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Net Closes on Alleged Suva Reka Killers
Balkan Investigative Reporting Network ^ | 9/30/05 | Balkan Insight

Posted on 09/30/2005 9:56:44 AM PDT by Hoplite

Ten Serb policemen accused of having carried out one of the worst massacres in the Kosovo war may soon face justice.

By an investigative team in Belgrade and Pristina

In the next few days an investigation will be launched against a group of Serbian policemen suspected of having killed 57 members of an Albanian family in Kosovo in spring 1999, Balkan Insight has learned from sources close to the Serbian prosecutor's war crimes office.

The slaughter took place in the midst of NATO's air war against Serb forces in Kosovo, which forced them to withdraw from the province that summer.

The bodies of the dead men, women and children, including a baby aged seven months, from the Kosovo town of Suva Reka were buried in pits in an army base in Prizren before being secretly transported to a new mass grave in the police compound at Batajnica, near Belgrade.

While the existence of the mass grave at Batajnica was uncovered in spring 2001, after the fall of the Milosevic regime, those responsible for the murders and the transportation have never been brought to justice - owing largely to police obstruction.

But our sources have revealed that ten men will be charged in a matter of days. This follows a decision by the Serbian war crimes office to go over the heads of the police in the past two years and interview Albanian and other witnesses directly.

The witnesses include a mother whose two children were executed in front of her but who, after being taken for dead and loaded onto a lorry, managed to jump off with her son and escape.

The ten suspects are the former commander of the Kosovo police, a former police chief in one Kosovo town, a former commander of a local police station in Kosovo, this officer's assistant, and a six-member squad including two secret policemen.

With the exception of two of them, these officers are still at work in the force, some in high posts.

The launch of a war crimes investigation normally requires the detention of the suspects, so the ten men may soon find themselves behind bars.

The expected probe confirms the suspicions of many Serbs that the police were deeply implicated in terrible crimes in Kosovo, and that for years afterwards, they systematically obstructed attempts by the courts to track down the guilty and shed light on what happened in this and other incidents.

Court experts say the prosecutor's office is now finally in a position to reopen the Suva Reka affair not because the police suddenly cooperated, but because legal changes enabled them to circumvent the force.

Last year, Serbian law was changed to allow the prosecutors to examine witnesses themselves without relying on prior police work, and to use these findings in criminal proceedings.

When this investigation becomes public, it is expected to create considerable nervousness in police ranks, and possible panic when the prosecutor's office releases all the material it has collected on this and other atrocities in Kosovo.

These include the murder of 100 Albanians in the village of Meja, 70 more in Zahac, and other killings in Djakovica, Pec, Prizren and Orahovac.

Vladimir Vukcevic, head of the prosecutor's war crimes office, says the business of getting to the bottom of the crimes in Suva Reka has proceeded painfully slowly.

"Everything done so far is the fruit of the work done by this prosecutor's office," he said. "Yet we still face obstruction in tracking down the people responsible for these war crimes."

BODIES FOUND - BUT NOT THE EXECUTIONERS

The mass graves in Batajnica and two other locations in Serbia were uncovered in spring 2001, and around 1,100 bodies of Albanians were exhumed over the following 30 months.

The largest number of bodies, 980, were found in Batajnica, and this find was followed by another at special police unit headquarters in Petrovo Selo, eastern Serbia, where 77 bodies were dug up. Forty-eight more were recovered from a lake at Perusac, close to Bosnia.

In May 2001, Serbia's interior ministry said the order to remove the bodies of Albanians killed in police actions and to rebury them at secret locations in Serbia came from the office of the then president Slobodan Milosevic in March 1999.

Besides Milosevic, said the ministry, the police minister at the time, Vlajko Stojiljkovic, attended the meeting, along with the chief of public security, General Vlastimir "Rodja" Djordjevic, the then head of the Serbian secret police, Radomir Markovic, and others.

The Hague tribunal has already charged several individuals with war crimes committed in Kosovo: namely Milosevic, Djordjevic, the former head of the general staff of the Yugoslav army, Nebojsa Pavkovic, and army and police generals Vladimir Lazarevic and Sreten Lukic.

MURDER IN THE PIZZERIA

Unlike the Hague tribunal, which seeks to establish the command responsibility of the state, military and police leadership for war crimes, the Serbian courts are looking into the whole command structure, from senior commanders to those who allegedly participated in killings.

