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Border activist a wild card in Calif. election
Yahoo News/Reuters ^ | October 1, 2005 | Dan Whitcomb

Posted on 10/01/2005 6:30:23 PM PDT by SC33

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - When voters in one of California's most conservative congressional districts go to the polls on Tuesday, they will find a wild card on the ballot: The founder of the Minuteman movement, who has become a lightning rod in the furor over America's borders.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 48th; aliens; gilchrist; immigrantlist
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1 posted on 10/01/2005 6:30:26 PM PDT by SC33
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To: SC33

23 seconds.. wow

Im gonna ask admin to blow my thread up, Thanks!


2 posted on 10/01/2005 6:33:14 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

That was a close one!


3 posted on 10/01/2005 6:33:42 PM PDT by SC33
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To: SC33

whewwwiieee.. I'll say.. lol


4 posted on 10/01/2005 6:34:44 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
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5 posted on 10/01/2005 6:37:25 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SC33

In before its pulled !!!


6 posted on 10/01/2005 6:37:43 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Geezee Freepin Peezee ...)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hey, I was going to post "already posted 23 seconds before". Now I have to settle for just telling you that I was:-)
I am not in California, but, Gilchrist sounds like a winner to me.


7 posted on 10/01/2005 6:39:16 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
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To: SC33

LOL !!! Anyone know the story behind that "Stick it to Soros photo?"


8 posted on 10/01/2005 6:39:30 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Geezee Freepin Peezee ...)
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To: SC33

Article is WRONG.

Brewer is ALSO a Republican.

Real sloppy journalism; worse editing.


9 posted on 10/01/2005 6:40:08 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: NormsRevenge

It's highly unusual for a third-party candidate for anything to get national press. Gilchrest is a serious candidate.


10 posted on 10/01/2005 6:41:34 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Jeanine Pirro for Senate, Hillary Clinton for Weight Watchers Spokeswoman)
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To: NormsRevenge

What happens if Gilchrist splits the Republican vote?


11 posted on 10/01/2005 6:42:53 PM PDT by The Westerner
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To: SC33

We don't need to excerpt Reuters and Yahoo News.

Here is the full text:





Border activist a wild card in Calif. election
By Dan Whitcomb

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - When voters in one of California's most conservative congressional districts go to the polls on Tuesday, they will find a wild card on the ballot: The founder of the Minuteman movement, who has become a lightning rod in the furor over America's borders.

While Jim Gilchrist -- leader of a volunteer border patrol group once slammed as "vigilantes" by President George W. Bush -- is considered a long shot to win the special election to fill a seat vacated by Republican Christopher Cox, he has mined a deep vein of voter anger over illegal immigration.

"I have struck the mother lode of patriotism," Gilchrist told Reuters, referring to polls showing 80 percent of Californians were concerned about immigration.

Experts say that if Gilchrist is a one-issue candidate he has picked the right issue in California -- where immigration has long been the third rail of politics. Democrats have long been unwilling to alienate Hispanics and Republicans are seen as determined to appease businesses that depend on cheap immigrant labor.

"Gilchrist has the most emotional issue. A lot of people hate illegal immigration. And on that issue alone he is going to be able to motivate (voters)," said Republican political strategist Allan Hoffenblum. "There's a lot of frustration and nobody is coming up with any answers."

Gilchrist insists he is not a single-issue candidate: He says the latest wave of illegal immigrants has had a ruinous impact on every facet of life in California, overwhelming schools, bankrupting hospitals and threatening national security.

ONE-ISSUE RACE?

"I'm running for office to do the job that our Congress has deliberately refused to do: Protect our borders, our communities, our families and our pocketbooks," he said. "This is not one issue."

What makes the special election for the 48th District seat intriguing for Gilchrist is that -- with 17 names on an open primary-style ballot -- no candidate is expected to win more than 50 percent of the vote, setting up a runoff that would include the top candidate from each party.

That means that Gilchrist, an American Independent Party candidate, would make it into any runoff, presumably against the favorite, former Republican state Sen. John Campbell, and former Democratic state Assemblywoman Marilyn Brewer.

Brewer would hope that, in a runoff, Gilchrist and Campbell

would split the Republican vote.

"If its a runoff with Campbell, Gilchrist and Brewer then Gilchrist gets very interesting because he's the most conservative candidate (in a very conservative district)," Hoffenblum said. "But for him to win it would have to be in a runoff and even then it would be a major, major upset."

Gilchrist faces a formidable foe in Campbell, a conservative Republican who, as a wealthy entrepreneur from Newport Beach, is an easy fit in the mostly affluent neighborhoods of the Orange County district that tend to turn out for elections.

