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Swirl Theory - For the "Told You So" archives.
Nova, Discovery, and My Personal Opinion ^ | Oct. 1st | Me

Posted on 10/01/2005 12:30:30 AM PDT by md2576

My "Swirl Theory"

We hear of string theory, the Big Bang and many other ideas.

I have come up with this idea over the past several days. Katrina and Rita has turned my attention towards this as I have discovered a new theory as of late that black holes may be present at the center of each galaxy.

Using the theory that a black hole could have possibly been created in space by gases which collapsed into itself churning and sucking gasses and space debris around it into a swirling vortex. This swirling vortex of gas eventually condensed into planets and solar systems.

Here comes my theory.

I began looking at our galaxy as a hurricane in the ocean. (No I'm not stoned!) O.K. maybe :o)_~~```

If you see a picture of both you will see the physical resemblance. It doesn't stop there just keep reading.

If we look at the black hole as the eye of the storm we can then picture it forming as a hurricane.

Maybe a black hole is a great mass condensed into a microscopic particle which warps the fabric of space because of it's weight. That's what some scientists say.

Although, it could be like the eye of a hurricane with it's pressure pushing down on the water directly below it with great force. This pressure from the eye ("black hole") is pushing on the fabric of space to warp it in such a manner it will create the cone that swallows everything.

Perhaps this storm (black hole) was caused by gases like a tropical depression creates a hurricane.

The hurricane then swirls and gathers up all surrounding clouds water and vapor to feed itself for growth. Perhaps the black hole gathers surrounding space debris and gases to form our swirling galaxy. As gases and debris swirl they condense to make solar systems and planets.

Hurricanes often spawn tornados. If we look at solar systems as tornados spawn off from the hurricane (galaxy) then it starts to come together (maybe).

These galaxy swirls have spawned smaller swirls creating solar systems that spawned smaller swirls that created planets. Now if we can imagine the planets creating even smaller swirls we can eventually come to our littlest round friends the Atoms. Atoms that are round in shape like our planets.

Earth uses hurricanes to draw energy from the equator. Perhaps this is what galaxies do. Don't know.

Hurricane wind speed and rotation is slower at the outer edge just like stars at the edge of the galaxy. They spin faster as they reach the center (eye).

Perhaps our galaxy is slowly spinning towards the center which may contain a black hole. Not trying to say dooms day but it makes sense like the winds and gases of a hurricane spin towards the eye.

Taking a center point or "eye" of the storm approach to our galaxy is not far fetched. Our planet alone creates these same swirls several times a year and are the largest and most destructive forces we see, on a regular basis. Just looking at a galaxy you see the trademark swirl as if it were swirling towards the center.

One problem with this tornado theory is why is our solar system is not swirling towards it's center (the sun). Well, this I cannot explain among many other problems. We have never seen a hurricane reach full strength without interruption from land, wind or other outside forces. Perhaps the vacuum of space allows for debris to finally condense in the middle of the smaller storms (solar systems) and this is what causes condensed gases to become a hot ball of gas like our sun. Or perhaps these smaller swirls do not have the power to warp space enough to cause a  black hole but enough to make a large star.

Now when I say tornado it really throws you off because A tornado does not have the same physical characteristics as a hurricane. I believe the large Hurricane like swirl of our galaxy causes smaller (but similar in physical properties) swirls which over time condense smaller more local gasses and debris to form planets around it's eye (i.e. the sun).

If smaller and smaller hurricane type swirls were created by larger swirls then we could (I THINK) mathematically come up with swirls small enough to condense and make atoms.

 So, did strings create these atoms or did microscopic swirling gases or swirling "something"? I'm not the physicist.

My Two Cents.....if it's worth that :o)

 

 


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Philosophy; Unclassified; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bigbang; blackholes; cary; stringtheory; universe
Ideas grow by telling them to others and them adding to it. So add away or insult away but I thought I should put my idea out there since I've never heard it before.

P.S. No swirlie Jokes ;-)

1 posted on 10/01/2005 12:30:31 AM PDT by md2576
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To: md2576
Altering the Title results in this incomprehensible Title
2 posted on 10/01/2005 12:33:24 AM PDT by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: MJY1288

Working on that, thought html in titles worked. Guess not.


3 posted on 10/01/2005 12:34:28 AM PDT by md2576 (You can't see the light when your DUnderground)
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To: md2576

Thanks admin 4 the title change!