Our source in the prosecutor's war crimes office says they now have gathered enough proof against the ten suspects in Suva Reka, in spite of police obstruction and the often unwilling cooperation of Albanian witnesses.

Prosecutor Vukcevic says the examination of Albanian witnesses was the turning point. "We got to those witnesses with the help of the Hague tribunal in Pristina, while UNMIK [United Nations Mission in Kosovo] ensured our security," he said.

They have now heard around 200 witnesses, among them 50 Albanians, while the others were Serbs then serving in Kosovo as members of the regular or special police units.

"It was tough working with Albanian witnesses in Kosovo," said a source. "It took a lot of convincing to get them to speak."

This source expressed suspicion that some of the Serb witnesses went to the police prior to their examination to be briefed on what they should say.

According to statements collected by the prosecutor's war crimes office, the massacre at Suva Reka took place on March 26, 1999 as Serb forces were making a detailed search of the area, apparently looking for weapons.

Among the police were a six-man squad which broke into the homestead of the Berisha family.

These findings coincided with research by our investigative team in 2003, which included an interview with a survivor of the massacre, Vjollca Berisha. She told then journalist that she well remembered the day when the police broke into their home - she recognised three of them.

"They told my brother-in-law Bujar Berisha to go outside. Beside the house they shot Bujar, six other men and a woman," she said.

Vjollca mentioned the killers by name, though it was impossible to publish the names for legal reasons.

After the police unit executed six adult males in the courtyard, the rest of the family fled to a shopping centre in the middle of town.

The police followed them, tracking them down to the Kalabria pizza parlour, and burst in, opening fire.

Vjollca told us, "The pizzeria was very small but we kept quiet. There were so many women, men and children inside. Suddenly someone started shooting from an automatic weapon and it went on for a long time. I screamed and fell down over my son Gramosh. We were covered in blood."

The police killers, she said, then checked the bodies for signs of life, "Someone grabbed my hand, but I pretended I was dead and didn't move. They shook my son, but he also played dead. I kept my eyes shut."

Among those who were not so lucky were her two other children, her seven-month-old baby and two-year-old daughter.

The police threw all the bodies - including the living - into a lorry, which set off towards the town of Prizren, she said.

When the truck slowed down, Syhrete Berisha, one of her relatives, managed to jump out. Half an hour later, Vjollca and her son crawled out from under the pile of bodies and escaped.

Of the rest of the Berisha family, the only traces are one identity card and some bits of clothing, all found at the Yugoslav army base near Prizren.

The war crimes prosecutor's office has now established the same version of events surrounding the case of the Berisha family.

It says the family were murdered and the bodies thrown into two lorries and taken to a barracks in Prizren, where they were left for a few days and then buried in three pits in the army compound.

But two weeks later, fresh orders came from Belgrade and the Serbs were told to dig up the bodies and get them to Batajnica.

Balkan Insight's source in the prosecutor's office says they have strong evidence that Vlastimir Djordjevic, the former head of public security, now thought to be hiding from the Hague tribunal in Russia, played a key role in the transfer of the bodies.

"Djordjevic personally gave the order for the bodies in Suva Reka to be taken from pits in Prizren to Batajnica," said the source.

"He himself found the lorries and other vehicles for the job. He also removed the traces of crimes from the other places in Kosovo," the source added.

Djordjevic is thought to have been in charge of locating the new mass graves in the Serbian interior, as well as directing the police who dug the new pits and threw the bodies in.

A source close to the former DOS (Democratic Opposition of Serbia) government in Belgrade which succeeded the Milosevic regime, says one of Djordjevic's most trusted accomplices leaked the whole story to them.

This man led them to the location of the pits in Batajnica after falling out with his police bosses over a row about accommodation. He showed them the exact spot where he dug the graves with excavators and buried the bodies.

"Djordejevic called me up and told me to go to a building firm and get hold of a digger, and that my officer would then tell me what needed to be done," recalled the man, who will probably appear as a witness in any forthcoming trial.

PERPETRATORS AND WITNESSES

Police resistance to clearing up the case of the mass graves was apparent soon after the spectacular discovery of the first pit in Batajnica.

Journalists soon noted the police's strong reserve towards answering questions, as well as their suggestion that they had now completed their side of the task.