Campbell won the endorsement of California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and has also taken a strong stance against illegal immigration -- coming out against Bush's controversial "guest worker" program.

"We're on par to win the nomination with flying colors," Campbell campaign manager Jim Terry said. "It remains to be seen what kind of showing Jim Gilchrist is going to make. ... He's talked about one issue and this is a fairly sophisticated district."


12 posted on 10/01/2005 6:44:08 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: crazyhorse691

Yeah, Gilchrist is great, if you want to get a Democrat elected.

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"That means that Gilchrist, an American Independent Party candidate, would make it into any runoff, presumably against the favorite, former Republican state Sen. John Campbell, and former Democratic state Assemblywoman Marilyn Brewer.

Brewer would hope that, in a runoff, Gilchrist and Campbell
would split the Republican vote."


13 posted on 10/01/2005 6:46:33 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: The Westerner
What happens if Gilchrist splits the Republican vote?

Then the Republican Party will get the message that they are out of step with their base and they need to get on the right side of the issue, which means NO AMNESTIES, NO GUEST WORKER programs, and illegal immigration cut to NEAR ZERO.

Either that, or they suffer bitter primary races, split tickets with popular right wing independents, and conservative voters who stay home when another "go along to get along" RINO is up for a vote.

14 posted on 10/01/2005 6:48:00 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Regulator

I call voting for a RINO trying to "out democrat the democrats"


15 posted on 10/01/2005 6:51:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Regulator

If Gilchirst splits the R vote, a DEMOCRAT will get elected.

You can't rationalize away from that, unless you admit that you prefer an open border Democrat to a Republican -- and BTW Campbell is also against illegal immigration.

So I guess you do prefer a Democrat.


16 posted on 10/01/2005 6:52:02 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Clintonfatigued

The media is playing up Gilchirest, so he splits the R vote and get another Dem in.


17 posted on 10/01/2005 6:53:52 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

I like Gilchrist because he actually did something before he got elected. And I very well understand what you are saying and I end up voting republican. Let me cheer the underdog knowing that I have no vote to cast in this race. Maybe if this happened more a few Rhinos might actually get back to their conservative roots(hear me Sen. Gordon Smith R-oregon??)


18 posted on 10/01/2005 6:54:12 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
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To: crazyhorse691

Personally I don't think any of our elected officials should feel so secure in their power that can ignore the consituents and attempt to threaten us with the other guy.


19 posted on 10/01/2005 6:58:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Regulator
Then the Republican Party will get the message that they are out of step with their base and they need to get on the right side of the issue.

The message sent is that the GOP can't rely on the voters you mistakenly call the base. It is really just a small one issue portion of the base who would vote for Hiltlery if she promised to close the border. I hope CARepublican Party enjoys another rat representing them. I guess the CA GOP still has not gottten rid of enough RINOs. LOL.

20 posted on 10/01/2005 6:59:23 PM PDT by Once-Ler ("Our only hope is that Congress will continue to do what is does best... nothing." John Roberts)
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To: FairOpinion
and BTW Campbell is also against illegal immigration

He is? Has he led a campaign to secure the border, like Gilchrist? When he gets to Washington, will he pledge to oppose the President on Amnesty? Guest Workers (=amnesty)?

Nonsense. He's another "team player", going along with the Texas sellout crowd.

So a few dims get in, make life miserable for the sleaze crowd. Big Deal. Either the Republican party gets the message or they end up like the Democrats: alienated from their base, out of touch with Americans, headed for oblivion. New parties, and new faces, will take their place.

21 posted on 10/01/2005 7:08:12 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: FairOpinion
Yeah, Gilchrist is great, if you want to get a Democrat elected.

No, I want a conservative elected and Gilchrist is the only one there is. Campbell is an open borders guy.

This lame Republibot scare tactic is not going to work.

22 posted on 10/01/2005 7:09:02 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Once-Ler
Gosh, taking a break from your homework, teeny-bop?

Are you sure you have your mommy's permission to play with the computer?

23 posted on 10/01/2005 7:09:33 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: SC33

Gilchrist for Congress. Let's get a Constitutionalist in the House.


24 posted on 10/01/2005 7:10:38 PM PDT by TBP
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To: The Westerner
What happens if Gilchrist splits the Republican vote?

How would he do that? He's not a Republican. He's on the AIP.

25 posted on 10/01/2005 7:11:40 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Regulator

"Campbell won the endorsement of California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and has also taken a strong stance against illegal immigration -- coming out against Bush's controversial "guest worker" program. "

I guess you will be happier with an open border Democrat, because that's what you are going to get by voting for Gilchrest.


