locations.

Hmmm

The numbers might have been exaggerated but the incidents did occur.

Funny how some people on here act like the article states nothing happened.

heh


184 posted on 09/27/2005 11:04:53 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: Argus

"Who runs Bayou-town?"

"Mayor Nagin runs Bayou-town."

185 posted on 09/27/2005 11:06:18 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: CaptainKeyword
everything out of new orleans was exaggerated,...

Except Katrina.....

186 posted on 09/27/2005 11:21:13 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: ladyinred

Well I heard the state police chief implore people on air not to report rumors as fact because the SWAT team had already been called out to hospitals that had allegedly been taken over a number of times and found nothing. While the police were busy responding to non-existent takeovers the real bad guys could get back to looting.


187 posted on 09/27/2005 11:51:29 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: UCANSEE2
The biggest and strongest , both black and white, defended the weak and infirm.

That is why there were not as many deaths and other violent acts as imagined.

These men will go unnamed, unacknowledged.

They don't consider themselves heroes.

God does.

The MSM won't be investigating those events. No spice.

Good post. Ironically, this is what I saw when I was actually watching footage from the Superdome, Convention Center, etc. Not rape and murder. Oddly, the sensational stuff seemed to only come from third hand reports (though there were reporters on scene)

188 posted on 09/28/2005 12:00:44 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger; rdb3
What disgusts me more are the the Freepers that were quick to pick up and spread such sensational unsourced unsubstantiated nonesense because it furthered thier agenda (whatever that may be.)You expect this sort of behavior from the msm, but this used to be a place that was skeptical of news accounts and could ferret out obvious overblown sensational crap.

Good post Smogger. I was one of the Freepers who opined that this may be the stuff of urban legend. Too lazy to find the post for you, but it's in my comments somewhere.

189 posted on 09/28/2005 12:29:24 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (To the world you may be one person, but to one person you may be the world)
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To: radiohead
If I had a turn of mind that lent itself to conspiracies, I'd almost think it was done by the press on purpose.

And yet the press will be the first to accuse the President of bigotry. How do they manage to finangle all of this hypocrisy?

190 posted on 09/28/2005 12:33:45 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (To the world you may be one person, but to one person you may be the world)
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To: silentknight
"Funny how some people on here act like the article states nothing happened."

Agreed. And if the MSN cant be trusted, why is an article from the AP trusted?

The AP is very much the MSM.

Anyway, I admit some of what I believed was exaggerated or false , but far from all of it.

10k didnt die and there was no cannibalism.
This does not traslate into the "nothing happened" mindset of some here.


Anyway, each person will decide for themselves what they think happened. That is as it should be imo.
191 posted on 09/28/2005 7:28:07 AM PDT by No Blue States (FW)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
I was using racist in the sense of the new Free Republic vernacular which means "anyone who is not sensitive enough about race".

To me, the original idea of racist is that of race supremacist but folks here long ago dumped that higher threshold definition of racist.
We even have the word "racialist" now
I did not mean for you to feel that I implied you had only one sort of friends.

I resist qualifying everything I say here and never go into the "but, I have black friends" defensive posture. Folks who do that all the time end up sounding like an Uncle Remus charactiture.
192 posted on 09/28/2005 8:16:38 AM PDT by wardaddy (You're too good for him.)
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To: EveningStar
Do you think they bought it because they hate black people?

Well, I recognize I"m about fifteen hours late for your question, but I'll answer anyway.

I think people believed those stories at least in part because they found such stories about blacks easy to believe.

193 posted on 09/28/2005 8:45:25 AM PDT by Petronski (I thank God for Cyborg.)
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To: radiohead
...the racebaiters and hate mongers of both sides are always at work

But they're not just doing it for fun, are they? There is an ulterior motive; In fact, there are two ulterior motives. On one side it's financial gain: On the other side it's political gain. The one's who do it for financial gain are winning. The ones who do it for political divisiveness will lose in the long run. Their peer pressure tactics may persuade some young people for brief periods, but no matter how hard the race-baiters try they cannot recruit mature adults who recognize these school yard games.

194 posted on 09/28/2005 9:26:57 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: EveningStar

People believed the stories because they were being told lies by the mayor and by the chief of police, who together presented everything in a very convincing manner.

If it were just the MSM, more people would have been skeptical.


