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Republicans Ready for a Fight
none | 09/27/05 | J. Dunn

Posted on 09/27/2005 6:48:25 PM PDT by future F22 pilot

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To: future F22 pilot
We need to keep our momentum, there is no doubt about it. Accelerating the pace could be dangerous. Leadership must be steady and responsive, careful to not get to far out in front of the public. We have to move EVERYONE with us or we can not win.

I don't disagree with you, necessarily, I think you have some legitimate points. But there are enough around here who carrya tinder-dry hatred of President Bush that rivals the left's. Tossing gasoline on something like that is not a good strategy.

Priorities must be clear and goals established. I actually think we need to be very, very careful at this point. Slow, and steady.
51 posted on 09/27/2005 7:26:41 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Miss Marple

Dont bust a gasket, MM. lol. Love the passion, though. Someday, most folks will understand that the President of the United States has a staff, and that he does not, nor should he do everything.


52 posted on 09/27/2005 7:27:03 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache-Helping to keep Liberals free to be stupid since 1977)
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To: Sloth

---Clearly you think of politics as some kind of sporting event wherein you have chosen, for whatever reason, to root for the Washington Elephants vs. the Washington Jackasses, and the election is all that matters to you.---

Pretty much. "Our team won, let's rub their noses in it"

Forget that you have to keep working to win - it's not just some 'game' that comes up once every two years. What you accomplish in between determines how you do.

I imagine he never heard what Rush Limbaugh said to the republican class of 94 - "You can't stop working - don't assume just because you're here now everyone agrees with you."

He wants to coast and gloat. That's a recipe for disaster.


53 posted on 09/27/2005 7:29:32 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Miss Marple
I am fed up with all of the carpers. I can't be any plainer than that.

Would it be ok with you if we "carped" about illegal immigration?

54 posted on 09/27/2005 7:30:19 PM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: future F22 pilot
Let's Roll! I sure as heck hope so. The Senate Republicans had better show some spine in the upcoming confirmation fight. If not, my checkbook will remain CLOSED!
55 posted on 09/27/2005 7:31:50 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Pukin Dog

I think you two guys (PD and Common Tator) need to get together for a daily freeper bitch slap thread called something like Common-Puke or Pukin- Tator to keep the weak kneed freepers from straying off the reservation. There seem to be more and more scairdy cats that listen to the MSM too much, and even spout DNC/MSM talking points. We need the voice of reason on a daily basis. Hopefully this can be accomplished. I am dead serious....I'm tired of the Linguine spines.


56 posted on 09/27/2005 7:32:32 PM PDT by samantha (cheer up, the adults are in charge!)
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To: Trteamer
I am sure that my opinion doesn't matter one bit to you, and I am sure you will continue to carp. However, I am fed up with people who never have anything positive to say and dwell on one issue to the exclusion of all else, whether it is immigration, the deficit, pork, or any of the single-issues that seem to preoccupy certain segments of the forum.

Carp away. And I will remain fed up!

57 posted on 09/27/2005 7:34:57 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
Well let's see. We didn't run out of Iraq with our tails between our legs. We didn't sell out to the Euro weenies, the UN, North Korea or Iran. We haven't had a tax hike. The left has gone totally mad an is imploding before our eyes. We won't have 2 new lefty members of the Supreme Court or more leftists federal judges, etc, etc.

I agree! It's only in the eyes of the Lame Stream Media that the President has been a dud so far. Oh course, if he pours $300 billion down the drain in LA I'll be pretty upset. I'm hearing tonight that a lot of those NO PD who walked off the job during Katrina never even existed! There were 'positions' but no policemen in them, if you get my drift. Unbelievable!

58 posted on 09/27/2005 7:36:29 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Sloth
And we haven't seen many successes on that front -- more surrenders than advances, in fact.

I suggest that maybe you just cant count. Maybe you should play games that involve counting, so that you may practice?