26 posted on 10/01/2005 7:11:47 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Campbell won the endorsement of California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and has also taken a strong stance against illegal immigration -- coming out against Bush's controversial "guest worker" program.

Okay, Campbell. Now we know you don't like the Bush plan. Tell us YOUR plan, and how it differs from Gilchrist's.

27 posted on 10/01/2005 7:15:43 PM PDT by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: SC33

Tuesday's election will only decide who wins each party for the December 6 general election, unless one candidate receives over 50% of the entire vote.

Gilchrist won't beat a Republican head-to-head on December 6 in the very conservative 48th District. Gilchrist's party platform has a liberal anti- Iraq War stance and this won't fly in this District which is predominantly Republican.

~Scott~


28 posted on 10/01/2005 7:16:08 PM PDT by jscottdavis_for_48th_district (J. SCOTT DAVIS http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jscottdavisfanclub DAVIS- HOLLYWOOD'S NEXT ACTION HERO)
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To: Regulator
Then the Republican Party will get the message that they are out of step with their base and they need to get on the right side of the issue, which means NO AMNESTIES, NO GUEST WORKER programs, and illegal immigration cut to NEAR ZERO.

Agree.

Enough of the Republican slap in the chops!

29 posted on 10/01/2005 7:19:55 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: TBP

Gilchrist is NO conservative. He is running on the American Independent Party ticket.

http://www.aipca.org/

Here is some stuff from their website:

"California and the nation need the leadership of the American Independent Party, California affiliate of the Constitution Party. We pledge to:

Stop the undeclared wars which are daily costing American lives and billions of tax dollars;"

And here is their platform:

http://www.aipca.org/platform.html

SECRECY IN GOVERNMENT

We are concerned that, in response to the so-called “war on terrorism,” Americans are giving up their civil liberties and rights of privacy, to a government being made all powerful; and that governmental powers, enlarged in the name of fighting terrorism, will be turned against
citizens with no connection to terrorism. The American Independent Party will be on guard to protect the people from such abuse by government of its powers.

The American Independent Party advocates more effective control by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) of the prices charged for energy by the interstate marketers, and by the Public Utilities Commission (PUC) of the prices charged by intrastate marketers and the rates charged consumers by the great utility monopolies. All sums charged to Californians which were not fair and reasonable must be repaid by the offending companies. The adhesion contracts entered into by the State with the energy pirates must be re-written to protect the consumers and taxpayers



30 posted on 10/01/2005 7:20:42 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
BTW Campbell is also against illegal immigration.

Yeah, right. And he was just "fooled into believing...".

Orange County Register. Santa Ana, Calif.: Mar 11, 2000. pg. B.05

He calls himself a "new California Republican," bucking the "moderate" and "conservative" titles assigned to party members.

"I'm not even sure I know what (moderate and conservative) mean sometimes," he said. "The minute you use those labels, people get an image."

Campbell favors school vouchers, but only in poor areas. He opposes abortion rights, but is not willing to create a law to ban them. And he says illegal immigrants should be given the same benefits as everyone else, since the federal government has not controlled the border to prevent the immigrants from coming in.

On local issues, Campbell...wants to make sure all schools receive the same amount of money and wants to ensure that the coastline stays clean.

Orange County Register. Santa Ana, Calif.: Aug 11, 2005

"[Campbell voted] in 2001 in favor of allowing undocumented residents who have been in California for a number of years to pay the state-resident fee at state universities."

"[He explained] Republicans who voted for the bill were fooled into believing it would only apply to people who were on the verge of being sworn in as citizens. Later, he said, they learned it would be applied to anyone who simply said he wanted to be an American."


31 posted on 10/01/2005 7:55:33 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: truth_seeker

I emailed the Reuters editor last night to correct them. As of tonight, they still hadn't corrected it. The sloppiest part is them indicating there could be a runoff that includes both Campbell and Brewer. Very sloppy, indeed.


32 posted on 10/01/2005 7:59:53 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Intereesting stuff about Campbell! Thanks.

Well, I won't be voting in that election, but I will follow it and see who wins. There are several Democrats and Republicans running.

I still don't like Gilchirst, a candidate of the American Independent Party, minutemen or not.


33 posted on 10/01/2005 8:02:23 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Why aren't you railing against Brewer(R) splitting the Republican vote?
She and Campbell(R) are both on the ticket.


34 posted on 10/01/2005 8:02:36 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
Bless you for posting that.

Reinforces my impression of the guy: trying to straddle the issues, and not take any real stand.

Standard issue brand name politics, not what we need now.