The Belgrade district court, meanwhile, said charges could only be brought against persons cited by the police themselves in a criminal proceeding. But the police never named or charged anyone.

Matters started to change at the end of 2003, when, after the Serbian office for war crimes was set up and took over the Batajnica case, its representatives publicly warned that it might be difficult ever to find out who was behind the slaughter in Suva Reka or the mass graves.

They also made public mention of the police as potential actors, saying that "it is possible that those who perpetuated those criminal acts are to be found in the police ranks".

That the men allegedly responsible for the Suva Reka killings were policemen was evident to journalists who interviewed surviving witnesses in Kosovo.

Gordana Igric, editor of Balkan Insight, investigated the Suva Reka case over several months in 2003 and compiled a list of policemen named by locals as the men behind the crimes.

One of the key perpetrators, a state security policeman in Suva Reka, has since been transferred to the police department in Kragujevac, she was told.

When Igric tried to find out whether this person was still on the police pay roll, she says state security officials contacted her and advised her to "deal with more pleasant things and forget the whole subject". The next day she also received a series of threats.

Natasa Kandic, director of the Humanitarian Law Centre in Belgrade, told Balkan Insight that all state security personnel in Kosovo after the summer of 1999 were moved to Serbia and incorporated into the existing state security system.

"From the start, the main problem lay in the fact that those who had issued and executed the orders were members of the Serbian police - and still are," she said.

Kandic insists that ever since 1999, police have falsified and changed documents and controlled possible witnesses with a view to concealing the crimes that had taken place.

"They are not a crime prevention force but a discovery-prevention force," she said.

One source who wanted to remain anonymous shared the same opinion, "There are people [in the police] who have been strongly interconnected as participants and witnesses. They look after each other and do everything they can to stop information leaking out."

This is the reason, some believe, why the courts never came into possession of a document called "Dossiers K and M", which is thought to be in the hands of the police. This file is believed to contain comprehensive information about the chain of command in Kosovo and a full record of events there at the time the war crimes were committed.

Asked about police obstruction in the case, chief prosecutor Vukcevic said recently, "My feeling is that there are still plenty of people in the police whose conscience is not clear when it comes to events in Kosovo. Until the police cleans up its ranks, we will always have difficulties locating the perpetrators."

The police ministry formed its own war crimes unit in 2003, which does not come under the prosecutor's war crimes office.

With only a small staff, it has achieved few results, leading some to suspect that it was never intended to be more than a decoy.

"There are far too few people employed in it for the task it's been set," commented Vukcevic.

Several independent sources have alleged that some individuals now working in the police's war crimes unit had occupied important positions in Kosovo.

The source close to the former DOS government said, "One of them was chef-de-cabinet for Djordjevic, and a second was a member of police headquarters in Pristina".

Balkan Insight asked to interview the Serbian ministry of interior on this matter, but had received no answer by the time this report went to press.

In a short telephone conversation, Vladimir Bozovic, inspector general at the department for complaints about police behaviour, said he had received no complaints from the prosecutor's war crimes office concerning police obstruction in the Suva Reka case.

Few people in Serbia are optimistic about the wind of reform blowing through the ranks of the police any time soon.

Bearing in mind how much time it has already taken to investigate the Suva Reka case, many warn that the process of identifying war crimes suspects among Serbia's unreformed police may be a prolonged one.

Milos Vasic of the Belgrade weekly Vreme cautions that the climate in Serbia is by no means supportive of the work of the war crimes prosecutor.

"Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic [former Bosnian Serb military and political chiefs] are still treated like heroes in Serbia," he said "And the present government is doing nothing to change that prevailing system of values."

He added, "When the investigation on Batajnica gets under way, it will be another big shock for the Serbian public."

This investigation was produced by the team of Balkan Insight. Balkan Insight is an online publication produced by Balkan Investigative Reporting Network, BIRN. The investigation was supported by the Danish association of investigative journalism, FUJ, under its SCOOP programme.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: balkans; clintonistas; islamopropaganda; jihadapologists; klajihad; klamurderers; kneepadwearers; kosovo; lies; milosevic; serbia; serbwarcriminals; soros; soroslies; sorosmedia; warcrimes
Perhaps someday the police who executed the Bytyqui brothers will be brought to justice, and our Ambassador can quit asking the Serbian authorities to deal with the matter.