59 posted on 09/27/2005 7:37:03 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache-Helping to keep Liberals free to be stupid since 1977)
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To: samantha
I'll be ranting on this subject later in the week. Yes, a few FReepers could use a good bitch-slapping. Stay tuned.
60 posted on 09/27/2005 7:38:49 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache-Helping to keep Liberals free to be stupid since 1977)
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To: Miss Marple

I called Shay's office today and said some very unkind things about him for which I have no shame whatsoever. John Gibson acted really more clueless than the uninformed Ct. Congressman when they were having their love-fest today. I told Shay's office that he had no right insinuating that Brown was incompetent when he has not shown one iota of competence in the last 10 years as a Congressman, and I bet he makes about the same money that Brown does and has none of the responsibility.


61 posted on 09/27/2005 7:39:00 PM PDT by samantha (cheer up, the adults are in charge!)
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To: samantha

LOL! Good for you! I called and told them that I was amazed and troubled that Chris Shays was getting a government salary, and also asked them why he had SO MANY offices, since he doesn't DO anything except ask clueless questions! And I told them that the RNC was going to hear from me about cutting his campaign donations from the national committee to ZERO!


62 posted on 09/27/2005 7:41:33 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: samantha

Chris Shays is a girlie man.


63 posted on 09/27/2005 7:43:00 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache-Helping to keep Liberals free to be stupid since 1977)
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To: future F22 pilot
President Bush's attitude towards terrorists is that they attacked us because we have been week in the past in responding to their attacks.

And at the same time, he is weak when his enemies (MSM, Democrats, Furrners) attack him so they keep attacking with greater veracity.

He needs to put his foot on the throat of David Gregory, Terry Moran, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi the next time they attack him.
64 posted on 09/27/2005 7:43:07 PM PDT by msnimje (Hurricane KATRINA - An Example of Nature's Enforcement of Eminent Domain)
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To: samantha
Ok my site is up and running, once again the link is

http://allthingsgreat.bravehost.com

You can read the editorials, sign the guest book, sound off in the forum, use the live chat, and vote.

Currently it doesnt look Great but I will work more on it this weekend and hopefully fix it up

65 posted on 09/27/2005 7:47:09 PM PDT by future F22 pilot (FREEDOM)
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To: Pukin Dog

I won't repeat my post earlier about his trophy wife and his lisp and what that all could possibly mean, but kee-ripes look at the sweet thang with the accusatory agenda. Gee everyone is incompetent but the guy that cried about the Juanita tape and the voted not to impeach the rapist. AGHHHHHHH.


66 posted on 09/27/2005 7:47:34 PM PDT by samantha (cheer up, the adults are in charge!)
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To: future F22 pilot

Sounds a bit hysterical there son. I'll call the President from the Sauna/Massage Room where he has been relaxing for a few months. Maybe he can calm you down or a shot of horse tranquilizer.


67 posted on 09/27/2005 7:47:53 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Miss Marple
Carp:

To express or feel dissatisfaction or resentment. v.complain, criticize, grumble, carp, fuss, lament, whine, gripe, bemoan, bewail, groan, cavil, deplore, grouse, pick apart, moan, mutter, squawk, wail, whimper, yammer, crab, beef, bellyache (informal), yawp, squawk, kvetch.

Carp are also fun on the end of a fishing pole. LOL!

68 posted on 09/27/2005 7:48:33 PM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: msnimje
And at the same time, he is weak when his enemies (MSM, Democrats, Furrners) attack him so they keep attacking with greater veracity.

And, just what 'veracity' would that be? Are you joking?

69 posted on 09/27/2005 7:48:58 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache-Helping to keep Liberals free to be stupid since 1977)
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To: Pukin Dog
Now, I just returned from killing lots of wild animals in Alaska and eating them. Every bite was a win against some effed-up liberal. I loved every minute of it.

Looking askance... What??
I took myself on a one day fly-fishing trip at a lake in Michigan a few weeks ago. It was good for me, I liked it. The value of it was it itself.
There were other people out there some might have been liberals, some of the guides (whom I went without) might have been liberals. No one was thinking about any political victory where we were, and that was a good thing.

Wolf

70 posted on 09/27/2005 7:50:53 PM PDT by RunningWolf (U.S. Army Veteran.....75-78)
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To: Pukin Dog
And, just what 'veracity' would that be? Are you joking?

Crap, I meant ferocity! Typing faster than thinking, AGAIN!

71 posted on 09/27/2005 7:51:00 PM PDT by msnimje (Hurricane KATRINA - An Example of Nature's Enforcement of Eminent Domain)
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To: Pukin Dog

He may mean ferocity.