195 posted on 09/28/2005 9:30:22 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: Argus

"So who's a racist again?"The msm.The coverage inferring wholesale murder,rape,....made the residents of NO look bad.From where i was sitting,it appeared that order had collapsed completely,and(imo)that was the spin the msm intentionaly presented to America and the world.In hindsight it appears that the vast majority of people stuck in NO handled the situation well.Do you think the msm will ever sit down and honestly ask themselves why their coverage was so innacurate,cynical,and biased?


196 posted on 09/28/2005 9:31:42 AM PDT by Thombo2
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To: Petronski

It's never too late to answer such questions.

I did not watch very much of the Katrina disaster on TV. I mostly listened to the radio and read stories online.

When I began reading this thread I thought it was about people believing rumors without waiting for verification. I admit that I believed that there was some truth to most of the horror stories floating in and did not employ as much critical thinking as I should have. As I heard the stories coming in, I kept thinking, "My God, how horrible!" It never occurred to me to tie race to it. But then, that may have been because I've lived in predominately white areas all my life and some of the people I've known have done some pretty vile things.


197 posted on 09/28/2005 9:32:04 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Petronski
Well, I recognize I"m about fifteen hours late for your question, but I'll answer anyway.

Soldier! You missed a formation! Front-leaning rest position, move!

Still, some are holding on for dear life over this. Amazing.


If you want a Google GMail account, FReepmail me.
They're going fast!

198 posted on 09/28/2005 11:15:50 AM PDT by rdb3 (NON-conservative, American exceptionalist here.)
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To: wardaddy; rdb3
I know what you mean, a person who has been called a racist in public is damed if they do - damed if they don't. That is the way it goes when some are in a special protected class - all they have to do is say that someone is a racist and heck will break loose.

One word and there is nothing you can do about it. No wonder they get so upset when they think the power is not worshiped by all.

BTW- I am as much of a racist and a bigot as the sun sets in the East, and if people were not so frightened of being called vile names themselves- some freepers would show up and say so- but they are afraid- and who can blame them???- I have the freepmails and emails- (which I will never post or mention by name that tell me that.)

No matter- I have posted what others dare not- things, BTW our "black conservatives" have all said themselves- RDB3 says inner cities are an "experiment in Marxism" and that he would shoot and kill all of the looters in NO- but I am a racist for saying the inner cities are a mess and welfare should be controlled for fraud- I have donated to relief for those people who were displaced by Katrina, worked years in social work and in welfare, worked for a Democratic congressman, worked with Jesse Jackson and lived thru riots - I speak of my experience and opinions and I am somehow more of a racist than I was before I said anything.

I am called a bigot and a KKK member all over this forum- and those who are doing the name calling are demanding the world is unfair and full of hatred against them. (Rolling eyes)

There are websites dedicated to causing infighting at FR and are full of people who do nothing but call freepers and Jim Rob all sorts of horrible names- one which we know some posters( RDB3) on this thread are active participants with- and I am the one who is told to retract statements???? And freepers rush to his aid!?!

Ummm hmmm..... Food for thought: Can you imagine Dr. Rice getting on a pedestal and calling anyone a racist or a bigot for posting their opinions of riots and welfare on a website?

I can't- she doesn't need the smoke and mirrors. But then again this hysteria is about a culture which she does not belong to - not the color of her skin.

This too shall pass.

199 posted on 09/28/2005 11:49:07 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks)
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To: andyk
i think the problem is that too many of us (the american public) do not understand the 3 branches of american media.

I cal them 1-Facts, 2-Truth, and 3-Opinion

"Facts" are the "on the spot" media reporters.. Their job is supposed to be to report what they see, who says what, when they say it, etc. In other words the who, what, when,where and why. AND NOTHING ELSE! These are those we see on the scene, describing the wreck, speech, etc. telling the audience what they witnessed. (EX; your average local schlub reporter on the scene of the big fire, or mayors speech)

"Truth" is the "investigative" reporters. Their job is to question what the powers that be say, and do, and find out the truth behind the fascade erected by public figures. They are not supposed to report on the "day to day", "as it happens" news. Usually, if they do their job right, their stories are about things that have happened in the near to distant past.(EX Wood-stein)

"Opinion" are the commentators. Their job is to give the reporting of the truth perspective from the openly admitted viewpoints of the commentators. (EX:Rush, Hannity, Tony Snow, etc.)

The problem,as I see it, is that none of the cable news networks have realized that these jobs are independent, and when you try to combine more than one of them, you get the gross exaggeration, distortions, and outright falsehoods portrayed as fact, as occurred in the coverage of Katrina.
200 posted on 09/28/2005 4:26:28 PM PDT by MCCRon58 (Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who do neither, criticize.)
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