It is apparent that neither the Serbs in Belgrade, nor those supporitng Serbia here on FR, understand how the lack of accountability for those who did Slobo's dirty work is keeping Serbia in the international doghouse.

One can only hope that self interest will finally take hold, as the realization that the criminals who used to victimize non-Serbs during the war years are now preying upon their own.

1 posted on 09/30/2005 9:56:49 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

If that was one of the worst massacres of the war, what do you think should be done with a person who personally ordered the massacre of hundreds of innocent civilians in a train on their way to work? Would that be considered worse than the worst that Serbs have done?


2 posted on 09/30/2005 10:00:55 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Aren't the "reality-based community" folks the same ones who insist there is no objective reality?)
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To: Hoplite

are the serbs Muslem?


3 posted on 09/30/2005 10:05:47 AM PDT by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: All

FREE-MARKET ECONOMICS *Ping*

Please FRmail alessandrofiaschi if you want to be added to or removed from this Free-market Economics ping list.


4 posted on 09/30/2005 10:11:17 AM PDT by alessandrofiaschi (Is Roberts really a conservative?)
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SORRY, JUST A PROOF...


5 posted on 09/30/2005 10:11:54 AM PDT by alessandrofiaschi (Is Roberts really a conservative?)
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To: thoughtomator
Who ordered such a thing?

Nobody, that's who - the Bistrica Bridge was dropped as a train crossed it, killing twenty civilians, and HRW included the incident in their investigation of civilian deaths during Allied Force.

Don't worry, you're not the only one who can't tell apples for oranges - and if you want to pursue the prosecution of American servicemen for warcrimes based upon bogus rationales, well, have fun with it.

6 posted on 09/30/2005 10:16:45 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

I see much worse happen in the world all the time. Those who hold ire for the Serbs seem not to care when it is Chinese or Muslims doing it. Since all the lies that underpinned the allied attack on Serbia have been long since debunked, I wonder to what degree additional accusations can be treated as credible, and even if the charges are 100% true, what is our interest in it?

The actions of our military forces under the micromanaging direction of the Clinton administration constituted war crimes by even the strictest definition: 1) deliberate attacks upon non-combatant civilians, and 2) attacking a diplomatic embassy.

And all for what? To set up an Islamic terror state in the heart of the Balkans?

I can't help but see those who single out Serbs for prosecution or persecution as engaging in the same behavior as those who single out Israelis. The case against each is almost entirely propaganda that disintegrates upon inspection, in both cases the Muslims are the aggressors, and in both cases the naive attitude of the West assists those who would destroy us.


7 posted on 09/30/2005 10:25:08 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Aren't the "reality-based community" folks the same ones who insist there is no objective reality?)
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To: thoughtomator
Since all the lies that underpinned the allied attack on Serbia have been long since debunked

Thanks for playing.

Do not pass "GO"
Do not collect $200
Go directly to Antiwar.com

8 posted on 09/30/2005 10:31:20 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

That is exactly the response I would expect from someone with no argument to make. Notice my complete and utter lack of surprise.


9 posted on 09/30/2005 10:32:38 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Aren't the "reality-based community" folks the same ones who insist there is no objective reality?)
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To: LtKerst
are the serbs Muslem?

Except for the ones hanging out at Belgrade airport playing tamborines - those are Hare Krishnas.

10 posted on 09/30/2005 10:41:47 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: thoughtomator
You're merely getting the time devoted to you that you deserve for parrotting such drivel.

No more, no less.

There is no real argument about what happened in Kosovo anymore - it's all known save for what the Serbs did with the balance of the bodies which are still missing, and how far individuals like you will go to try and misrepresent the facts already established about what transpired there.

11 posted on 09/30/2005 10:50:10 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Ah yes, you have all the eyewitness statements, but not the evidence. And what is to assure us that witnesses weren't exaggerating? Isn't that sort of exaggeration extremely common among Muslims? Israel conducted a massacre in Jenin, they say, a major, global propaganda point, yet the only bodies are fighters'. Why would any person believe that the treatment of Serbia is not in the same vein? How did it come that the "good guys" in that fight - as in Israel - were also allied with al-Qaeda and Iran?