72 posted on 09/27/2005 7:51:17 PM PDT by samantha (cheer up, the adults are in charge!)
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To: flashbunny

You have to recognize victory when it happens and not be obsessed with things which are perhaps not even possible.

Politics is the art of the possible not a Wish List one side gets to enact without opposition. We have a bare plurality of the electorate vs. 48% willing to vote for an absolute Traitor + the Treason Media + the Leftist Control of almost all social institutions (churches, foundations, education). That is a crucial fact which needs to be recognized.


73 posted on 09/27/2005 7:55:50 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Common Tator
Some will always be in that almost always quixotic market for the guy or gal who will mesmerize the public into changing their views, despite the track record of a preference for cautious change by voters absent great stress. There is always a hunger for those who dream the impossible dream for the magic, silver bullet. At least it pumps money into the public square of debate. That is not all bad. It at least keeps the debate alive, and up close and personal.
74 posted on 09/27/2005 7:55:52 PM PDT by Torie
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To: RunningWolf
If I can get some additional pleasure eating a salmon dead only a few minutes because I know some liberal somewhere is against it, whats it to you? I think about political victories in everything I do(almost). I get a thrill every time I fill up my Hummer, and some jerk in a Hybrid gets upset about it.

Call me crazy, but I live to piss off liberals.
75 posted on 09/27/2005 7:55:57 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache-Helping to keep Liberals free to be stupid since 1977)
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To: msnimje

Oh, well then.........never mind.


76 posted on 09/27/2005 7:56:27 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache-Helping to keep Liberals free to be stupid since 1977)
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To: samantha

The weak kneed freepers are the ones that settle for big government and say it tastes delicious. Not the other way around.


77 posted on 09/27/2005 8:06:42 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Miss Marple

You express my sentiments exactly. We have to listen to Bush bashing every minute on TV and I can not fathom why anyone on FR would want to help the networks or the crazies at DU. They think they have President Bush on the ropes and they are going for the kill.

Sounds to me like some people need a good dose of Rush Limbaugh optimisim.


78 posted on 09/27/2005 8:17:19 PM PDT by Bushiefan
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To: Pukin Dog
whats it to you?

Uhhmm not sure 'cept you put it out there. You get a thrill cause a jerk in a hybrid is upset because you filled tour hummer up? Hmmm.. Well thats not a fiscally sound method to improve ones lot.

Tell you what, next time you want piss a liberal off I'll do it for for you at half your expense.

Wolf
79 posted on 09/27/2005 8:17:27 PM PDT by RunningWolf (U.S. Army Veteran.....75-78)
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To: flashbunny
Well, since we only have a chance of achieving any of our goals if we get our side elected, and since a large chunk of the population doesn't want to pare down government, the trick is to go slowly.

Yes, the ultimate goal is a smaller government, but in the meanwhile we have to maintain a viable foreign policy, prosecute a war, and make sure that the government doesn't do anything to mess up the economy.

Most Americans LIKE Social Security. Most think that the government should be doing lots of things that we don't think it should.

It is going to take a generation of incremental wins before we will get the voters to change their minds on some of this stuff. We have been pretty successful on tax policy; I don't think the democrats will be able to convince people that raising taxes will solve problems.

But on a variety of conservative goals, we have to keep moving in small steps, all the while educating people. And if we blow it, and we lose our majorities and the presidency, then we will be back at square one.

Do I have days when I wish I could wave a magic wand and get rid of all the bloated government? Sure! But then reality tells me that we are going to have to shrink it slowly, and that there will be times when we have to compromise because of other, more immediate goals. Patience and persistence is what is required.

80 posted on 09/27/2005 8:28:27 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Miss Marple

problem is we're not even moving in small steps.

The only steps we are taking is rather big steps in the wrong direction.

I know very well that the only way we're going to get back a constitutional government is by the same way it was taken from us- step by step.

But the two most important things to get there is A) Don't give up any more ground and B) actually work in that direction.

So far, I really haven't seen the republicans in power do anything like that. In fact, what they've seem to become adept at is spending like liberals and caving whenever the press turns up the heat.


