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WSJ: Heart of Darkness - Sunni Arabs fear Shiite emancipation.
opinionjournal.com ^ | September 28, 2005 | FOUAD AJAMI

Posted on 09/28/2005 4:55:08 AM PDT by OESY

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To: OESY

Sometimes authors overwrite a story to such a degree that it become too tedious to get through. I never know if it’s my impatience or their attempt to make something out of nothing.


21 posted on 09/28/2005 8:31:09 AM PDT by elfman2 (2 tacos short of a combination plate)
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To: OESY

He's the best.


22 posted on 09/28/2005 11:17:34 AM PDT by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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To: OESY

Fouad Ajami is a Shi'ite from Lebanon. I'm sure he's glad he got out the barbaric Arab world a few decades ago. He teaches in the USA and appears on TV a lot. Very cultured man.


23 posted on 09/28/2005 12:10:02 PM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't have other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: Dark Skies

'Over the horizon looms a referendum to ratify the country's constitution. Sunni Arabs are registering in droves, keen not to repeat the error they committed when they boycotted the national elections earlier this year. In their pride, and out of fear of the insurgents and their terror, the Sunni Arabs say that they are registering to vote in order to thwart this "illegitimate constitution." This kind of saving ambiguity ought to be welcomed, for there are indications that the Sunni Arabs may have begun to understand terror's blindness and terror's ruin...'

That's the bit I like the sound of. Writes well, doesn't he? Btw, so do you.


24 posted on 09/28/2005 3:53:37 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: muawiyah
Montazeri may be traditionalist; Khameni is nothing but a fascist, and does not have a pious bone in his body.
25 posted on 09/28/2005 4:07:30 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Fred Nerks
Why Freddie...you make me blush. Always good to be encouraged by one's mentor.

And that was an excellent article. We can hope, can't we?

26 posted on 09/28/2005 5:10:40 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("The only way to find yourself is in the fires of sorrow." -- Oswald Chambers)
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To: McGavin999
Look, as far as I can tell you are of the opinion that all of the folks who speak Arabic, belong to one or the other Islamic sects, and live in or near Iraq are all the same ~ and have exactly the same interests.

With Sadr in the employ of Iran's government, and Al Zarkawi doing the bidding of AlQaida interests, I would suggest they do not have identical political ambitions or standing. If this involved European people I am sure you could discern some level of difference.

27 posted on 09/28/2005 5:18:29 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again? How'bout a double sarcasm for this one)
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To: JasonC
A good argument can still be made that the nastier of the Iranian Ayatollahs are either simple authoritarians, or are under French influence ~ and subject to all the evils that go along with their garbage.

On the other hand, Shia is still typified by a shared leadership in the ranks of the Ayatollahs. It also is divided into different kinds of Twelver, Elevener and Sevener sects/denominations, each of which has it's own communal leadership elite.

This structure is vastly different than that of the orthodox Moslems referred to as Sunni. There the mullahs are almost all directly under political direction from the secular elements in the government ~

28 posted on 09/28/2005 5:24:53 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again? How'bout a double sarcasm for this one)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
"...The Koran and Mohammed's examples says that it's moral to sign treaties with the infidels, until Muslims are strong enough to attack the infidels."

That's all we need to know regarding the argument allowing Iran to possess and manufacture nuclear weapons.

29 posted on 09/28/2005 5:25:26 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: muawiyah
No, good people are good people and bad people are bad people. There are some really good Sunni and there are some really good Shiia. As a matter of fact, most Sunni and Shiia in Iraq are good people.

I am aware there are many more sects than just the Sunni and Shiia.

Your comment was "Amazingly Prof. Ajami was able to write this without once noting that ALL of the Islamofascists are Sunni." I take exception to that. I really don't think that religion plays that big a part in this. I think it's all about power and domination. Even following your comment, there are sects within the Sunni population that could be better classified as "Islamofascists" and others are quite peaceful and some are even quite secular.

You pointing out that Iran is behind Sadar makes my case. It's not religion....it's power and both sides are striving for the same thing to the point where they frequently work together.

30 posted on 09/28/2005 5:38:48 PM PDT by McGavin999 (We're a First World Country with a Third World Press (Except for Hume & Garrett ))
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To: McGavin999

Money and power are behind some of it, yet the Sunni, almost uniformly throughout the world, hold the Shia to be something other than Moslem.


31 posted on 09/28/2005 5:58:57 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again? How'bout a double sarcasm for this one)
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To: muawiyah
Khameni is simply a tyrant, he does not share power. If he cared about Shia traditional legitimacy, the leading exemplar in the country would not be under house arrest.

Nor is there any political division involved, nor is any of it a laughable "French influence". It is an out and out tyranny, plain and simple, enforced by a secret police and paramilitary fanatics, serving the political power of the leaders. We have seen thousands of them, there is nothing special about the Iranian version. Tyranny is tyranny. It is bound by no law or principle. The personal bigotries and self aggrandizement of the tyrants themselves are the basis of the regime. There isn't an ounce of Merciful in the lot of them, nor a jot of Compassionate.

If instead they had a traditionalist regime, even one with some clerical authority, it might be another story. They don't - traditionalists put law above themselves and principle above expediency. Pretending all Shia are virtuous is pretending, and a lie, which concretely excuses the crimes of vicious men.

32 posted on 09/28/2005 6:23:54 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Look, ancient Persia was a little short of being an hydraulic civilization, so at best they invented the non-hydraulic forms of tyranny.

Which means, of course, that tyranny is a pretty normal situation there ~ it's not like they've had it better!

Although I much prefer the Seveners in any Moslem conflict, I will defend the Twelvers in Iran to this extent ~ they stick with the "forms" that include having a Parliament, holding elections, allowing a degree of multiple centers of authority (other Ayatollahs do exist), and so forth. This is vastly different than the sort of thing Hitler had with his "fuhrer" principle.

Remember, all totalitarian systems practice tyranny, but authoritarian systems practice tyranny counseled by tradition. I think Iran falls into the authoritarian class, although you think it's into full blown totalitarianism.

Concerning the French influence, you did know that during the ascendancy of the Shah and his cronies the leadership elite among the Ayatollahs spent their days in Paris ~ the garbage rubbed off ~

33 posted on 09/28/2005 6:37:59 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again? How'bout a double sarcasm for this one)
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To: muawiyah
Lame apologetics. You might as well commend the rivalry between Goering, the SS, and Speer's Organization Todt as "checks and balances". It is horsefeathers. The litmus test of traditionalism is morality, and the litmus test of morality is that men are judged by their individual deeds, not which ideological flag they pretend to support. None of the simple thugs and murderers running Iran have the slightest trace of it. The leader is a policeman ordering torture. The president is a simple thug and a murderer. Who cares which tradition they spit on by pretending to support it? They are hypocrites headed straight for the fire. Following them there is not "tradition", it is modern ideological extremism.
34 posted on 09/29/2005 4:22:19 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC

I'm sure they think the same of you ~


35 posted on 09/29/2005 4:29:40 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again? How'bout a double sarcasm for this one)
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To: muawiyah
So much the worse for them. But what do you think? Think anybody with an ounce of belief in a just judge who searches hearts, would commit a tenth of the crimes the Iranian regime has over the last 30 years?
36 posted on 09/29/2005 6:37:52 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: OESY

PING For great essay on liberating Iraq.


37 posted on 09/30/2005 2:43:31 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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