12 posted on 09/30/2005 12:43:35 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Aren't the "reality-based community" folks the same ones who insist there is no objective reality?)
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To: thoughtomator
but not the evidence

And just like that, all the bodies disinterred from places like Batajnica, Perucac, or any of the mass graves in Kosovo disappears...

Save the David Irving act for someone else, m'kay? The SAJ slaughtered women and children at Suva Reka, but screwed you when they didn't properly dispose of the bodies, leaving them to be exhumed and identified so that your attempts at denial and obfuscation are so much wasted effort.

13 posted on 09/30/2005 1:26:01 PM PDT by Hoplite
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"...but screwed you when they didn't properly dispose of the bodies..."

Are you accusing another poster of supporting murder? That is really beyond the pale.

14 posted on 10/03/2005 7:41:04 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: thoughtomator
Just remember that all of the Serbs, Roma, and Albanians who opposed the KLA and were murdered by the Islamofascists just don't count.

Bill Clinton says so!
15 posted on 10/03/2005 7:44:07 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Hoplite

Stupid self justifying Muslim shill. A broken record. That's you


16 posted on 10/03/2005 7:48:52 PM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: Hoplite

Mohammedans have been mass murdering ever since the days of Muhammad who was the first Muslim terrorist


17 posted on 10/03/2005 7:50:49 PM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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UNMIK suspects 900 Serbs were buried in Suva Reka mass grave

July 20, 2001
"UNMIK suspects that 900 Serbs and non-Albanians, killed after the deployment of KFOR troops in Kosovo, were buried in a mass grave in Suva Reka near Prizren", head of the Bureau for Missing and Detained Persons in the office of HRCA, Monique Fienberg, said on Thursday. "The bodies have not been identified which means that members of any ethnic community could have been buried in Suva Reka. However, we suspect those are the bodies of Serbs and members of minority communities", Fienberg told B92 radio. Fienberg was not able to give exact information when the exhumation of the bodies buried in Suva Reka would commence, saying that the process would most probably be carried out next year.
18 posted on 10/03/2005 9:43:34 PM PDT by zagor-te-nej (http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm)
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Typical of the Islamofascists, they attempt to use Serbs murdered by their ilk as evidence against the Serbs. Then they wonder why they instinctively flee the light of truth.
19 posted on 10/03/2005 10:07:00 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: zagor-te-nej
The "Suva Reka mass graves" story you posted was debunked immediately after it was published - yet you're still trotting it out as if it were valid news - what's your major malfunction?

Been here, done that.

20 posted on 10/03/2005 11:01:11 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; All

Thanks for the link – number of valid points there.
After all that digging in 99/2000 what occupying forces found? They allegedly found 4000 bodies?!! What happened to all those horror stories how evil Serbs killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Albanians? Lies, distortions, disaffirmations – as rest of claims made against Serbs in former Yugoslavia.

Of that number (4000) – 1256 is unidentified – non-Albanians no doubt! If they could somehow pronounce them Albanians, they would do it. That leaves 2744 identified. You can not find their names and other data. Reason, some of them were civilians killed by NATO, some of them were killed by KLA terrorist and some of dead bodies belonged to liquidated terrorist. After 2000, “international community” stops digging – they were finding too many non-Albanian bodies. We will have to wait for Serbs to reclaim their stolen property to discover truth.

Sadly, many bodies will never be identified – Albanian Nazi incinerated them:
http://www.pogledi.co.yu/galerija/sz/1.php

When that happens, “international community” is silent. They are very loud when they need to invent Serbian “sins”:
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/035.shtml

They are absolutely silent when genocide against Serbs takes place.


21 posted on 10/04/2005 6:31:51 PM PDT by zagor-te-nej (http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm)
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What happened to all those horror stories how evil Serbs killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Albanians?

Never happened - the 100,000 were reported as unaccounted for, and in light of satellite imagery of places like Izbica, where the Serbs massacred over 100 K-Albanians, and against the context of Srebrenica, where the thin veneer of civilization proved too much of a hassle for the Serbs, Scheffer and Cohen speculated that they may have been murdered, and made clear in their comments that the men's fate was unknown (Cohen put the number of executed up to that point at 4,600, based upon intelligence reports).

