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After the love (for Bill) is gone - THE WAY WE WERE (The left still crying over Clinton-Gore)
Houston Chronicle ^ | Oct. 1, 2005, 6:57PM | By NORA EPHRON

Posted on 10/02/2005 9:33:36 AM PDT by weegee

After the love (for Bill) is gone THE WAY WE WERE Writer recalls the betrayal that ended their political affair

I BROKE up with Bill a long time ago. It's always hard to remember love — years pass and you say to yourself, was I really in love or was I just kidding myself? Was I really in love or was I just pretending he was the man of my dreams? Was I really in love or was I just desperate? But when it came to Bill, I'm pretty sure it was the real deal. I loved the guy.

As for Bill, I have to be honest: He did not love me. In fact, I never even crossed his mind. Not once. But in the beginning that didn't stop me. I loved him, I believed in him, and I didn't even think he was a liar. Of course, I knew he'd lied about his thing with Gennifer, but at the time I believed that lies of that sort didn't count. How stupid was that?

Anyway, I fell out of love with Bill early in the game — over gays in the military. That was in 1993, after he was inaugurated, and at that moment my heart turned to stone. People use that expression and mean it metaphorically, but if your heart can turn to stone and not have it be metaphorical, that's how stony my heart was where Bill was concerned.

I'd had faith in him. I'd been positive he'd never back down. How could he? But then he did, he backed down just like that. He turned out to be just like the others. So that was it. Goodbye, big guy. I'm out of here. Don't even think about calling. And by the way, if your phone rings and your wife answers and the caller hangs up, don't think it's me because it's not.

By the time Bill got involved with Monica, you'd have thought I was past being hurt by him. You'd have thought I'd have shrugged and said, I told you so, you can't trust the guy as far as you can spit. But much to my surprise, Bill broke my heart all over again. I couldn't believe how betrayed I felt. He'd had it all, he'd had everything, and he'd thrown it away, and here's the thing: It wasn't his to throw away. It was ours. We'd given it to him, and he'd squandered it.

Years passed. I'd sit around with friends at dinner talking about How We Got Here and Whose Fault Was It? Was it Nader's fault? Or Gore's? Or Scalia's? Even Monica got onto the list, because after all, she delivered the pizza, and that pizza was truly the beginning of the end.

Most of my friends had a hard time narrowing it down to a choice, but not me: Only one person was at fault, and it was Bill. I drew a straight line from that pizza to the war. The way I saw it, if Bill had behaved, Al would have been elected, and thousands and thousands of people would be alive today who are instead dead.

I bring all this up because I bumped into Bill the other day. I was watching the Sunday news programs, and there he was. I have to say, he looked good. And he was succinct, none of that wordy blah-blah thing that used to drive me nuts. He'd invited a whole bunch of people to a conference in New York and they'd spent the week talking about global warming, and poverty, and all sorts of obscure places he knows a huge amount about.

When Bill described the conference, it was riveting. I could see how much he cared; and of course, I could see how smart he was. It was so refreshing. It was practically moving. To my amazement, I could even see why I'd loved the guy in the first place. It made me sadder than I can say. It's much easier to get over someone if you can delude yourself into thinking you never really cared that much.

Then, later in the week, I was reading about Bill's conference, and I came upon something that made me think, for just a moment, that Bill might even want me back. "I've reached an age now where it doesn't matter whatever happens to me," he said. "I just don't want anyone to die before their time any more." It almost really got to me. But then I came to my senses. And instead I just wanted to pick up the phone and call him and say, if you genuinely believe that, you hypocrite, why don't you stand up and take a position against this war?

But I'm not calling. I haven't called in years and I'm not starting now.

Ephron, based in New York, is a writer and director.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arkansas; US: District of Columbia; US: New York
KEYWORDS: activistactors; billclinton; bushhasser; callawaaambulance; clinton; clintonlegacy; clintonscandals; ephron; gore; iraqwar; kneepadbrigade; liberalelites; liberalwetdream; lyingliar; monica; noraephron; shutupandsing; wariniraq; wariniraw

1 posted on 10/02/2005 9:33:41 AM PDT by weegee
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To: weegee

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001188/

Writer - filmography
(2000s) (1990s) (1980s) (1970s)

Bewitched (2005) (written by)
Hanging Up (2000) (screenplay)
... aka Aufgelegt! (Germany)
You've Got Mail (1998) (screenplay)
Michael (1996) (screenplay)
Mixed Nuts (1994) (screenplay)
... aka Lifesavers
Sleepless in Seattle (1993) (screenplay)
This Is My Life (1992) (screenplay)
My Blue Heaven (1990) (written by)
Cookie (1989) (written by)
When Harry Met Sally... (1989) (written by)
Heartburn (1986) (also novel)
Silkwood (1983)
Perfect Gentlemen (1978) (TV)
"Adam's Rib" (1973) TV Series



Producer - filmography
(2000s) (1990s) (1980s)

