Posted on 09/30/2005 7:14:09 AM PDT by rellimpank
Rosen: Columbus clash, 2005 September 30, 2005
We're about a week away from Denver's annual Columbus Day confrontation. Each year at this time, Italian-Americans lawfully assemble to hold a parade honoring Christopher Columbus and celebrating their heritage while the usual suspects - professional Indian activists, assorted lefties and recreational demonstrators who do this kind of thing for fun - violate the civil rights of paraders
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Truth will prevail when the U.S. stops worshipping at the altar of self-hate and Indian-worship.
Since American Indians were NOT the first, the American-Italian heritage celebration is MORE appropriate since Europeans WERE the first "Americans."
Who the hell cares? If we have a permit to parade then no one has a right to stop it. Parade on Italian-Americans...parade on with pride. Ciao!!!!
2. They were MAMMOTH HUNTERS, as I said. Can you not READ? That meant that they LIVED here and hunted during the Ice Ages. They were all over the continent.
3. They found these sites by the bones of the great wooly mammoths and the traps that these American-European hunters used to trap and kill the mammoths.
4. Their method of hunting and trapping was identical to the method used by the EUROPEAN mammoth hunters during the same Ice Ages.
5. How did they get here? Well, it was theorized that the continents were linked together with ice for much of the Ice Ages. They aren't positive about exactly how they got here. Since the Siberian hunters came across the Bering Strait when IT was iced up.....it's a logical conclusion that the European mammoth hunters did the same thing.....LONG before the Asians came over.
6. How long did they live here? That isn't known yet. And, since evidence of them is too horrible for American Indians (not all of them of course) and American-Indian-philes to accept, I doubt if the research will be too open or public. And, since much of the evidence has been BURIED, who knows.
Perhaps the newer Asian-Americans simply outnumbered the INDIGENOUS, NATIVE LOCAL first-Americans, that is, Europeans, and wiped them out. This doesn't make the second Ameircans "evil" and the INDIGENOUS, NATIVE LOCAL first-Americans, that is, Europeans "good."
It is just part of the historic displacement of WEAKER nomadic, hunter societies by STRONGER nomadic, hunter societies.
7. "Skull measurements" are done, but they aren't even necessary. The photos make it CRYSTAL CLEAR. There are a dozen ROUND (Asian) skulls placed next to an OBVIOUS oval (European) skull. Even I or you could see the difference....not subtle at all.
None of this changes the fact that when Europeans arrived here there were Asiatic Native Americans living here that had to be removed from the land.
This doesn't make Europeans "evil" or Native Americans "good". It is just part of the historic displacement of nomadic or horticulturist societies by agricultural societies. To paraphrase Teddy Roosevelt 'it is ridiculous to assume that North America would remain the last great refuge of nomadic peoples.'
I guess that "removing" the Indians is EXACTLY like what the Indians did to their own Indian neighbors -- genocide, slavery, torture, rape, etc.
This doesn't make some American Indians "evil" and other American Indians "good." It is just part of the historic displacement of WEAKER nomadic, agricultural societies by STRONGER local, nomadic or horticulturist societies.
The Roosevelt quote is correct.
The stronger cultures conquer the weaker ones in a world of our own human nature.
The Stone Age cultures are always doomed by the Iron Age ones. That is technology life.
So give up on the revisionist history based upon the skull measurements of a few human remains.
Lol. A "few human remains"????
The U.S. GOVERNMENT BURIED the remains because the local tribes and other Indian-philes simply could not BEAR to know any more of the truth-- that the Asian Siberian hunters, a.k.a. Indians, were NOT, I reapeat, NOT the "first," "original," "aboriginal" or "indigenous" people in America. The "first," "original," "aboriginal" or "indigenous" people in America WERE EUROPEANS.
Amazingly large, thick and unyielding blinders seem to cloud your thinking.
It's a tough pill to swallow for those who don't want to give up the "we are Native Americans" idea. It would negate the entire system of the Indian Reservation, the no-tax-on-billions-gambiling-profits, Separate Nation status, that is, the system that seems to keep the Indians from melting into the Great Melting Pot called America. There is NO REASON in the world for the Indians (or any other group) to be a failure in this country.