Since the discovery of the K-Albanian corpses in Serbia's SAJ/MUP training grounds, the issue is moot - the Serbs were murdering K-Albanians, and felt guilty enough about it to try and hide the evidence of their crimes, just like at Srebrenica.

And just like at Srebrenica, they failed, but the differently enabled still feels compelled to take up the challenge of denying the historical record in order to propagate Serbia's claim to exclusive victimhood.

As to Kosovo's missing Serbs, of the ~2700 persons still carried as "missing related to Kosovo" by the ICRC, some 500 are Serb, 200 non-Serb/non-Albanian, and the rest Albanian, while UNMIK's OMPF reports (as of 1/1/05) that since it took over operations from the ICTY, it has identified 905 exhumed individuals, of which 705 were Albanian, 99 non-Albanian, and 99 awaiting return to their families (ethnicity unspecified).

If you choose to remain ignorant as to what's happening in Kosovo in regards to the missing, then you've got nobody to blame but yourself. - the information is published and available to the public, just be advised that if you're going to declare that the information isn't specific enough in regards to Albanians, then you had better get used to seeing your claims of Serb victims disallowed on the same grounds.

The ICTY exhumed ~4k bodies through 2000 and a further ~2k since in both Kosovo and Serbia, which put the total number of recovered victims at around 6,000 so far.

And we're still waiting on Belgrade to fully disclose the operation to dispose/hide K-Albanian victims from Kosovo during the war, so that tally's not finished yet.

22 posted on 10/04/2005 11:16:50 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

And how many of those Albanians were killed by the KLA?

That's one of the details that Clinton's knee pad brigade doesn't want answered.


23 posted on 10/05/2005 8:54:35 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib
Regardless of who doesn't want what answered, at some point all the data that's going to be collected will be collected, statistically analyzed, and a number placed in the columns representing "Killed by Serbs", "Killed by Albanians" , & "Killed by NATO" for both civilians and combatants, in the same manner that the Research and Documentation Center in Sarajevo is doing for the war in Bosnia with their "Population Losses in Bosnia and Herzegovina 92-95" project.

I'll be happy to see both projects completed, in addition to the Serbian government's finally getting around to quantifying Serbia's civilian and military losses during Allied Force.

Until that time, however, you're just going to have to be happy with the names on the various victim annexes included in the Milosevic, Perisic, and Milutinovic et al. indictments, along with those victims recovered from inside Serbia proper, as being the minimum number of Albanians killed by Serbs, and the Albanian names in the annexes included in the Limaj et al. indictment as being the minimum number of Albanians killed by Albanians.

If you want to flesh those numbers out some more, knock yourself out.

24 posted on 10/05/2005 9:51:55 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

there were many more Albs killed by their albanian brothers then what the Serbs did to the Albs. Time to move on, ergo. There is no accurate figure that quantifies being error free. The only "official" figure will be what the BiH muslim govt officials make it to be...kind of like the Srebr and Zepa numbers.


25 posted on 10/06/2005 9:26:19 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: Hoplite
If you want to flesh those numbers out some more, knock yourself out.

As I said, that's one of the details that Clinton's knee pad brigade doesn't want answered.

26 posted on 10/06/2005 5:21:25 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib

read the former FBI directors book..tells you what the type of character clinton has. enough said.


27 posted on 10/07/2005 6:43:24 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: Hoplite
The bodies of the dead men, women and children, including a baby aged seven months, from the Kosovo town of Suva Reka were buried in pits in an army base in Prizren before being secretly transported to a new mass grave in the police compound at Batajnica, near Belgrade.

How does the "Balkan Investigative Network" know all of this? Who is the "Balkan Investigative Network"? Who writes this stuff for you Hopelite? Is this some self-appointed group of albanian murderers organized for the purpose of propagandizing and smokescreening the ongoing KLA atrocities the past six years? Dissemination of pro-jihad disinformation seems to be your primary function here on Freerepublic Hopelite.

Instead of always pretending to be the victim, why not tell us about the Christian monks, priests and nuns you've kidnapped and murdered in Kosovo since 1999 and the 120 or so churches and monasteries you've destroyed in your efforts to "ethnically cleanse" Serbs from the province?

28 posted on 10/08/2005 8:23:17 AM PDT by kimosabe31
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To: kimosabe31
How does the "Balkan Investigative Network" know all of this?