Lucky Numbers (2000) (producer)
... aka Bon numéro, Le (France)
Hanging Up (2000) (producer)
... aka Aufgelegt! (Germany)
You've Got Mail (1998) (producer)
Strike! (1998) (executive producer)
... aka The Hairy Bird (Australia) (Canada: English title: working title)
... aka All I Wanna Do (USA: new title)
... aka College femminile (Italy)
... aka Filles font la loi, Les (Canada: French title)
Michael (1996) (producer)
My Blue Heaven (1990) (executive producer)
Cookie (1989) (executive producer)
When Harry Met Sally... (1989) (associate producer)




Director - filmography
(2000s) (1990s)

Bewitched (2005)
Lucky Numbers (2000)
... aka Bon numéro, Le (France)
You've Got Mail (1998)
Michael (1996)
Mixed Nuts (1994)
... aka Lifesavers
Sleepless in Seattle (1993)
This Is My Life (1992)


2 posted on 10/02/2005 9:37:32 AM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: weegee

I think this is a repost. However, it wouldn't surprise me if more than one liberal is crying like this.


3 posted on 10/02/2005 9:38:25 AM PDT by Luircin (Conservatives want to turn losers into winners. Liberals want them to feel good about being losers.)
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To: weegee

This article could be detrimental to the health of your eyes. Ephron-- ugh!


4 posted on 10/02/2005 9:38:49 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: weegee
Nora Ephron??????

I pass on her movie drivel and I'll pass on her editorials too!

5 posted on 10/02/2005 9:39:23 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Luircin

Written while on her knees!


6 posted on 10/02/2005 9:39:27 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: weegee

It must hurt to be a liberal


7 posted on 10/02/2005 9:42:36 AM PDT by woofie (Trying hard to become another Buckhead)
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To: weegee

Ephron is an empty-headed idiot who still refuses to see Clinton for what he is.


8 posted on 10/02/2005 9:44:36 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: woofie
It must hurt to be a liberal

It must hurt to be as stupid as the writer of that piece. I can't believe that people like that actually exist.
9 posted on 10/02/2005 9:47:31 AM PDT by adorno
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To: weegee

"Anyway, I fell out of love with Bill early in the game — over gays in the military. That was in 1993, after he was inaugurated, and at that moment my heart turned to stone."

I hear this and I don't get it - Didn't people who feel like this listen as Clinton was running for President?


10 posted on 10/02/2005 9:47:50 AM PDT by gondramB ( We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.)
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To: weegee
"I've reached an age now where it doesn't matter whatever happens to me,"

Baloney. It will ALWAYS be about Bill Clinton to Bill Clinton.

In her movie and book Hearburn there was a wonderful scene that described Bill Clinton's sycophants.

Ephron wrote the book after her then husband, Carl Bernstein, had an affair with the wife of one of the ambassadors to the United States (British, I think). (A hilarous book, if you like to read.)

While in counseling, she told the shrink she wanted him back; the psychiatrist said, "Well, you're doing much better; last week you wanted him dead."

To which she responded, "I want him back, but I want him back dead."

11 posted on 10/02/2005 9:48:38 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: gondramB
She's an idiot lib who fell for the I-feel-your-pain-lip-biting-faux sincerity. And as a Hollywod tpye she should know that once one can fake sincerity, they've got it made!

Now's she just mad at Clintoon for where we are today, conveniently ignoring the fact that we are engaged in a war with 7TH-century fascists who would consider slitting her throat an act that their God enthusiastically supports! In her mind, if Clinton had stood up for the gays in the military position, the Islama-whackos would have no beef with us!

What can you expect from someone who was once married to Carl Bernstein???

12 posted on 10/02/2005 9:54:30 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: weegee
The way I saw it, if Bill had behaved, Al would have been elected, and thousands and thousands of people would be alive today who are instead dead.

Well she's sorta right. Thousands of people would have died due to 9/11 no matter who was President, but under Gore, no soldiers would, because Gore would have immediately surrendered, and her incredibly untalented ass (see Bewitched to find out how that mind works) would be in a Burka living in the United States of Allahland!

13 posted on 10/02/2005 9:58:13 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: weegee

Little Willie, will he? No. He won't go home.
He's still workin' on that legacy, Like Carter: both still "makin' friends."

Here's some primary authority
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/784426/posts
Tai-Chung


14 posted on 10/02/2005 10:02:09 AM PDT by tumblindice (They really stink, man. No man, I mean they really smell bad . . . bummer!)
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To: weegee
The way I saw it, if Bill had behaved, Al would have been elected, and thousands and thousands of people would be alive today who are instead dead.

Huh? What people are those? The WTC victims? I think that still would have happened with *gag* president Algore *gag*. Plus, in that alternate world, if Algore had not taken decisive action as President Bush did, we could have a lot more dead now than we really do. And I suppose the thousands of Iraqis who are probably alive today thanks to our removal of their murderous dictator don't mean squat to Ms. Ephron.

15 posted on 10/02/2005 10:02:40 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: weegee
The way I saw it, if Bill had behaved, Al would have been elected, and thousands and thousands of people would be alive today who are instead dead

What does that even mean? You mean that Atta and AQ would have never flown those planes into the Twin Trade Towers, the Pentagon, and the Pennsylvania dirt?