4 posted on 10/01/2005 12:36:52 AM PDT by md2576 (You can't see the light when your DUnderground)
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To: md2576
Although, it could be like the eye of a hurricane with it's pressure pushing down on the water directly below it with great force. This pressure from the eye ("black hole") is pushing on the fabric of space to warp it in such a manner it will create the cone that swallows everything.

The "eye" of a hurricane is noted for its extreme LOW pressure..

5 posted on 10/01/2005 12:36:59 AM PDT by cardinal4 (No more catchy taglines-The Left just plain sucks...)
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To: md2576
LOL, I learned the hard way myself :-)

It's a Free Republic thing, not really your bad :-)

6 posted on 10/01/2005 12:37:58 AM PDT by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: cardinal4

Interesting. Didn't know that. TY


7 posted on 10/01/2005 12:38:23 AM PDT by md2576 (You can't see the light when your DUnderground)
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To: md2576

Punch it up. Do some fancy math. Get some galaxy models on your PC. Submit articles to Science or other prominent journals. You will be famous.
I like the giant swizzle stick theory myself.


8 posted on 10/01/2005 12:46:19 AM PDT by carumba
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To: cardinal4
Perhaps the black hole does not cause a depression in the fabric of space. Instead of everything being dragged to nothingness, perhaps the black hole renews it's inner wall with an outer wall as hurricanes do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewall_replacement_cycle

 

9 posted on 10/01/2005 12:46:49 AM PDT by md2576 (You can't see the light when your DUnderground)
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To: carumba

Math? Uh oh! Maybe I can catch the attention of some genius who will let me ride their coattail. LOL


10 posted on 10/01/2005 12:48:27 AM PDT by md2576 (You can't see the light when your DUnderground)
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To: md2576

Since you're on a roll with theories, here's mine (unrelated to astronomy) about the functional lightsabre:

All known matter is surrounded by a kind of cloud of electrons. Electrons are electrically neutral. This is why my fingers are able to push down on these keys as I type: Like charges repel each other.

What if, through some collossal blunder of physics, the atoms of my fingers were surrounded by a cloud of positively charged electrons (Called Positrons)? My fingers would then pass through the keyboard, causing a shearing effect that would seperate the matter at the atomic level, damaging the keyboard as well as my fingers.

If a controllable beam of positrons were to be emitted in a preset area and stream, it would pass through all known forms of matter. In fact, the only thing that would halt such a shearing effect would be another beam of positrons.

We are already able to make electrons pretty much do what we want (stunguns, Tesla Coils, etc.). How difficult would it be to do the same with positrons?

As a lifesaving tool, it would effortlessly cut through steel, concrete and anything else the user wished. As a weapon, it would bore holes through armor thicker than anything currently known. Anything made of atoms would be influenced by a positron beam.

That's the theory. Putting it in a package the size of a chrome flashlight, however.....


11 posted on 10/01/2005 12:53:03 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: md2576
P.S. No swirlie Jokes ;-)

Then I have nothing to say.:)

12 posted on 10/01/2005 12:55:25 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: RandallFlagg
Your not my father are you?!? Had to say it!
LOL
Good Idea.


I don't know if your familiar with string theory but at one time they had several string theories and then whittled it down to five. One scientist threw them all out saying they were mirror theories of the same thing.

Well, maybe they were "bands" of the storm that leads to the eye? See my Simile?

13 posted on 10/01/2005 12:59:08 AM PDT by md2576 (You can't see the light when your DUnderground)
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To: md2576

There was a site done by a Robert Brown in Australia listing the scientific details about lightsabres, turbolasers, and many other Star Wars technologies. He got so much hate mail that he took it down. Too bad, too. It was a great site.

My theory wasn't listed on it when it was up, though.


14 posted on 10/01/2005 1:08:35 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg

Theories are exactly that, Theories.
Whether they be conspiracy or not. Many people feel, If you don't have the proof I don't want to hear it.


15 posted on 10/01/2005 1:20:06 AM PDT by md2576 (You can't see the light when your DUnderground)
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To: RandallFlagg

Why not use a stream of protons, we have the technology for that.


16 posted on 10/01/2005 1:50:36 AM PDT by sumocide
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To: md2576
Math? Uh oh! Maybe I can catch the attention of some genius who will let me ride their coattail. LOL

Another great mind not ruined by higher education. LOL

17 posted on 10/01/2005 2:28:23 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Please sit down and tell me logically and quietly.)
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To: md2576
"Maybe a black hole is a great mass condensed into a microscopic particle which warps the fabric of space because of it's weight. That's what some scientists say.