Probably because they've been paying attention to goings on in the regiion and at the trial of Slobodan Milosevic.

An Ashkali gravedigger testified as to the removal of bodies from Prizren to Serbia, and some of the corpses at Batajnica were identified as persons who were killed at Suva Reka.

I'm surprised you don't know this.

Not.

29 posted on 10/08/2005 10:34:30 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: kimosabe31; dennisw; thoughtomator; LtKerst; getoffmylawn; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; ...
How does the "Balkan Investigative Network" know all of this? Who is the "Balkan Investigative Network"?

From their own website:

The network came together through the members’ association with a regional media development project run by the Institute for War & Peace Reporting.
So we see that this is nothing more than yet another Soros-founded, funded, and backed organization dedicated to securing stolen properties in the Balkans for Mr. Soros. That they have to create the organizations necessary to perpetuate their lies speaks volumes.

More lies, same source, same poster. Surprise, surprise.

30 posted on 10/08/2005 1:16:49 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib
Not only is the the "Balkan Investigative Network" the bastard offspring of IWPR, its country (sic) rep is Jeta Xhara.

Jeta was an IWPR rep in Kosovo and was also a BBC field producer in Kosovo. So we can see how impartial she it!

Jeta has a Masters in War Studies and Scriptwriting.

Her Bachelors degree is in Dramaturgy from the University of Pristina. What is dramaturgy? This line from Wikipedia sums it up very well!

More than actual writing, dramaturg's work can often be defined as designing.
From her degrees and job experience one can see that she quite adept at fabricating fiction!
31 posted on 10/08/2005 3:23:04 PM PDT by F-117A
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To: FormerLib; F-117A

Nice find both of you. Well Done!!


32 posted on 10/08/2005 5:50:27 PM PDT by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! And please DON'T feed the trolls!)
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To: Jane_N; FormerLib; F-117A
Page 44250

19   Q. Just one matter of detail about Kosovo that I wanted assistance
20   on, Mr. Seselj, because I found your answers hard to follow. The movement
21   of bodies to Batajnica. Now, please, first of all, tell us what you are
22   saying as a basis -- on the basis of your investigations happened. What
23   happened?
24   A. Based on the efforts I made to get information, on orders from
25   Western intelligence agencies, certain political factors in Serbia

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1   collected a number of Albanian bodies, transported them to Batajnica,
2   buried them there so that at a suitable moment they might be discovered so
3   that the public might be horrified and thus accept more easily first the
4   arrest and then the extradition of Mr. Milosevic to The Hague Tribunal.
5   So everything was calculated to achieve that end.

I guess Seselj works for Soros too, huh guys?

Or is what IWPR reported simply an account of the facts, which you lot are unable to accept?

Hmmm... tough one.

33 posted on 10/08/2005 7:34:31 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; Jane_N; FormerLib; F-117A

You are really getting desperate – quoting Mr. Seselj of all people!!

What Seselj meant to say is that certain political factors in Serbia (being on payroll of Soros and likes) collected a number of dead Albanians KILLED by Albanian terrorist and NATO and transported them to Batajnica.
You’ve noticed correctly that genocide against Albanians “Never happened”, so there is really no reason to support Albanian terrorist and narco-dealers in terrorizing non-Albanians.

http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/


34 posted on 10/08/2005 8:40:37 PM PDT by zagor-te-nej (http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm)
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To: Hoplite
Or is what IWPR reported simply an account of the facts...

Odd how you feel free to reject any reports coming form the Serb media but drop to your kneepads whenever Soros, or any of his organizations, needs service. What a joke this is! LOL!

35 posted on 10/09/2005 12:02:29 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib
I didn't reject the report in #18 because it was from Serb media, Lib, but because it was incorrect, as demonstrated.

Duh.

36 posted on 10/09/2005 3:21:41 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
I wasn't referring to that specific posting but to your myriad attempts to refute reports about al-Qaida operatives in Kosovo and Bosnia merely by noting that it is the Serbian media who is unconvering the truth.

Double duh, klloshar.

Posting stuff written by the Soros lackeys sort of proves how the truth works against your side.

37 posted on 10/09/2005 3:41:39 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Hoplite
"The SAJ slaughtered women and children at Suva Reka, but screwed you when they didn't properly dispose of the bodies, leaving them to be exhumed and identified so that your attempts at denial and obfuscation are so much wasted effort."