35 posted on 10/01/2005 8:08:46 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: calcowgirl

I don't know anything about the candidates.

Gilchrest isn't even a Republican, it's a third party, single issue candidate.


36 posted on 10/01/2005 8:14:21 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Regulator

You're welcome.


37 posted on 10/01/2005 8:14:50 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: FairOpinion

After seeing for many years that the letter next to ones name does not indicate what principles they hold true, I think one needs to look further than (R) and (D). After reading about Gilchrist, his beliefs and his platform, I find he is more of a Republican than the other two, in my book, no matter what letter he has by his name. I honestly don't know why Brewer doesn't just own up and put a (D) next to her name.

I'm also not in this district--just watching.


38 posted on 10/01/2005 8:17:46 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: FairOpinion
"It remains to be seen what kind of showing Jim Gilchrist is going to make. ... He's talked about one issue and this is a fairly sophisticated district."

http://www.jimgilchrist.com/issues.php

On average, the government consumes 50.4% of the income of every taxpayer. This means that in more than half of your work days, you are working solely to fund the government.

Much of your tax money, of course, is wasted. This year, Congress bloated the budget with 14,000 new "pork" projects, compared to 1,400 a decade ago. To cover these unnecessary expenses, Congress has nearly tripled pork-barrel spending, from $10 billion in 1995 to an unprecedented $27.3 billion in 2005.

Politicians treat your hard-earned money like an endless cash flow from a communal spigot. They can hardly resist the temptation to sprinkle the money around. Even when they approve budget caps, somehow more dollars manage to drip out of that leaky faucet for more pet projects.

And the real, Constitutional duties of the federal government, limited and essential as they are -- like securing our national borders against foreign invasion, and protecting America's national sovereignty against foreign subversion -- get pushed aside in the floodtide of pork-barrel expenditures.

Government spending needs a shut-off valve!

I believe our elected officials have forgotten what it means to be accountable to the people, and to adhere to the standards of responsible self-government. The federal government has grown to towering levels, well beyond the control of everyday citizens. The more it grows, the less responsible it becomes. Government serves best when it is closer to the people.

Republican Party leadership, those of my old political party, are acting little different than the "tax-and-spend" liberals of the Democrat Party. Bill Clinton once said that "the era of big government is over." Unfortunately, in the nine years since this declaration, the opposite has been true. Federal spending on the whole is rapidly increasing, and now has reached its fastest growth rate in 30 years. The 2004 fiscal year gave us the largest budget deficit in U.S. history: $520 billion. This year, Congress spent $22,039 per household, but will recover only $18,248 per household in taxes. The remaining $3,791 will be saddled on the backs of our children to pay in debt, plus interest. By the end of 2005, our national debt will likely reach $8 trillion. That's a debt increase of $1 trillion in just two years.

Much of the federal spending increases are for corporate welfare, farm subsidies, medical research, education, unemployment benefits, and numerous low-priority programs. Combined, these add more to the budget than national defense.

We need to cut government largesse, eliminate waste, rethink programs, improve bureaucratic efficiency, and carve the federal government down to a manageable -- and constitutionally authorized -- size. Only then will it truly be responsive to citizens.

It's your government spending your tax money. Isn't it about time Congress remembered that?

As a moral conservative, I stand firmly on the words of the Declaration of Independence in defending the right to life. I do so proudly, without equivocation or exception.

According to the Declaration, there can be no right to abortion, since abortion means denying the most fundamental of rights to human offspring in the womb. The Declaration states plainly that we are all created equal, endowed by our Creator with our basic human rights, including the right to life.

If human beings -- whether legislative bodies, courts, mothers, or anyone else -- can choose who is human and who is not, the doctrine of God-given rights upon which rests all the rule of law is utterly corrupted. We then become a nation governed by the arbitrary rule of those with privilege and power.

There can be no question that abortion is the unjust taking of an innocent human life -- and thus a breach of the fundamental principles of human equality and justice enshrined in our public moral creed and our Republic's most respected institutions.

Some people talk about "viability" as a test to determine which human offspring have rights that we must respect, and which do not. But might does not make right. So the mere fact that the person in the womb is wholly in its mother's physical power, and thus completely dependent upon her for sustenance, gives her no right whatsoever to extinguish that human life, since the mere possession of physical power can never confer such a right to kill.

Medical procedures deliberately resulting in the death of the unborn child are therefore impermissible. Medical intervention to save the mother's physical life that has the unintended consequence of failing to also save her unborn child is not abortion, per se, but rather a human tragedy.