81 posted on 09/27/2005 8:32:24 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: flashbunny
Well, I consider the tax cuts and the resultant boom in the economy a great victory. It is only the first step.

I don't know how you imbue people with courage, but judging from Chris Shays' performance today, there are quite a few who are a lost cause. And spending in some areas HAS been cut; it's just that the total budget has gone up, and some of that simply has to happen because of the increase in population.

There are other conservative issues besides spending, you know. Personal responsibility is one of them. I thnk the President has made great strides in making people accountable for their behavior. There is more to do, of course, but to say we have had no victories is untrue and a pessimistic way of looking at things.

82 posted on 09/27/2005 8:37:50 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Common Tator
IMO that is a good analysis, seems to make a lot of sense, has much insight.
I never looked at that way.
Thanks

Wolf
83 posted on 09/27/2005 8:46:45 PM PDT by RunningWolf (U.S. Army Veteran.....75-78)
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To: Pukin Dog; future F22 pilot
"Oh Jesus, shut up.

If you believe NOTHING has happened for our side, just shut up now. Right now."

Sorry, NO SALE...We ain't buyin' and we sure as hell ain't shutting up.

Take away the Wars and Dubya and the Pubbies have been freakin' wet noodles domestically.

If you want to count yourself as a Bush-Bot and settle for Alpo, then make it your gig.

84 posted on 09/27/2005 8:47:34 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Miss Marple

"Well, I consider the tax cuts and the resultant boom in the economy a great victory. It is only the first step."

One of a relative few.

Compared to what has been given away the ted kennedy education bill, to name one), the republican base is being sold out.

And what has it gotten us? It's like he and no republicans have ever learned that you can't buy the adoration of liberals or the press by selling out. They'll demonize you no matter what you do - so you might as well fight for your agenda and be demonized, instead of fighting for the other side and be demonized.


85 posted on 09/27/2005 9:02:33 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: flashbunny
The education bill's purpose is to make the schools ACCOUNTABLE. Doesn't it strike you as odd that the NEA is howling about it? Why is that? Because they have to PERFORM, and when they don't, they DON'T GET THE MONEY!

I am absolutely sick of people making such foolish assumptions as thinking that President Bush is trying to buy the affection of the liberals. Do you think he just fell off the turnip truck?

He has plans that go far beyond what will appear on TV next week or next month. The GOAL is making a nation of people who are responsible for themselves, and when that happens, we will not have people thinking they need big government!

Spare me the simplistic talking points. I don't agree and I am done explaining. Please try to take some time to think about this without the usual reaction.

86 posted on 09/27/2005 9:08:45 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Miss Marple
ah yes, okay, because I don't buy into the spin, I'm not thinking things through.

What part of the new prescription drug benefit that the next generation will be paying for is part of the 'ownership society'?

Oh wait, you're done explaining things to me...never mind.

I swear, some people have the 'battered voter syndrome', where they accept anything from their leaders as long as the right letter is next to their name.

Would people be accepting this if it was Clinton signing the bills instead of Bush?

You know the answer. But don't worry, you don't have to 'explain' it to me.
87 posted on 09/27/2005 9:33:23 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Miss Marple
AMEN!

President Bush is the first Republican President in 80 years to be reelected while the GOP gained seats in the house and senate.

Fewer Democrats elected to senate since 1929 and more Republicans in the house since 1946.

Republicans have gained ground under the last 4 out of 5 presidents with the 5th having no impact.

We did not get here by moving to the hard right.

We are winning, next stop the SCOTUS. It's a good day to be a republican.
88 posted on 09/27/2005 9:49:11 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: future F22 pilot

"I am working on putting up a new site "

Good. Get it done then stay there.


89 posted on 09/27/2005 10:33:16 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: Bushiefan
Sounds to me like some people need a good dose of Rush Limbaugh optimism

Rush has optimism but is saying essentially the same thing. We have the 'force', lets use it.

90 posted on 09/27/2005 10:49:47 PM PDT by duckln
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To: Miss Marple
Thank you for that rant! Though I am late to this thread I just have to get this off my chest from the weekend. If you still have your "list" going is John Kasich on it? He too rushed like a lemming to pile on in the aftermath of the hurricanes....it was jaw-dropping.
91 posted on 09/27/2005 11:15:44 PM PDT by Bubbette
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To: future F22 pilot

I'll believe it when I see it... we have a bunch of spineless worms in DC...