Then name the women and children they have found? There have been no children found in the graves - they are all KLA military recruitment age. Just about all are 18 and above. There may be half a dozen around 16/17, but certainly no pre-teens or babies. The KLA was known to recruit underage from Kosovo and Albania - there have been reports about child soldiers being used in the Kosovo war. Still, none have been found as in the horror stories which talk about young children and babies.

But if you know different then give the names and ages.

38 posted on 10/09/2005 4:27:30 PM PDT by joan
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To: FormerLib

Makes sense...hopelite a soros weasel spreading disinformation on FR.


39 posted on 10/10/2005 9:51:12 AM PDT by kimosabe31
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To: kimosabe31

Yeah, you have to pay someone to get them to act the fool as our "friend" does with these bogus reports.


40 posted on 10/10/2005 11:38:17 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: joan
There have been no children found in the graves

Page 205

16   Well, you will also hear evidence about the results of exhumation
17   sites in an area outside of Belgrade called Batajnica. One of those sites
18   was located outside the perimeter fence of the grounds housing the
19   anti-terrorist police referred to as the SAJ.
20   Between the 12th and the 26th of June of 2001, approximately 37
21   bodies were recovered from that site. In addition to recovering the
22   bodies of 13 men, the remains of 14 adult females, 9 children, and a 7- to
23   8-month-old fetus were found. You will recall that one of the women
24   murdered in the cafe was eight months pregnant.
25   What was even more startling was the fact that the identification

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1   documents found among the clothing of several of the victims revealed the
2   identification of at least seven people who had been victims of the Suva
3   Reka massacre which occurred on the 26th of March, 1999.

If you'd bothered to acquaint yourself with appendix K from Milosevic's indictment, you'd see that of the 44 named individuals killed by Serbian forces, 22 are women, and 13 are 13 years of age or younger (5 girls, 8 boys).

You're reduced to playing dumb and hoping nobody's better informed than you are.

Pathetic.

41 posted on 10/10/2005 12:26:58 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: FormerLib
If I've taken issue with media reports, it's usually because they're wrong - like Dragomir Andan's statements on a Bosnian connection to the Madrid bombings.

However, if you don't agree, feel free to cite specific examples.

42 posted on 10/10/2005 12:30:40 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
an AK round is an AK round, the same round and MM the KLA uses. Or, does it distinguish itself from the other terrorist groups nomenclature?

The proof is to determine the ownership of those rounds. Unfortunately, that is nearly impossible and you can't get prints off them either.

43 posted on 10/10/2005 4:38:49 PM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: Hoplite
War crimes suspects in custody | 14:41 October 26 | B92

BELGRADE -- Wednesday – Nine individuals suspected of war crimes perpetrated in Suva Reka have been taken into custody and are awaiting questioning by the War Crimes Sector of the Belgrade District Court.

War crimes court representative Bruno Vekaric said that among the nine suspects, six are current employees of the Serbian Ministry of Internal Affairs. The war crimes investigation stems from the mass grave site uncovered in Batajnica in which the remains of murdered civilians from the Kosovo village of Suva Reka were found.

“The prosecutor’s office for war crimes, on October 3, requested permission to begin an investigation into nine individuals who are suspected of committing war crimes against civilians in Kosovo in March of 1999. These individuals were taken in to the investigative court and their period of confinement will soon be determined. The crimes in question revolve around events which took place in Suva Reka, where according to our information, 48 civilians were killed, fourteen of which were under the age of fifteen.” Vekaric said.

President of the Humanitarian Rights Fund, Natasa Kandic, expects that the Suva Reka case will open up new indictments related to other war crimes activities.

“The Suva Reka case is just one of many, and was very well organized and thought out by officials of the Suva Reka police station, whose goal it was to push a majority of the population out of the village and back towards the Albanian border.” Kandic said.

“According to information which the HRF has, during the NATO bombing, more than 25,000 people were forced out of the municipality of Suva Reka, about 300 people are still missing, and many of the bodies found in the mass graves in Batajnica have still not been identified. What I would like to see is an answer to why we are still working with police officers today that were direct participants in war crimes activities.” Kandic said.

And the beat goes on...

44 posted on 10/26/2005 2:54:17 PM PDT by Hoplite
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