Not only does the Founding philosophy of our great nation preclude us as a society from destroying innocent human life, but it also precludes us from engaging in embryonic stem cell experimentation, and other medical technology practices that violate the dignity and humanity of life at its earliest, most vulnerable stages.

As for the so-called "right to suicide," and related practices such as euthanasia: whatever emotional arguments may be made to defend such practices, they represent a violation of the principles of the Declaration of Independence, and for that reason alone I reject them.

Our rights, including the right to life, are unalienable. If we intentionally kill ourselves or consent to allow another to do so, we both destroy and surrender our right to life. We act unjustly. We usurp the power that belongs solely to the Creator, and deny the basis of our claim to human rights.

Yep, sounds like a single-issue candidate to me. These "moderate" RINOs will say anything to get elected.

39 posted on 10/01/2005 8:23:53 PM PDT by TBP
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To: FairOpinion
Gilchrist is NO conservative.

The same specious argument as that phony "candidate" whom we ran out of here.

The fact is that Jim Gilchrist is the only significant conservative running.

40 posted on 10/01/2005 8:26:29 PM PDT by TBP
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To: FairOpinion

Campbell is for open borders. Don't let his election-year semi-conversion fool you. If he gets elected, he'll be a get-along, go-along Republibot. He'll even vote for the guest worker plan once the leadership tells him to.


41 posted on 10/01/2005 8:36:15 PM PDT by TBP
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To: FairOpinion

Your Post #22: "Gilchrist is NO conservative"
Your Post #34: "I don't know anything about the candidates. "

Thank you for clarifying.


42 posted on 10/01/2005 8:38:43 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: LexBaird
Campbell won the endorsement of California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger

And Gilchrist won the endorsements of Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.) and Alan Keyes.

43 posted on 10/01/2005 8:39:14 PM PDT by TBP
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To: jscottdavis_for_48th_district
Gilchrist's party platform has a liberal anti- Iraq War stance and this won't fly in this District which is predominantly Republican.

I wish you GOP operatives would get your story striaght. Gilchrist has said that we are there and should finish the job, that we must fight the war to victory. But hey, don't let that deter you from your Republibot work.

44 posted on 10/01/2005 8:41:18 PM PDT by TBP
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To: FairOpinion
We are concerned that, in response to the so-called “war on terrorism,” Americans are giving up their civil liberties and rights of privacy, to a government being made all powerful; and that governmental powers, enlarged in the name of fighting terrorism, will be turned against citizens with no connection to terrorism.

I am concerned about this too. Aren't you?

The government sure did vote itself a lot of new power after 9/11. I don't think this Administration would abuse the law that way, but what happens if Hitlery is the next President? Then you and the other Republibots will be agreeing with everything that the AIP platform is saying here.

45 posted on 10/01/2005 8:46:32 PM PDT by TBP
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To: calcowgirl

There you go taking things out of context, again.

I know that Gilchrist is running as a candidate of the American Independent Party, which is plenty proof that he is not a conservative, but a troublemaker.


46 posted on 10/01/2005 8:46:35 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: TBP

Snesible precaustions are NOT "taking away our civil liberties".

How come the very same people who are so concerned about the civil liberties of the terrorists, show no concern about laws, where the government is in everyone's house, telling you what to do, such as forcing you to buy water saving toilets and showers? Is that the government's business?


47 posted on 10/01/2005 8:50:01 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: calcowgirl
Campbell favors school vouchers, but only in poor areas. He opposes abortion rights, but is not willing to create a law to ban them. And he says illegal immigrants should be given the same benefits as everyone else, since the federal government has not controlled the border to prevent the immigrants from coming in.

"[Campbell voted] in 2001 in favor of allowing undocumented residents who have been in California for a number of years to pay the state-resident fee at state universities."

And both citations from the Orange County Register. Good work. As we have said, Campbell is an open-borders RINO. The candidate in the tradition of Reagan and Chris Cox is Jim Gilchrist.

48 posted on 10/01/2005 8:51:09 PM PDT by TBP
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To: FairOpinion
How come the very same people who are so concerned about the civil liberties of the terrorists, show no concern about laws, where the government is in everyone's house, telling you what to do, such as forcing you to buy water saving toilets and showers? Is that the government's business?

No, none of that is the government's business.

Are you Republibots even capable of thinking for yourselves? Real FReepers are capable and do so all the time.

49 posted on 10/01/2005 8:52:46 PM PDT by TBP
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To: calcowgirl
Why aren't you railing against Brewer(R) splitting the Republican vote?

You know why: becaue he's a Republibot, maybe even a Campbell operative.

50 posted on 10/01/2005 9:03:39 PM PDT by TBP
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