92 posted on 09/27/2005 11:18:04 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: 1035rep
"President Bush is the first Republican President in 80 years to be reelected while the GOP gained seats in the house and senate.

Fewer Democrats elected to senate since 1929 and more Republicans in the house since 1946.

Republicans have gained ground under the last 4 out of 5 presidents with the 5th having no impact.

We did not get here by moving to the hard right."

Your last statement says it all. RINOS and "compassionate conservatism" are killing the Republican Party.

What you hadn't said though is the GOP has appreciably compromised on principle in lieu of power at the expense of refusing to uphold American sovereignty, slacking on promoting conservatism tenets, infusing socialism, and caving in to globalist politics and policies.

With their so-called "domination of both houses AND the Presidency," they ought to have been shot-gunning their traditional agendae, but by now we know they're not AND won't.

The GOP has "won" alright, and it's called a "Pyrrhic victory."

93 posted on 09/28/2005 5:03:34 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
"The GOP has "won" alright, and it's called a "Pyrrhic victory."

We are still winning. Call it what you like. The GOP is currently filling the vacancies on the SCOTUS which is my #1 priority.

I'll take your so called RINO's any day when the alternative is the anti-american, anti-religion, Jewish hating liberals.

Now, you and your small entourage which are expected to arrive here shortly, can have this thread to do your usual GOP, GWB bashing, which is really all you ever have to offer.
94 posted on 09/28/2005 8:11:54 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: 1035rep

I'd say the size of that entourage you described will be determined in 06 and 08.


95 posted on 09/28/2005 8:13:34 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: future F22 pilot
I agree, but I don't think he had as much "capital" as some would like to claim... it was not a landslide by any stretch...

Still, I'd like to see more fire in the belly...

96 posted on 09/28/2005 8:20:41 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic (You cannot stop me, I'll just make...a "move"....)
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To: Black Tooth

I'm not worried. Not being conservative enough will never translate to a liberal vote.


97 posted on 09/28/2005 8:26:48 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: 1035rep

No it won't. But it will cause others to look for an alternate solution, to break away from the two party grip. This is becoming all too clear.


98 posted on 09/28/2005 8:41:20 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: 1035rep
"We are still winning. Call it what you like. The GOP is currently filling the vacancies on the SCOTUS which is my #1 priority."

We may be "winning" elections, but sliding into centrist ideology which dilutes the conservative principle the GOP is supposed to represent and manifest.

As to those SCOTUS vacancies, NO ONE seems to have a clue how it'll turn out.

Since the majority GOP House and Prez are so frightned to go toe-to-toe to fight tooth and nail with the Dems for their guy, history dictates the'll inevitably cave and compromise on at least one of the two Justices to be considered.

"I'll take your so called RINO's any day when the alternative is the anti-american, anti-religion, Jewish hating liberals."

Does it really matter when those RINOs are McCain, Snowe, Chafee, and Specter? Gimme a break.

"Now, you and your small entourage which are expected to arrive here shortly, can have this thread to do your usual GOP, GWB bashing, which is really all you ever have to offer."

While you and your cabal of Bots bury your heads in the sand pretending the GOP has achieved done more than take one step forward, and one back, WE will continue to point out the fiscally rabid, anti-sovereign, chick-sh*t tendencies of today's GOP.

99 posted on 09/28/2005 8:43:13 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: hombre_sincero
The national Republican party is not responsible for the failings of the Arkansas Republican party. The deterioration began when Senator Tim Hutchinson was defeated for reelection with the help of 'Christian' Republicans who insisted that his divorce and remarriage were a greater evil than electing a pro abortion RAT. The balance of power shifted and there hasn't been anybody to step in and give strong leadership since. Win Rockerfeller has brought some fiscal cleanup and responsibility to the party but with his illness there might not be much more help there. Asa Hutchinson was the last driving force to build the party and he is going to run for governor but I don't know if he is considered a pure enough conservative to get the support he needs to win. It is not easy to regain control of a state once it is lost.
100 posted on 09/28/2005 8:44:41 AM PDT by mountainfolk (God bless President George Bush)
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