16 posted on 10/02/2005 10:04:11 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: weegee

Another female, liberal writer who needs to get laid.


17 posted on 10/02/2005 10:06:35 AM PDT by GungaLaGunga
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To: Rummyfan
A reminder of the Clinton Years:

Thousands and thousands would still be alive if Gore had succeeded Bubba into the White House. Not very likely.

18 posted on 10/02/2005 10:06:40 AM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: weegee
Ephron, based in New York, is a writer and director.

Just another easily swayed sheeple.....

IMO

19 posted on 10/02/2005 10:10:09 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Why does John McCain always look like a mule eating cockleburs?)
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To: weegee

Let's get this straight. The ONLY reason Nora Ephron doesn't love bill clinton is that he failed to impose open homosexuality on the military.

But now she's prepared to forgive him, even for that.


20 posted on 10/02/2005 10:15:21 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: weegee

-But then I came to my senses.-

Um...that can be refuted just by reading the article. No wonder lefty's "self esteem" programs never work; they have no experience of it in natural form.


21 posted on 10/02/2005 10:27:00 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: Rummyfan
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"That's okay. I still love him."
22 posted on 10/02/2005 10:39:17 AM PDT by Old Seadog (Birthdays start out being fun. But too many of them will kill you..)
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To: weegee
Only a looney broad liberal like this would see a serial adulterer and narcissistic President as a "lover."

It's even more ridiculous for this dingbat to consider Al Gore anyone to be trusted with leadership.

I don't want neurotic and childish people like this having a say in how serious political and military decisions are made.

These people are so different from the sane and mature folks in our camp, it is really scary they are allowed to vote.

It's like handing a loaded pistol to a pre-schooler.

23 posted on 10/02/2005 10:50:59 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

It just again proves that liberalism is a mental disorder.


24 posted on 10/02/2005 12:51:38 PM PDT by Digger (Outsource CONgress)
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To: weegee
Bill just wasn't liberal ENOUGH for Nora and her ilk.

The war, she's talking about the war in Iraq. As if leftists ever cared about soldiers.

I need no further reassurance that we will not only win in Iraq, but winning there represents the defeat of the American fifth-column within.

They see it; why can't we?

25 posted on 10/02/2005 3:08:08 PM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: weegee

Isn't Nora Ephron Carl Bernstein's EX-wife?? Didn't he cheat like hell on her? She sounds pitiful...like a little teeny bopper trying to find a date.


26 posted on 10/02/2005 9:00:23 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cicero

Yes.....She's mad that he didn't get the gays in the military OPENLY like he wanted!!! Is she gay? Is Carl Bernstein gay? Is her daughter gay? Why do so many seemingly straight people want OPNELY GAY people in the military??? Do they NOT think of what that would mean in the barracks and on the field and everywhere else? Geesh.


27 posted on 10/02/2005 9:05:38 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy
She sounds pitiful...like a little teeny bopper trying to find a date.

Nora Ephron is, most assuredly, not, ah, "little".

28 posted on 10/02/2005 9:18:45 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: weegee
....... I could see how smart he was. It was so refreshing. It was practically moving. To my amazement, I could even see why I'd loved the guy in the first place. It made me sadder than I can say. It's much easier to get over someone if you can delude yourself into thinking you never really cared that much.

"It's much easier to get over someone if you can delude yourself into thinking you never really cared that much." ----

very true.

29 posted on 10/03/2005 12:29:47 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: beyond the sea

One interesting conclusion I draw from the article is that Bill's popularity is not what it was, and it probably won't transfer to Hillary.


30 posted on 10/03/2005 12:39:42 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Miss Marple
Bill's popularity is not what it was, and it probably won't transfer to Hillary.

Let's hope. But I still have great fear of the ability of the old media to rebuild Bill and portray Hillary as all-wonderful. It started in 1969 at Wellesley after all.

***

By the way...... you never answered my somewhat silly question from a couple of weeks ago: Are you related to Margaret Rutherford?

;-)

31 posted on 10/03/2005 12:44:50 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: beyond the sea

LOL! I thought I had. No...I am a long-time fan of the Agatha Christie books, and when I joined back in 1998, we were all doing detective work on Clinton's many scandals...hence the name.


32 posted on 10/03/2005 12:56:55 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Miss Marple; Cats Pajamas
No...I am a long-time fan of the Agatha Christie books, and when I joined back in 1998, we were all doing detective work on Clinton's many scandals...hence the name.

'Miss Marple'........ one of the best and most meaningful screen names on the site.

Some day I'll make a list of my favorites, but yours is great. 'Cats Pajamas' is a good one, but there are so many.

Gotta get out of here now, go out in the nursery in this early morning cool mist (here in Pittsburgh), and feed some plants.

Take care.

33 posted on 10/03/2005 1:07:42 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: Miss Marple


It was okay to lie to us and over time liberals are learning that bill was lying to them and not us, we all knew him for what he was.


34 posted on 10/03/2005 1:14:38 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Stupidty kills, but not fast enought)
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