It's mass not weight. The difference in not trivial

Although, it could be like the eye of a hurricane with it's pressure pushing down on the water directly below it with great force. This pressure from the eye ("black hole") is pushing on the fabric of space to warp it in such a manner it will create the cone that swallows everything.

Actually, a storm like a hurricane includes a serious drop in pressure, nothing is pushing especially hard down on anything.

18 posted on 10/01/2005 2:49:41 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: md2576

Water levels rise in a hurricane because there is so little pressure at the center. Also, that is the reason for the winds; pressure is so low that (denser) air from the surrounding area rushes in to equalize the pressure.

One difference between galaxies and hurricanes is the cross section; the top and bottom of a cane are different; canes have a chimney effect with clockwise outflow, something that doesn't occur in a galaxy. I don't think.


19 posted on 10/01/2005 3:24:17 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality - Miami)
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To: md2576

20 posted on 10/01/2005 3:27:20 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality - Miami)
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To: md2576
Is that swirl clockwise?
21 posted on 10/01/2005 3:32:25 AM PDT by johnny7 (I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean sh_t.)
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To: RandallFlagg

I prefer a molecular whip. It would have a handle and the entire whip would only be a filament one atom in width. Swing it around and it should cut through anything. Add some juice to it wo cause an electrical jolt to your target. Plus, if ever it breaks, since it is only one atom in width, you could have a coil of it, much like a fishing reel, so it would be easy to re-lengthen the filament.


22 posted on 10/01/2005 4:08:52 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (Christian, Comedian, Husband,Opa, Dog Owner, former Cat Co-dweller, and all around good guy.)
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To: md2576

Very different.
Not all galaxies are spiral.
It is actually the outflow that gives the hurricane its shape.
Why am I wasting my time on this?


23 posted on 10/01/2005 4:11:47 AM PDT by KeyWest
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To: RandallFlagg
As a lifesaving tool, it would effortlessly cut through steel, concrete and anything else the user wished

You're talking about a light-sabre. While originally developed for the logging industry and the Outback Steak House for tough steaks, it was quickly adopted by the Dark Side to be used against the Jedi's

Personally, I thought phasers were a far superior weapon (If set on "destroy" rather than "stune") since they could be used at a distance and didn't require the hand to hand stuff...

24 posted on 10/01/2005 4:21:46 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I'm tired of idiots and don't have enough ammo to shoot them all.......Jeez, I hate that thought!)
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To: sumocide

Because protons are a component of matter. A proton hitting a proton would not shear (cut). And, all matter has at least one proton.


25 posted on 10/01/2005 4:48:00 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg

The trick would be to get the positrons to travel in a a very extended oval, a flat loop, and keep them there, otherwise your beam would just keep going, and going...


26 posted on 10/01/2005 4:56:52 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: md2576

Your's is as fine a theory as is out there.


27 posted on 10/01/2005 5:15:16 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: md2576

I have a Pizza Theory ...Im working on it


28 posted on 10/01/2005 5:21:18 AM PDT by woofie (Trying hard to become another Buckhead)
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To: woofie

string cheese ,etc


29 posted on 10/01/2005 5:22:24 AM PDT by woofie (Trying hard to become another Buckhead)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I'm "stuned"! :) (or is that "stoned"?)


30 posted on 10/01/2005 5:57:02 AM PDT by manwiththehands
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To: md2576

I like my theories shaken, not stirred.


31 posted on 10/01/2005 6:02:46 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: woofie

"I have a Pizza Theory ...Im working on it"

Sounds delicious!


32 posted on 10/01/2005 2:25:18 PM PDT by md2576 (You can't see the light when your DUnderground)
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To: Rapscallion

I'll be the first to admit quantum physics is out of my league right now.


33 posted on 10/01/2005 2:32:12 PM PDT by md2576 (You can't see the light when your DUnderground)
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To: RandallFlagg

Proton beams are already used in cancer therapy to destroy tumors.


34 posted on 10/02/2005 2:14:15 AM PDT by sumocide
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To: sumocide

I know. Still, protons wouldn't work because protons are a component of ordinary matter. What's needed is a component of antimatter -preferably a positron (an anti-electron)

The three components of matter: Proton, neutron and electron.

The three components of antimatter:
Antiproton, antineutron and positron.


35 posted on 10/02/2005 11:32:33 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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