The formula for success is education, marriage-before-children, jobs, (getting/keeping--working hard) and playing by the SAME rules that ALL of us have.
It would end their victim status to a great degree.
That Indians suffer from the effects of being a perpetual victim class is pretty evident with their continued and abyssmal educational and income levels and their high drop-out, welfare, suicide and out-of-wedlock birth rates.
THAT is the real discrimination regarding the Indians. Those are the REAL sins of all of us -- the Indians for allowing themselves to continue to be victims (taking the federal handouts) and for the rest of us for allowing our own fellow Americans to be treated as special victims, that is, unable to succeed without EXCESS, continual and very, very special treatment.
That is the antithesis of everything America stands for.
AmerICAN.
Can't be both victim and success. Can't have it both ways.
http://www.mnh.si.edu/arctic/html/kennewick_man.html
The man lacks definitive characteristics of the classic mongoloid stock to which modern Native Americans belong. The skull is dolichocranic (cranial index 73.8) rather than brachycranic, the face narrow and prognathous rather than broad and flat. Cheek bones recede slightly and lack an inferior zygomatic projection; the lower rim of the orbit is even with the upper. Other features are a long, broad nose that projects markedly from the face and high, round orbits. The mandible is v-shaped,with a pronounced, deep chin. Many of these characteristics are definitive of modern-day caucasoid peoples, while others, such as the orbits are typical of neither race. Dental characteristics fit Turner's (1983) Sundadont pattern, indicating possible relationship to south Asian peoples.
No matter how long we might study the Kennewick man we would never know the form or color of his eyes, skin and hair, whether his hair was curly or straight, his lips thin or full -- in short many of the characteristics by which we judge living peoples' racial affiliation. We will never be certain if his wound was by accident or intent, what language he spoke, or his religious beliefs. We cannot know if he is truly anyone's ancestor. Given the millennia since he lived, he may be sire to none or all of us.
Looks like YOU better watch the company YOU keep.
I always thought that the Columbus Day parade in New York s-cked anyway.
I don't have to block them because they never come to my computer or mail. Never have. Why would they?
But why would you have to block them? If you block them, then they must have tried to, er, soliticit you. They must have been, um, soliciting you for some, odd reason.
Strange. But then YOU are the one who brought up the racism and hate and their sites. You seem the one obsessed by it.
Why is that? I read about some broo-ha-ha with the St. Patrick's Day parade but not about the Columbus Day parade.
What's the deal?
I'm curious as to why those first mammoth hunters didn't stay here the first round. Or, did they, and they are the "Melungeons"?
The only ones making the kind of claims you made seem to be racist swine.
So, your conclusion is that ANYONE who thinks that the REAL native Americans were Europeans, like the anthropolical evidence seems to suggest with the findings of European remains that pre-date the Siberian-hunter groups, is a "racist swine"?
My, my, my. That makes NO sense at all and you know it.
You brillant Geneticist mind doesn't seem to be working here. Perhaps your emotions have gotten the best of you. Perhaps you, or your better half, are of American Indian descent. Perhaps you took this way too personally.
Dunno. But your thinking, imho, is NOT clear or straight and you know it. You simply won't admit it.
1. If those sites were blocked to you, then how do you know what was on them? How do you know what kind of people go there if you didn't read the site? How do you make the sweeping generalization without ever going to the site? Wow. What a very skewed logic that must involve.
Also, why were they blocked? I have never had to have them blocked because they never, ever advertise to me. Why would they be needed to be blocked if you never visited them?
Or were you merely blocking them for the heck of it? Understandable, perhaps, but a waste of time really, like blocking people who never e-amil you.
2. Lol. You do that so well. You must have SO much practice. Practice makes permanent.
Thank you for showing me and the thread your true colors.... PINK
You are the THOUGHT POLICE, a PINKO.
You are also true to form....when backed in a corner and when not having the courage, backbone or honesty to admit error....you ATTACK.
This is an attack of the PINKO Genetitcist! :o)
YOU seem to look at logic through URL addresses and that seems to be the natural depth of information for you.
I read the same thing. And I posted it. It shared some Caucasian features, and some Asiatic features. If you came up with the rest on your own than you have some company of a like mind.
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